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Why are AJ and Meadow in the show so much?


They're almost as odious sometimes as the actual criminals.

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One of the hooks to The Sopranos was its analogy to "real life families." Tony's a mob man in life or death situations all the time, and he's a killer...but he and Carmela are trying to maintain a modicum of "real life suburban nuclear family" even as he's a killer and she lives off "the blood money."

In real life, many men(and women of course) leave their homes each day to compete in "legit" but still brutal businesses that require a lot of fighting and competition and ruthless meanness. And then they have to come home and act like loving parents. The Sopranos held up a mirror to that fact with this "extreme version."

And that's where Meadow and AJ come in. She's the pampered, spoiled , tempermental princess; he's the blank-faced, rather dense, holed-up-in-his room sullen boy-teen. THOSE exist in real life too, but here, the issue is: in their hearts, they know their father is a killer and their mother is complicit, and they know they are trapped in that reality("You can't choose your parents.") And so we watch, season by season, as the two kids grow into young adults who know the score: they are mob kids, maybe they get out, maybe they don't. At series end, it looks like Meadow -- the smart one -- is going to get "Married to the mob." AJ remains clueless and deluded.

And if Tony WAS killed...those kids are gonna be lost.

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Because what made the show so intriguing was that we saw a violent mob boss try and balance his suburban family life with his life of crime. Same way we saw Walter White try and balance his family life with his life of being a meth king pin. Both shows wouldn't be nearly as good if we only saw them committing crimes and never got any of their normal day to day family lifes.

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I love that idea. Unfortunately, the thespians tasked with essaying Tony's brood were not up to it.

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I hated all of the AJ stuff. I was praying someone would whack him.

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AJ was a massively hateable kid. Meadow was spoiled and delusional about her Mafia roots, too, but at least she was intelligent and committed to getting educated and succeeding on her own.

Meanwhile AJ was always "dreaming of greatness." With his entry level job at a pizza parlor, AJ would soon own several stores, he told his pretty near-fiancé Blanca(who figured out pretty fast, this was a kid not a man, she was dating.) He assumed he get into Officer's Training School, learn Arabic, be a war hero and get a postwar job "flying helicopters for Trump."

Aside from his delusional side, AJ was a punk -- a tough Mafia boss's son who could only stand by and egg on other, tougher teen boys when THEY beat up their victims.

Aside from his punk side, AJ was a crybaby. How often in the final episodes he reverted to a mewling crybaby was simply disgusting to watch. For Tony Soprano, AJ was really "God's revenge on a tough guy."

Aside from his crybaby side, AJ was an antisocial poseur, who would always berate his parents for their stupidity in matters of world politics and environmentalism -- an interesting critique of people who strike that pose.

Since I've always believed that Tony WAS killed in that restaurant(you don't stage a dramatic scene about "nothing happens"), I figure that AJ eventually got what was coming to him. With the strong Tony gone from his life, AJ would become the Mama's Boy prisoner of Carmela as her world collapsed around her and money disappeared. Meadow could break loose and push on with her career. But there would be no hope for AJ.

PS. Interesting sidenote: AJ sure got the gorgeous girlfriends, usually rich, sometimes with mental problems, always interested in "slumming with a gangster's son."



PPS.

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PPS. You've got to hand it to Robert Iler: no actor or actress in the entire Sopranos run CHANGED so much physically from season to season. Starting the series as a very obese little boy, Iler slimmed down to skeletal and developed a handsome, haunted face that looked much like he could be the son of Tony and Carmela. In addition to getting skinny over the course of the series, Iler kept changing his haircut and facial hair and thus his "outward personality." Near the end, he went from a wispy , girlish longhair period to a short cut with beard almost-a-tough-guy look.

Good work from Iler. You wouldn't have hated AJ so much if Iler had not have been so good.

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Great breakdown of AJ’s many faults. I agree that Robert Iler did really good work there.

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At least no one here is defending Jamie Lynn Sigler's god-awful work. Why Chase didn't write her out of the show, and spare us her amateurishness, is beyond me.

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At least no one here is defending Jamie Lynn Sigler's god-awful work. Why Chase didn't write her out of the show, and spare us her amateurish work, is beyond me.

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Well, Chase seems to have had a certain amount of loyalty to the entire cast over the run of the series. For instance, he kept most of the main characters alive(and thus working) until the last few episodes of the series.

I gather you don't care too much for the acting of either those playing Meadow or AJ. I'm rather drawn to Robert Iler's work as AJ because he just changed so damn much physically over the series' run, and AJ was rather specifically written to be a pathetic yet enraging character -- Tony's only male son, and doomed not to live up to any of Tony's macho toughness OR brainy military strategy-making. AJ was the kind of kid who simply loses, being born into the Mafia. I feel that Iler captured this pretty darn well.

However: it doesn't look like Iler managed to get many roles after The Sopranos. I assume he has retired from acting.

To the original question way "up-thread," I must admit that I didn't much ever enjoy "detours to Meadow and AJ" from the main Mafia negotiations and hits. But the series felt the need to explore the extent to which a ranking mob boss could even try to integrate a sense of "regular family life" into his operations, and once that storyline began, they never could really drop it, either for Meadow or AJ. They had to have their scenes. They were also windows into Tony(his not-bad aptitude at fathering, his love of Meadow, and lack of physical assaults on AJ, most of the time) and Carmella(raising two major brats, she simply coddled and coddled and coddled them, in alignment with her own delusions about the man who was supporting her family.)

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The clue is in the title of the show.

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Touche.


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I feel that many people that hate AJ and Meadow might be missing what the show wanted to show with those characters.

Tony and Carmela raised them with extremely conflicting values. On one hand, they wanted them to be good, law abiding Christian citizens. But at the same time, Tony was a psychopathic killer that breaks many laws on a daily basis.

This conflict of values and hypocrisy led them to have serious issues. Meadow suffered Jackie Jr.’s death, who, in the long run, was a victim of his environment.

AJ was a very sensitive boy. You can see it with his existentialism phase. Knowing that his father is a mob boss and a killer is too much for him.

In short, in order to properly raise his kids, Tony had to make a choice. Retire from the mob and become a civilian or integrate his kids to his life. By doing both, he hurt his children.

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Because the show needed innocents. Mobsters live by the gun and usually die by the gun, they have it coming, but Meadow and AJ (and to an extent Carmela) don’t, so there’s a constant tension that they might end up as collateral damage for Tony’s sins.

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Well at least with Meadow, she wasn't on very much after the first two episodes of season 4.

AJ on the other hand.... ughhhhhh. Seriously 4 out of the last 5 season finales tried to make it seem like he had finally turned a corner and was going to start becoming more responsible. But in the end he was just always going to be a giant man-boy.

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Yes AJ really became annoying, I have no idea what they were trying to do with his character. from season 1 he was a pre teen who talked a lot like a kid

Season 2 he HARDLY had a word of dialog after the first few episode. then he just became a lying whinger teenager who only had a few lines.

I think they were trying to set him up as trying to be just like his father by season 5 and 6 but then it led to nowhere which really was frustrating, by season 6 I would have loved to see him whack someone. and start to become like his father.

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The appeal of the show is that Tony has 2 different lives. He is a loving father who spoiled his kids(Never beats them either) while he is also a brutal Mafia boss. It is the constant comparison and contrast of those 2 things.

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FYI the 2 actors Robert Iler and Jamie-Lynn Sigler were making $185,000 an episode at their peak.

The writers and producers obviously saw them as essential.

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