Is our world a simulation?


I think yes.What do u think?

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Please elaborate on why you think that it is.

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if it is can someone please program me a few million $ in the bank and a gigantic.....

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i second that. i also want a blond with big breasts and long legs.

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Nine inches?! Go for 12 atleast!

Movie buff, ya right who watches TV anymore

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12 inches would kill the girl mAN! 9 inches is fockin long. Go look at a ruler n see for urself lol. the most i can see is 7 maybe 7 n half but if urs is that long.. u wouldn't even put more than half of it in becuz u might kill that girl.

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I loved that analysis...

"Did I leave the gas on? No, I´m a @#¤%ing squirrel!"

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worst thread ever

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm2339870/

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seconding this

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No, but it is an interesting paradox. Quantum Mechanics very much describes matter in the way a Computer Program works. Instead of having to compute every last orbit of everysingle electron, etc. Quantum mechanics just comes up with a formula of probability that describes everysingle atom. It's like when you send an elaborate Word Document with graphics, etc. and it is only a few kilobytes compared the a megabyte file of a simple photo. You don't send the image of the document, you send a few thousand morse code like instructions for the Word program on the computer recieving the file to compose the elaborate image on your monitor. Sort of like ordering fetucine Alfredo at an Italian Restaurant. When you tell the waiter your order the waitress doesn't start writing down: "8oz pasta, 1 cup of cream, 1 teaspoon pepper, 1 teaspoon salt...) and so on. They simply write the name of what you want and the cook opens up the recipe book and does the rest. Quantum mechanics just applies a general probability that describes how all subatomic particles work and a computer program can use that same short formula to dictate how all matter in such a virtual world would be constructed. Even though I do not believe we are a simulation, it is a fascinating thought experiment. Perhaps the way the coherrent Newtonian nature of reality breaks down into the bizarre Quantum world when reality is probed deep enough could be seen as signs of the virtual world breaking out of it's reality similar to the way the cacti gave way to green grid lines when the characters drove to far out of town in the movie.

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you lost me at 8oz. pasta

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Some very powerful inferences.
Consider unlikely people like Adolf Hitler or Bill Gates.
Consider music and language prodigies.
If the world is a simulation, nothing describes it
better than Hindu Theology.

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I think its entirely possible, what's a world without pain and suffering.

It's how we learn, adapt, evolve.

We could be god's test run before he creates the proper thing, that way he has all the bugs ironed out before he generates the real world.

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The question isn't if the world is a simulation. This is another way to express the old hindu concept of 'maya', that is a illusion. There is a plenty of movies that focus on this same thing eg Matrix, eXistenZ, Vanila Sky, Dark City.
We can find good points in serious books dealing with oriental philosophy.

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what eternal conflict says is kinda true maybe it is just a test run n our *beep* is just a bug!
also what someone said about 'second life' later in this thread is true but it can be a simulation within a simulation, if you look throughout nature u always find fragmental geometry whereby the more u zoom in the more it repeats itself ad infintum.. so basically we could in a simulation within a simulation within a simulation and so on

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If God is all knowing he would not need a test bed....

You Have a Hard Lip, Herbert..

Better Living Thru Chemistry

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No. Our world is real.

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Baudrillard argues that a simulacrum is not a copy of the real, but becomes truth in its own right: the hyperreal. Where Plato saw two steps of reproduction — faithful and intentionally distorted (simulacrum) — Baudrillard sees four: (1) basic reflection of reality, (2) perversion of reality; (3) pretence of reality (where there is no model); and (4) simulacrum, which “bears no relation to any reality whatsoever.” The concept of god is a good example. Millions of rationale people believe in god-even though it is a concept which holds value because it has been said to. It dosent hold any value in -itself. The counterfeit-everything is a copy of something that existed before-but isn't a true copy.
"people or objects appearing to stand for a real referent (for instance, royalty, nobility, holiness, etc.) that does not exist".
I struggle still to totally understand him-but with the increase of things like 2nd life, and other SIM games(its in the name )some people are more involved in their counterfeit version of themselves-the online them-apposed to the real-

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Maybe. I hope not.

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Why do you think you experience Deja Vu?

"Something is about to happen. Something very wonderful."

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Didn't you just say that

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Didn't you just say that.

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No, you remembered the future.

Deja Vu (2006) Val Kilmer
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453467/

"Something is about to happen. Something very wonderful."

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what's easier:

building a time machine/faster then light spaceship and exploring the galaxy OR
simulating the galaxy inside a computer, 'jacking' yourself in and exploring it that way?

i'm going to have to go for the second option, so it's highly likely some very clever intelligence has created loads of these simulations, and is using them to explore the galaxy. Statistically it is more likey we are in a simulation then in 'real life'.

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The whole purpose of a good simulation is to make it so real that the ones inside don't question it. Much like where you go at night when you dream. You wake in the morning and laugh it all off as just a dream. Well, in broader terms you are in a dream now but have not awoken. The masters of all ages say the same thing. Awake thou that sleep. There is a reason these allegory films are made. The same reason philosophical books are written about the conscious and unconscious.

One asks "How can it be a dream when I can feel the table and suffer from bullets" Yes, how can it be so. It's illogical isn't it. Until one steps away and sees the fact that there is more open space inside a table than condensed mattter. To your organs (eyes) the table appears solid. To your organs (skin) the table feels solid. So you have placed all your eggs in one basket. The basket of organ sense. Once you step beyond organ sense you will understand.

You are much like the savage in the jungle that finds a broken shortwave radio that can only receive one station. The savage marvels at the voices coming in on this magical toy not realizing there are millions of other stations broadcasting yet he cannot hear them since he can only tune/receive one station/frequency. Your kind at this moment in it's evolution can only receive the 5 frequencies of sight,smell,touch,hearing and taste. Rest assured there are millions and millions of other frequencies yet because your shortwave radio is "broken" and can only tune 5 frequencies you blindly assert those 5 frequencies are the only ones that exist. Much like the savage with a broken shortwave asserting that only one broadcast exists. You ridicule others that return and tell you of other broadcasts. You love to remain smug in your assumptions. New discoveries will turn your preconceived world upside down so it's too scary to let hold of your present assumptions. There are worlds that exist that you could not imagine in your wildest fantasies. Your best science fiction writer could not do them justice. But alas, like the shortwave radio, if you cannot hear them they do not exist. They do indeed exist, YOU are not AWARE of them. That is why someone that is aware of them tries to speak about them to someone that is not aware of them it makes little sense to them. They have their MTV, Cinema, Sports, X-Box and thousands of other distractions.

One day you will come to realize that of all the great creations your world has seen since the beginning of your time is but the tiniest fraction of what IS. In many ways your plane could be considered residing at the pre-cave men level of consciousness. Still in kindergarten, still insisting on displaying negativity, still insisting on separation, still insisting on killing as a solution.

What does technology offer you when killing is still revered as a solution to challenges?

There is a reason why in your ancient Greek myths the Gods refused to give their technology to mortals. They knew it would be misused by the malevolent.

As it is now, at this level of conscioussness in this one small plane, the powers that be are enriched by continuing the illusion of matter. It's not a bad way to live. To be caught up with matter only. It's just that it is one way to live out of trillions yet you insist your way is the only way.

There are other ways to live to be sure. Sense organs are not the be all, do all of the universe. In fact sense organs might be considered rudimentary toys that children play with.

It is not in the best interests of the status quo that the masses awaken. They are more easily manipulated while asleep. More and more are waking up. The problem is the ones that wake up are not shown on your news media. What is shown on your news media are the ones still asleep.

Words on a piece of paper or an electronic document do nothing to illustrate the truth. Words can convey an image however weak and out of focus it is. It is up to the student to reread those words, ponder their meaning, then one day, as shown in your movies, a lightbulb will go off, AHA!, now I understand. Before those words were gibberish from a philosopher, now I see what they mean.

You were separated from Creation eons ago in order to gain new experience. All your searching is a metaphor that you wish to return home.

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i know what it's like being stuck in that cave along with the rest then suddenly finding yourself outside in a different world. Feeling utterly alone & confused, you head back inside the cave to tell the others but they don't understand, you're branded as crazy lunatic fool. The confusion & loneliness only grew. You yearn for the order & normalcy of your so called life before, so you take the blue pill (from your local shrink)& get on with your existenz... while others who chose the red pills (via a 12 gauge) continue on with their new found reality...

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Like getting on the wrong bus by accident, getting on the wrong train by accident or taking the wrong road by accident and ending up somewhere you don't belong there are souls that took the wrong road here by accident and stare in wonder at the incredible madness going on around them. You make the best of it or as you say take the red pill out. A personal decision. Even driving down the wrong road one can choose to observe and learn new things. Life is a teacher and all around you is experience waiting to teach for those that wish to learn.

There are 7 billion simulations going on at this moment in this plane. Yours is just one of them. No less important and no more important than the rest. You can choose to identify with it or you can choose to observe it. A tiger walks through the woods. You can choose to climb down out of your tree and fight the tiger or you can observe it walking by. Your choice. The masses choose to fight the tiger.

There are many paths leading to the top of the mountain. All paths lead to the top. Do not be fooled by those that insist take my path or you won't make it. Especially the ones that say take my path or I will kill you. Can you imagine being sold a vehicle and the salesman says buy my car or I will kill you. What is the difference between that and follow my orders or you will be killed. Or follow my religion or you will be killed. Or follow my ideals or you will be killed. If you don't do as I want I will kill you. If the law does not allow me to kill you I will publicly emasculate you to the best of my ability. Those are the thoughts of a weak mind that depend on threats in order to get what they want. Fear and threats. Look around you. Open your eyes. Wake up. Your entire advertising world is built upon fear. Fear of what the neighbors will think, fear of being fat, fear of loneliness, fear of non-conformity, fear of looking different, fear of not fulfilling your potential, fear of silence, fear of making stomach grumbles in public, fear of failure, fear of successs, fear of heartburn, fear of constipation, fear of thinking, fear of bogeyman created by the media, fear of dying, fear of living, fear of the new, fear of the unknown, fear of rebuke, fear of parents, fear of children, fear of ignorance, fear of not measuring up to others silly standards, fear of not doing the right thing, etc... ad nauseum.

Are you one of those trying to brush the mirror? If you saw someone trying to brush a mirror what would you think of him/her? That person you are watching is so caught up he/she thinks the hair being reflected in the mirror is out of place and needs brushing. You watch half smiling, half sorrowful this person trying to brush the mirror to make his/her hair look better. You feel like shouting "Stop!! I can't stand it anymore! Don't brush the mirror! Brush your hair stupid!! Brushing the mirror won't make your hair look any better, the mirror is merely a reflection. You look silly trying to brush a reflection." He/she is so caught up in an illusion they think that by trying to change an effect that the cause will change also. If you were surrounded by millions upon millions of people brushing the mirror what would you do? What would you say? How would you live? Would you ignore them and live your life in peace or would you try and help them understand amid the snarls? Do you know how it feels to watch someone brush the mirror? Do you know how it feels to watch millions brush the mirror? Do you really?

"Mankind is taught from childhood not to think for himself, not to search within himself for the answers to his problems, but to read them out of books and have them conferred upon him by physical educational processes. As a result of that he has lost the power of direct contact with realities. His new philosophy, if you can call it such, is built entirely on the opinions of his contemporaries and the interpretations by these contemporaries of earlier documents and beliefs."

"If the Great Pyramid had not survived, if the modern world had nothing in the form of knowledge except reports about it, had the Great Pyramid not continued to exist, there isn't a soul on Earth that would ever believe it had been built!"

"Something is about to happen. Something very wonderful."

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The world is an Illusion, but don't ask me to prove it since proof is in the mind of the beholder. One mans proof is another mans rubbish.

I don't really give a jazz what you think about my opinion, I'm going to tell it anyway. If you're a truthseeker, you'll think about what I'm saying and research it yourself without any pre-conceived ideas or bias. If you're not, you'll call me a whacko and let your social conditioning do what it does best: igonore anything that differs from the established "norms."

Modern science has proven --or has caught up with what mystics have been saying for thousands of years-- that the world is only in our heads, and there is no "out there," only in here. This idea, while fact, hasn't reached mainstream because it's being intentionally supressed. If people knew that we're really God playing a universe-game with "himself," manifesting in his own creation as SEPERATE living creatures, the powers that be on this earth, well, wouldn't be, because we would be free. In the grand scheme of things it's all a big play and we're the actors, so nobody really gets hurt.

This earth is a prison for the 5 senses, and we're a slave colony that doesn't realise it's a slave colony. There's a reason the world is a P.O.S., and that reason isn't 'human nature' as is often quoted. Nobody is meant to find the truth here, and the truth is rarely found because too few are willing to embark on the tretourous journey of truth.

Past social conditioning, past religion, past the last line of defense --the New Age movement-- can be found the truth. Perhaps less than 1% make it there, and once they've made it, they've made a huge leep into freedom.

Since you're not open-minded enough, you definitely wont read David Icke's Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion. He's nuts any way, and so am I. But if this is nuts, I don't want to be sane.

Peace out, and I hope you go on a quest for truth.

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You are inside the largest cosmic game of hide and seek ever created. Yet you seek in all the wrong places. What you are seeking is not found in money accumulation, wealth accumulation, trinket accumulation, experience accumulation, friends, family, drugs, television, media, alcohol, book knowledge, classical education, sheepskin degrees, peer approval, children, works created, poetry, SUVs, beautiful homes, wives, husbands, children, religion, wars, Kontrol, medicine, vacations, ancient writings, society approval, 200,000 a year salary, living miserly, living with many trinkets, living with few trinkets, wondering what the correct action is, none of those.

The masses are much like a drug addict. Take away their drug (distractions) and they get anxious, upset, mad, willing to do anything and everything to get their drug. They feel unable to function without their drug (distractions).

You look everywhere for yourself except where you are. Inside. You are not exterior to yourself. You are like a small bubble within a bubble that has no beginning and no end. You feel trapped in that tiny bubble and look exterior to the bubble for the answer to your feelings of separation. Since you don't realize you are not and never have been separated you continue to acquire exterior trinkets so that one day that feeling of separation will go away. Don't you see? It will never go away with the acquisition of objects. This object will make me feel whole or that object will make me feel whole. They never will but you have been fed the lie for so long you continue to believe and hope. Your plane is object based. There is a lot of wealth at stake and the powers that be that enrich themselves from the lies do not take kindly to the truth. Their system would collapse. That's what they are afraid of. Their centuries old system of wealth accumulation collapsing. One day it will happen. Who knows when. One day the bubble must burst. You cannot continue to pump air into a tire forever. Enjoy the ride as much as possible while it lasts.

Do not expect to find what you are looking for "out there". Expect to find pleasant distractions "out there". That's all they are. Merely pleasant distractions that make you forget for a moment your feeling of separation. In actuality you are not separated and never were. Not even as you read this. You are One as surely as the sun will rise in the morning. You identify with the feeling of separation. Therein lays the matrix paradox. You identify so closely with the feeling of separation you will do whatever it takes to continue the illusion. Damn everything else that tries to tell you different. You are separate. Your 5 physical senses prove it and to Hell with anyone or anything that tries to tell you different.

Throughout the ages the Masters have tried to speak to the masses in parables. Parables tell a story cloaked in images that make it easier to get past the conscious mind that desperately clings to illusion. Why do you think sleeping is mentioned so much? The world is asleep. The fight is between the awakened ones. One awakened side wants you to stay asleep so that they may profit from it. The other side wants you to awaken and realize you are something you chose to forget eons ago. You always have been and always will be but for a period of time that can be likened to a match being lit, burning, then blowing out (the entire time your universe has existed) you have choosen to experience separateness. Well? How do you like it? Separateness? Pretty fun eh? Are you enjoying it? No? Why not? Feel like returning home? Yes? Well, home won't be found exterior to you no matter the lies told to you to enrich their pockets. Do you really want to go home? Then turn off the external lies and meditate. Ask for guidance with your inner, silent voice. Not from mankind which is asleep. Ask from within with your silent voice. The answer will come when the student is ready.

Ignore the exterior world of Maya. It is merely an effect. Within you is Cause. Ignore so called truth from outside, even this message, the truth will come to you from within. Do you remember that game you played in the 2nd grade? When one child was told to whisper a sentence to the next child in the row. The message was whispered down the row from child to child. After going through 20 children the last child was told to stand up and anounce the sentence to the entire class. When the child spoke the other children giggled at the nonsense he spoke. This mirrors your world 100%. Except multiply it by 7 billion. When heard the Truth will be spoken by the silent voice inside that has no voice. The Voice without a voice. How does one translate a voice that speaks without a voice? Meditate on that.

The soul has become intoxicated by matter. It wanders about unable to extricate itself from the fumes of ignorance.

It is easier to know things than to know how one knows those things.

We are not confined to the reality of our five senses, but can transcend it and enter a multidimensional universe.

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When you record over a rewritable DVD what happened to the old info that was there previously?

You can't create or destroy energy, only change it from one form to another.

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When someone's physical body dies in this plane does your world ceast to exist? One day, when your physical body dies will this plane cease to exist? When you put on a jacket do you believe you are the jacket? When you take off the jacket do you think you died? Much like a desert mirage infatuates a thirsty man, the exterior world of your plane infatuates its inhabitants to the exclusion of all else.

Maya, illusion, so well crafted it appears real to the 5 senses locked inside it. Strip yourself of the 5 senses. Turn inward. Experience Truth.

Those that manipulate the plane of the 5 senses to their advantage prefer you remain asleep.

You can compare your plane of the 5 senses to a small contamination chamber that has many sets of rubber gloves set into the walls around the chamber. The workers walk up to the exterior of the chamber, place their hands inside the rubber gloves, then manipulate objects inside the chamber. The workers do not think they are the gloves. They understand they are only manipulating the gloves for a short time. They understand there are other worlds outside the chamber.

Your eyes reveal to you a hard physical world of matter. Your scientists confirm it with their equations. One day even the proponents of the plane of the 5 senses must leave it. 70 years inside the plane of the 5 senses can be likened to a match being lit, flaring up, then burning out. All of 5 seconds but to your plane of 5 senses it lasts for 70 years. Your famous scientist told you time is relative. He was right. The faster you go the slower time appears to advance. The slower you go the faster time appears to go. There are universes that are born, evolve and die in the time period you call 1/100th of a second. You are moving too fast so you do not see them. Like wise they are moving too slow and do not see you.

In exactly the same manner, you are moving too far slow to be seen by those that are moving faster than you. Those moving too fast to be seen by you are moving far too slow to be seen by those moving even faster.

If truth be told your science and physics have not even advanced into the dark ages. Your doctors still treat cancer with radiation. That's something out of the torture chambers of your middle ages. But since you experience your science as the latest cutting edge, to you it appears as miraculous. To others it is the backward work of wild savages.

Your brain has made an assumption about the structure of the world. Whether or not not the assumption is true makes no difference to you. You run around with other points of energy that assume the same thing as you do. You do not have to stretch. Only embrace what has been passed down for ages. You do not have to think, only accept what others consider the norm.

For a perfect demonstration how your eyes deceive you while in the plane of the 5 senses look here.

http://www.grand-illusions.com/opticalillusions/dragon_illusion/

Watch this video.

http://www.grand-illusions.com/images/articles/opticalillusions/dragon_illusion/dragon_illusion.wmv



"God gives the mango;
The farmer plants the seed.
God cures the patient;
The doctor takes the fees."

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you guys have way too much spare time.... lol

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To Oracle2959:
Seriously dude what are you driveling on about.
When did you wake up and decide that you had so much to say, that the world would want to listen to every last fleck of it, in your 5-10 pages of hippie ranting through some tenuous link back to the OP's question.

"I think, therefore I am"

All this simply means, is that whatever "I" may be - real, simulated or otherwise - the one thing "I" can be certain of, is that "I" think. It does not mean "therefore I physically exist", simply that "my thoughts exists".

You go on and on (AND ON) about how we have conned ourselves or are being conned by other rich piggies in power, into believing that our 5 senses are all that we are, and if we could just become a little more introspective we could see that "yay we are all simulations/illusions and there is more to this world than what we see". Or whatever. Maybe you think we can all levitate.

You like analogies, how bout this one: You wouldn't expect to be able to play space-invaders on a PAC-man table, would you. In the same way, we can only reach whatever the limits of our programming allow us to, but no more, and no less. It may be interesting to contemplate our ultimate existence; that we are just lines of code, or that there are other games out there. In the end, however, our thoughts and our 5 senses are all that we have. Unless of course you believe we can suddenly start playing space-invaders.

You yourself, monsieur self-proclaimed-oracle, said it best. "You are no more important or less important than any other" and that includes YOU. You, however, love to think that you are privy to some shard of esoteric knowledge that we can't quite grasp, and that we should feel privileged for you to grace us with your wisdom.

Off your deluded, high horse. Please. You're a cliche of yourself.

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No, there is nothing simulated about it. Consciousness is everything, and that's science. So, if consciousness is everything, and we are consciousness, then we are all part of something of higher chemistry, a higher vibration in the multiverse. You must know that everything has a frequency of vibration, a frequency of the whole light spectrum. In indigenous cultures around the world; it is said that, the force behind existence consciousness. The most commonly seen symbolic representation of the Unit is Yin & Yang (duality yet singular), which primarily represents the dark & light cycles of the Zodiac called Equinoxes or The Great Yuga.

Have you heard of cymatic experiements?

Everything is going to transform, the backbone of "2012" is explained by this experiment. DNA absorbs light for in-formation. the holographic aspect of dna is liquid crystal. A tetrahydron, or star tetrahydhron. Crystals resonates and cut with 70% water that has tetrahydron form. With this and gases one could create this vibration of geometric pattern, the Zero point vibration.

If you ask me what I think God is then I say, in what aspect? Everything is everything in science so, God is in the chemical aspect, electromagnetism, the highest level of chemistry, out of 7. God is all cosmic consciousness, with us being a part of it. One Love to you all see you in the fifth dimension.

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All this can be summed in to one question ... if a tree falls in the middle of nowhere, does it make a sound? which is like asking if you dont hear it or see it does it really exist or happen

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this article might be of interest if you have the time..

http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/06/the_reality_tests_1.php

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Don't regurgitate Descartes' Meditations... instead just direct people to the text.

http://www.wright.edu/cola/descartes/mede.html

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Oracle2959

tl;dr

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Unfortunately 99.999% of the souls reading this thread still depend on what their 5 physical senses tell them. If it does not make sense to their 5 physical senses it's not true. If they cannot beat on it with a hammer and measure it then it does not exist. The challenge lies there within. Until you decide to give up the 5 senses which account for interpreting perhaps 1/1,000,000 of the energy spectrum available then you will continue to "see" the world only through 5 "senses".

You are nothing but an astronaut that puts on a spacesuit for 70 odd years. You are not the spacesuit you put on any more than you are the leather jacket you put on from your closet when you go out for the evening. Perplexing yes? Here you are a physical form that can bang on a counter yet deep inside you you know there is something far deeper to this masquerade. It feels so real doesn't it? The best illusions usually are. The best illusions, in order to last until the game is over, are constructed so well that only a very few are able to recognize it. The illusion is so very real and dear to you that you will fight to your last breath that is indeed real. If it wasn't real then that would mean everything you have been taught since birth has been a lie. That would mean those learned scholars among you are either lying to you or are just as unaware as you are.

You simply cannot see that light waves vibrating at a certain high frequency enter upside down your organic lenses you call eyes, hit your retinas, are converted to electrical impulses, passed along an organic neuron network then re-assembled inside what you call your brain in rather a crude 3-D hologram image.

Humans are much like someone that owns a portable radio that only receives one frequency. You try to tell him or her that other frequencies and broadcasts do exist but the holder of the radio will have none of it. THIS RADIO ONLY PLAYS ONE STATION SO THAT PROVES ONLY ONE STATION EXISTS!!!

Silly humans. Do you understand there are forms of life that look at your species and planet the same way you might look at an amoeba? And there are lifeforms far beyond that that look at those lifeforms as you would an amoeba.

You don't even realize you are being taken care of and always have been taken care of by forces that operate in much the same way as a gardener does when watching over his own crop.

Why do you think there was life on this rock for millions upon millions of years yet only relatively speaking in the last few years has advanced intelligence developed in the ape mammals. Do you think it was just merely an accident that after millions upon millions of years of life that suddenly these apes advanced more in the last 20,000 years than in the last million years?

Advanced is a relative term. Advanced to the point that makes extermination of millions if not billions of humans with the press of a button. You are still fighting amongst yourselves in the same way you did on the plains of Africa 35,000 years ago. The only difference is now your hate and greed can now kill millions at a time instead of 50 or 100 in a tribal fight with sticks, arrows and clubs.

Then you stand up and say you know with certainty what is real and what is an illusion. You smugly imagine yourselves as advanced and knowledgeable, yet you are little more than a hairy ape from 25,000 years ago dressed up in a $500 suit with a head full of ancient superstitions and beliefs.

Your species still operates on the negative/positive emotion model. No evolvement there in the last 60,000 years. Yet to step outside that model you would be like a small child that steps away from his mother for a moment only to run back to the comfort of the familiar.

Your species still use electromagnetic radiation to treat cancer. That's something out of the medieval Dark Ages. That's criminal. Yet you think you are advanced and can tell reality from an illusion.

The greatest game ever conceived is being played upon each one of you yet you are totally unaware of it. Why do you think all of your mystics from time immortal have told you to awaken. To wake up.

But in a way that's how the Game continues. The players are kept unaware they are in a game to begin with. They are made to feel and look separate which in fact they have never been and never could be separate. The illusion makes it so. The Game continues. No matter, the Game has been played for eons and will continue to played for eons in the future. It's the only Game in town. Turning Consciousness into separateness for the briefest of time. Separateness thinks it knows how reality works. Separateness yearns for something so bad yet cannot place it's finger on it. It substitutes that yearning for every physical desire imaginable. In the end the physical accomplishments mean nothing. They never could. Separateness is yearning to go Home. Home can never be replaced by shiny trinkets. The ironic thing is separateness is already Home and has always been Home yet the veil of separateness disguises that fact. Separateness only sees disconnection and parts, it cannot rise above that illusion. The Game was designed that way to keep the players in check. Once you go far beyond separateness you will understand. Until then the Game will continue on so Consciousness can experience itself through many forms.

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Since when do we care for amoebas?

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Unfortunately 99.999% of the souls reading this thread still depend on what their 5 physical senses tell them.
Make that 100%, and that includes you, obviously.
Humans are much like someone that owns a portable radio that only receives one frequency. You try to tell him or her that other frequencies and broadcasts do exist but the holder of the radio will have none of it. THIS RADIO ONLY PLAYS ONE STATION SO THAT PROVES ONLY ONE STATION EXISTS!!!

Silly humans. Do you understand there are forms of life that look at your species and planet the same way you might look at an amoeba? And there are lifeforms far beyond that that look at those lifeforms as you would an amoeba.

Then you stand up and say you know with certainty what is real and what is an illusion. You smugly imagine yourselves as advanced and knowledgeable, yet you are little more than a hairy ape from 25,000 years ago dressed up in a $500 suit with a head full of ancient superstitions and beliefs.

Your species still operates on the negative/positive emotion model. No evolvement there in the last 60,000 years. Yet to step outside that model you would be like a small child that steps away from his mother for a moment only to run back to the comfort of the familiar.

Your species still use electromagnetic radiation to treat cancer. That's something out of the medieval Dark Ages. That's criminal. Yet you think you are advanced and can tell reality from an illusion.

The greatest game ever conceived is being played upon each one of you yet you are totally unaware of it. Why do you think all of your mystics from time immortal have told you to awaken. To wake up.
LOL @ you talking about humans in the third person, as though you aren't one. You are clearly touched in the head.

Tell me, Mr. "I Like To Play 'Make Pretend' On the Internet", what should "our species" use other than electromagnetic radiation to treat cancer?

I don't dance, tell jokes or wear my pants too tight, but I do know about a thousand songs.

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<< One day you will come to realize that of all the great creations your world has seen since the beginning of your time is but the tiniest fraction of what IS. >>

Or not.

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It doesn't matter if our universe is simulated or not, because there is no way to prove either.

"Even if we are a simulated reality, there is no way to be sure the people running the simulation are not themselves a simulation, and the operators of that simulation are not a simulation, ad infinitum. Given the premises of the simulation argument, any reality, even one running a simulation, has no better or worse chances of being a simulation than any other." -wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Worth checking out.

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what a silly and pointless question!
can you prove to me your consciousness?

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Is our world a simulation?

Well, if you think it is, you're right.

If you think it's not, you're right.

Whatever you think, in the end, you're right.

If you think demons control the earth and influence you, you're right.

If you think you create your own reality and there are no demons that influence you, you're right.

If you think God created the earth in 7 days, you're right.

If you think the Earth evolved over billions of years your're right.

If you think 3 plus 3 equals seven, you're right.

If you think 3 plus 3 equals six, you're right.

If you think you can't, you're right.

If you think you can, you're right.

The above will go way over the heads of 9,999 people out of 10,000. Are you that 1 in 10,000 that gets it? Do you just feel the tuning fork going off inside? Good, the journey has begun.


I received a PM today about my reading list. In case someone here is interested I am including my response. The longest journey begins with the first step.

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Hmm...well I don't keep a reading list I can actually cut and paste. Meaning my reading list of 37 (since my vehicle was 10) or so is vastly enormous. When you stop reading/learning you start dying. For starters my physical spacesuit for journeys on this rock is 47 revolutions of your sun.

I think the books that got me started were case studies of UFO's in the 40's,50's and 60's that I started reading in the 4th grade (1968). Then more and more esoteric/metaphysical books on dreams, esp, MUFON, astral travel, philosophy, history, crusades, spanish inquisition, Sir Francis Bacon, Illuminati throughout recorded history, Pyramid Power (1976) by Pat Flanigan, all the books about Seth by Jane Roberts (cannot recommend highly enough), The Mystic Path To Cosmic Power by Vernon Howard (be sure to read all Vernon Howard books), very old spanish books that detail Hernan Cortes and the fall of the Aztec empire along with the Aztec's myths and where the myths evolved from, all the books by T. Lobsang Rampa, Carlos Castenada, all the works of Henry David Thoreau especially self-reliance and solitude, Kierkegaard, Leo Tolstoy, Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged, Stephen Hawking (world's leading theoretical physicist) A Brief History of Time, Alien Dreamtime by Terence McKenna, Aldous Huxley Brave New World, George Orwell 1984, David Icke, The Master Key System by Charles F Haanel (1908), The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall (cannot recommend enough) The Secret (video that came out in 2006 about ancient teachings), Olivia Newton John's song Magic, Socrates and Plato, any works on skepticism and cynicism, René Descartes, Diogenes, Arthur C. Clarke, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Ayahuasca, LSD, mind expanding substances, Timothy Leary, Human Psychopharmacology of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) by Rick Strassman, MD, Rosicrucians, Knights Templar, Freemasonry, The Beati Paoli from the 17th century, Principia Discordia, Zecharia Sitchin, Erich von Däniken, Credo Mutwa, Jordan Maxwell, Gnosticism, The Cathars, Mesopotamia, Sumeria, The Secrets of The Annunaki, The Secret Beyond Matter and about 500 others. This list barely scratches the surface but enough to get you started.

They have become accustomed to something that is not right until they finally accept deformity as normalcy.

Gravity affects you whether you are aware of it or not.

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If you were in an accident. Imagine you are in a coma to the exterior world. Your arms and legs had to be amputated. You are paralyzed from the injuries. You cannot move. You cannot move your lips or your eyelids. Yet even though your motor neural pathways are no longer functioning correctly you can still see fine. Inside your body you are still the same before the accident. You see your mother crying next to you but you cannot acknowledge her. Your father stands by her side struggling not to cry. You want to scream out you are fine but you can do no such thing. You watch and listen as the doctor tells your parents there is no hope and it's best to cut off your life support. You want to jump out of the bed and bash the doctor's brain out but you can't. To the world you are a lifeless vegatable but you know different. You are not lifeless, you only "appear" lifeless. There is nothing you can do to change anyones opinions. They see with their own eyes you are "lifeless" so for all intents and purposes you are. You exist just as before with all your memories, dreams and fears yet due to a horrific set of circumstances you cannot acknowledge your presence to the world any more. Your parents leave after signing the papers to remove your life support. Afterwards 2 nurses and a doctor remove the feeding tubes from your body. The slow descent into an agonizing death begins. You see a tear in the doctor's eye as he turns away. You feel cheated. You did not do anything wrong. Yet in a few days you will die because "normal" people think you are "lifeless".

If the above happened to you would the "you" inside you be any different? Your legs are gone. Your arms are gone. Your muscular control is gone. Your speech is gone. After so much would "you" be any different than before the accident? No, you would be the exact same person as before. So you see, "you" does not depend on a body (spacesuit) to function. You function quite well without a body. Where do you think you go at night when you dream? Do you think you dream in your brain? Do you think it's just brain cells firing to create an imaginary world? Do you know why sometimes you are just falling asleep and all of a sudden you jerk?

When you dream you leave your body. Yes, I hear all the scientists with their beakers and burners screaming they need proof. Well, you aint gonna get it. That's where the mirror turns into itself and you see a million mirrors reflecting into each other. You can no more prove a dream than you can prove jealousy. I dare any scientist in the world to prove jealousy or anger. Scientifically prove it. It's impossible. You see, scientists are like the workers in a laboratory that put their hands inside plastic gloves and manipulate items inside the work chamber. The scientist actually believes that he has become the glove that manipulates oblects inside the work chamber. He is no more the glove than you are your body but since he is so close to it he cannot see it. In much the same way you are so close to the earth you cannot see it is but a speck of dust within a 1000 mile long stretch of beach. Back to dreams. There are more worlds in a pinhead than stars at night you can see. They are invisible to you because they are vibrating slower or faster than you are. They are invisible to you because they are so much smaller than you or they are so much larger than you. Your great scientist understood it. Everything is relative. To you a concert's volume is normal, to a grandmother it's loud. It's relative. Time is relative to your perception. You have a device to "measure" time. A watch. A watch no more measures time than a cow talks. But to your perception one revolution of your planet on it's axis takes place in 24 hours. You built a device that ticks a certain speed and call that time. What a quaint idea. For all this planets advances on one hand it recedes twice as fast on the other. There is no time. There is only now. Time does not exist except in your world of measured ticks. At best time is an illusion. Time can be likened to a magician. It appears the elephant can float in mid air. Really it does. But we all know the elephant trick is an illusion. In much the same way your sense organs play a "trick" on you to make you believe there is time. It is the worlds best trick. No magician ever could make such a trick up. Your consciousness streams out of your five senses and appear to confirm what the conciousness "feels or sees" as "real". In much the same way you suspend belief for 2 hours at the movies whilst transported to a dreamland you suspend belief for 70 odd years whilst appearing in this plane of reality. Do you not see this? The movie anology is truer than you could imagine.

When you dream you leave your body and you do go "somewhere else". Your body recharges itself much like a battery. When your levels are low you get sleepy. When you wake up you are tapped up. Whilst 8 hours away you go to visit diffent planes. Why is it you can fly in your dreams? Do you ever ponder that? How can you just leap off the ground and in seconds you are flying? How can you hover over the ground 50 feet up and just sit there suspended in air like a helicopter? Do you really think it is your brain playing tricks on you? Do you? Let's run with that. For all the skeptics that say your brain is playing tricks on you whilst sleeping. Did you ever ponder the fact that perhaps your brain may be playing a trick on you while you are "awake"? Nah! that's balderdash! My brain that tricks me at night to believe things would never trick me in the daytime to "believe things". That's lunacy!!

Well my friend you may be fooled more times than you think. Look up the word Maya. Research the origins of that word. Maya=Illusion. You are inside the most wondrous illusion ever conceived and are not even aware of it because the illusion has been crafted so well. A long time ago an intelligence a kajillion times smarter than you "put things together" You haven't the slightest inkling how many cc's of adrenaline to inject into your bloodstream when a car appears out of nowhere but It does. You haven't the slightest idea how much iodine is needed in your bloodsteam at all times but It does. You haven't the slightest idea how to extract oxygen from air molecules but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to combine two cells into a living creature but It does. You don't have the slightest idea what electricity really is but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how many cc's of blood your brain requires every 15 seconds but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to convert extracted toxins to liquid waste but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to replenish every cell in your body every nine months but It does.

In much the same way you don't have the slightest idea you are living an illusion but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to create the worlds greatest illusion but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to escape the illusion but It does. You don't have the slightest idea your illusion is one of kajillions but It knows. You don't have the slightest idea how something so real could be so unreal but It does. You don't have the slightest idea how to build an illusion that appears so real that few escape it does. But In the grand scheme of things it matters little the masses slumber. If the masses awakened in 24 hours the game here would be over. What's the point of playing the game anymore when all the players have left the room? As long as the players remain in the room the game can be continued to be played. It's all a game don't you see? A silly cosmic game with no winners and no losers. Winners and losers appear real in much the same way a floating elephant by a magician appears real. Beyond the room there are no labels as winners or losers. Labels are an invention here to divide and separate. Without separation the game ends. Separation or rather apparent separation keeps the game rolling along. You are but extensions of the Whole experiencing physical matter and reporting back those experiences. You "think" you are separate. Your brain is playing the greatest trick. Greater than the worlds best magician. You think you are that glove inside the work chamber. Remember? The worker in the lab that sticks his hands inside rubber gloves than manipulates objects inside the contamination chamber. In exactly the same manner you believe you are the glove manipulating objects inside the contamination chamber. You only look straight ahead into the chamber. You see and feel objects you can manipulate. So the chamber has to be "real" correct? Do you see this? You are manipulating objects and you are so enamored of the experience you cannot imagine anything else. You have blinders on and can only see what is in front of you. You are like a man living inside a house with a kajillion windows. You insist on looking out only one window. You cannot pull your gaze away from that one window for a second so enthralled you have become by it's magnetic draw. Alas at night you are pulled away from that window for 8 hours. After 8 hours you return to that window that holds your attention captive. It's not a bad thing. In the window you see and experience wondrous things. Some look through the window and experience horrors beyond imagination. Is that fair? One experiences wonder, the next experiences pain beyond words. Life is not fair. No matter the number of laws to promote fairness life is and never will be "fair" Fairness is relative. Like energy. To a cow it's not too fair to be shot in the skull with electricity to kill you just so some fat slob of an energy mass can eat a part of your body for 99 cents. Is that fair? It depends on who you ask. The fat slob or the cow.

One day perhaps another advanced civilation may visit say in 18,000 years. This civilization lives on mammals. In fact they find human beings to be extra tasty. Now let me ask you. Is it fair this civilization kills you and your family and barbeques you for their dinner? Well, again fairness is in the eye of the beholder. They are hungry and they have to eat. But you certainly don't appreciate being electroshocked to death and barbequed while you are still alive. So you see, fairness is in the eye of the beholder. Or perhaps we shall say fairness belongs to those with the biggest electroshock stick. One day 30,000 years later a larger race finds that race particularly tasty. Now what is fair. It's relative.

This world is relative. Is it an illusion or is it real? Well, it depends what side of the fence you are on. If you sit on the side that manipulates objects then most certainly the world is real. If you spend a great deal of time pondering the other windows than most certainly this world is Maya.

Let me leave you with a riddle.

If you took an ordinary kitchen sponge and chopped that sponge into 672 billion tiny pieces do you think you could look at one tiny piece of that sponge and tell for certain that itty bitty piece is actually part of the big sponge? In other words that itty bitty piece was chopped up so fine and so small it took on an entirely different appearance. Could you look at that itty bitty piece and recognize it is in fact a sponge, not an itty bitty piece that thinks it's separate? Would you need a magnifying glass to enlarge it enough to see it is actually a sponge? Even magnified 1000 times that little piece still appears different. How can that be?

Energy never dies. It merely tranforms into a different form. You are in one form now. At some point in the future you will transform. You are not getting out alive. Think about that. You are not getting out alive. At least your capsule that holds you. Sooner or later your capsule will run down like a clock that ticks down till it needs to be rewound. At that time you will transform.

If we lived 150 years ago and someone told you they saw flying objects in the sky most likely they would be locked up in an asylum for the mentally insane. If that person insisted to the so called doctors of that day (1850 Italy) that they saw flying objects in their dreams and flying birds with flames coming out of them those doctors of years past might be so inclined to perform a lobotomy on the poor soul. All day long that poor soul spoke of men in flying machines going to the moon and returning, flying from Italy to New York in 3 hours, living on the moon then flying back to earth. The ramblings of a madman for sure. Am I not correct? In much the same way there are voices now that speak of things to come that are ignored and considered crazy. Crazy is another object that is relative. It's crazy to think you can send a man from New York to Italy in 5 hours right? No, there is the concorde. The concorde can send a man there in 5 hours. It's insane to think you can send a man from New York to italy in 1 second. No, wait, you can send a man there in one second via his image being deconstructed, sent via air, sound and energy waves then reconstructed in a fraction of a second and displayed on a screen with electrons moving at the speed of light. If you had this miraculous invention 150 years ago you would be burned at the stake as a witch. Now it is so commonplace no one even thinks twice about it. In much the same way there are ideas so powerful you cannot even imagine them. If told of them most would scoff the same way the person of 150 years ago was scoffed at. There are a kajillion more ideas waiting to be breathed into life than have been invented in the last 9,000 years. Because you have blinders on you can only see what is in front. You miss the sides, the backs and the tops. Smugly the world agrees only what is in front is real. The sides, tops and rear are a lunatics dream or at best an escape from "reality". None of the great inventors lived in this physical reality. Their world was lightyears away. You see they traveled to the frontier where there are no limits. No restraints. Where anything is possible. Do you think such a world exists? Surely as this world exists the other does too. And a kajillion others. The inventors traveled to this world, saw their inventions in perfect form, then returned here and tried their best to manipulate matter to create their dream. I guarantee you Edison saw a lightbulb lit up a million times in his mind before he ever saw it in the "real" world.
Most inventors are ahead of their time. They see things that are not "there". They see things in another plane. In that plane they do exist in perfect form. Their job is to get that form to break into this plane. With perseverance the invention crosses over. I guarantee you the Wright Brothers saw themselves flying a kajillion times in their mind before it ever happened. Try and imagine what the world would be like today if Orville and Wilbur Wright listened to the cynics and naysayers. Orville, stop that crazy thinking, get a nice job at the bank and give up those crazy ideas of yours. Wilbur, stop that crazy thinking this instant! You are to sell your workshop and get a real job that pays money or else! Can you imagine? Most of the world did think of flying as lunacy. If man was meant to fly he would have been born with wings! Thank goodness they ignored the cynics and the negative "you can't's" How many inventions would the world have now if it were not for seeds of doubt planted by negative minds?


>>The problem is sifting through all the opposing beliefs and reading things that are meaningful without claiming the "be all, end all" philosophy.

Trust me, when you read the truth a tuning fork will go off inside you. Keep on sifting. There is not one be all do all philosophy that is "right" anymore than there is one path up a mountain. Unfortunately there are hucksters that threaten unless you follow my path up the mountain I will kill you or at a minimum emasculate you.

>>Little insight, I take "The Matrix" to be almost a message to humanity,

There have been many messages to humanity, the Matrix is one of many. Perhaps the W brothers never even intended anything of the Matrix other than a quick way to get rich. Then on the other hand perhaps the W brothers are merely freak puppets put at the front for the masses so everyone laughs them off and so laughs off the movie as some kids fantasy. Then perhaps the W brothers had the money, the clout and the connections to make a movie outside the USA and basically tell the powers that be to shove it, we know what's up and we are going to put it in an alice in wonderland story that probably won't be appreciated for several hundred years if then.

I'm not sure if the W brothers were merely figureheads and someone or something was in the shadows. There is just way, way too much correct allegory in that movie to be a freak happenstance. That movie was made on purpose and every bit of dialogue was made on purpose.

>>I really don't like this reality

That's why you get 8 hours a day away from it. Most of the time I feel like a traveler that got on the wrong plane by accident and ended up in Mongolia. Not that Mongolia is bad but not exactly where I was intending to go. Almost as if I was born 15,000 years in the past or somehow walked through a passageway and was transported back to 13,000 BC and was forced to live there with the knowledge of someone from 15,000 years in the future. There would be no one to talk to or relate to. Most would only be interested in killing or scrambling for food all day or attacking neighboring tribes. Hmm... attacking neighboring tribes....I see the world has not changed too much in 15,000 years.

Do I consider myself ascended? Naw, just a regular person. It's difficult to put into English/words. Words are so confining and limiting. One word to me does not have the exact same meaning to you. Close but no cigar. Rudimentary enough to conduct commerce but to explain mysteries?, I think not. There are worlds with no words. The concept is difficult to explain much less squeeze into words. Words are by their nature limiting. I believe in no limits yet I must, due to this plane of reality, function the best I can within it yet not being of it. I liken it (using words) to seeing a rainbow then trying to describe it to a blind man. There is no way to describe it. Blue is meaningless to him. Sure he hears the word, sure he associates blue with some sort of shading perhaps but is the blue he imagines the blue of the rainbow you saw? You saw it, it was real (as real as something in this plane can be) yet it cannot be translated via sound vibrations or light vibrations to someone with no optic nerves. In much the same way an experience cannot be translated into words. Sure, you went to see the Grand Canyon and you came home and described the experience. Your associates more or less get it you went to some hot place with lots of dirt and rocks with a gigantic hole in the ground. Some may even compare it to their memory of being there, but in the end your words of visiting the Grand Canyon are at best a poor substitute for the experience yet one that has been more or less agreed upon by the participants in this plane.


OK, second part coming up. IMDB says this post was too long. Continue below to Part II

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As an experiment try taking your most vivid dream ever in your entire life and try to put it into words so someone else knows exactly what it was like to experience it. It's simply impossible. Close but no cigar. Yes, you can say I was in a room, the room was red, it had a lightbulb at the top and strange green animals were floating by but there is no way yet to transfer what you saw to the person you are conversing with. Now imagine a place that has no color, no words, no time, no end, no beginning. Again, the words do justice to one billionth of the experience but words are all I have. Telepathy is none too common yet. To most that would be a black room with no noise and they are floating. They are sense creatures that crave stimulation and manipulation at this level in their evolvement. Some do try to experience it. Not sure about nowadays but back a few years ago the in thing to do was lock yourself up inside a darkened container with salt water. You would float basically in darkness. It's still one billionth of the experience. Closer than being at a baseball game with 50,000 screaming people but still no cigar. Even if I said it was a mystical experience what does that do? What exactly is a mystical experience anyway? Well, an experience that cannot be put into words. Ever have one? Ever had an experiance that is so far beyond words it's not funny? I mean way, way, way beyond words. I mean lightning bolt WAY, WAY, WAY beyond any and all words. Something that leaves you in awe for the rest of your life. Something that is not sold in stores. Something that is never shown on TV. Something that is not in any known book, something so powerful that your core is shaken, ripped apart and rebuilt. I guess it is like an orgasm. Believe it or not there are a lot of women that have never had one in their lives. Hard to believe but it's the truth. 30 year old woman are out there that have never experienced one. 40 year olds, 20 year olds, 60 year olds, whatever age. For some reason or another they never had one. Some do learn later in life quite by accident or perhaps on purpose with a little training from a friend or book. But many, many women go their entire life and never know what it is like. Now I could describe one to them and they might nod their head in agreement but unless you experienced one you do not have any reference point. Much like many men have no idea that women can have multiple orgasms. A lot of men do not even know what a clitoris is. Still more do not even know where it is. Many more do not know a women can have continous orgasms separated by mere seconds. A lot of men do not know they can can have multiple orgasms. The vast majority of men do not realize they can have an orgasm merely by imagination alone. They think it requires stimulation. Well, there's simply a lot of ignorance in the world. My point being there are experiences that are simply so far beyond words it's better left unsaid than to try and butcher the experience by trying to shove it into limited words.


>>why choose the message boards on IMDB to release this information?

There is no special/hidden/secret information being released. It's available anywhere for those that seek it out. In the Bible, tthe Torah, the Koran, the great philosophers books, in the writings of poets, in the writings of Robert Collier circa 1914, in the writings of Francis Bacon, Ben Franklin, Rampa, Jane Roberts, Tolstoy, Orwell, Clarke, Hawking, Cayce, Thomas Aquinas, Confucius, Taoism, Zen, Buddha, bhagavad vita, the legends of the Annunaki, the writings of Admiral Bird, Mesopotamia legends, Sumerian teachings, Vedanta, quantum theory, The Tao of Physics, Upanishads. Once you begin to study you soon discover the same river runs through all of them.

Try this. The next time you are absorbed in something whether a book or tv show, stop, shake your head, and simply become aware of your presence in that room. Before you were so absorbed you did not exist to yourself. Shake your head, stand up and simply become aware YOU are in that room. Do you see the difference? Really? A few moments before you had forgot yourself you were so absorbed. Seconds later you shook your head and became aware of your presence in that room. What I just said reveals the greatest secret you will ever discover in your life. Go back and read this paragraph again. Then read it again slowly. Let it sink in. Then read it several times more until it hits you. It took me 5 or 6 readings before I understood. This is the secret, it is right in front of everyone yet they don't see it. A moment ago you were so absorbed YOU did not exist to yourself. Once you became aware you snapped out of the trance. In much the same way you are so absorbed in this physical world YOU does not exist to yourself. Read this again. You are so absorbed in this physical world YOU does not exist to yourself. You feel separated. All the drugs, all the money, all the acclaim, all the honors, all the prestige, all the religion, all the distractions, all the marriages, all the friends, all the accolades, all the awards, all the promotions, all the vacations, all the television, all the movies, all the books, all the arguments, all the anger, all the real estate, all of it will not make that feeling of separateness go away. Don't you see this? You can wash your sorrows in a mountain of distractions, alcohol and noble causes but your feeling of separation remains. Drugs don't kill it, alcohol does not kill it, religion does not kill it, vacations in France does not kill it, donating money to charities does not kill it, feeding starving kids in poor countries does not kill it, having the biggest house on the block does not kill it, having so many distractions in your life you don't have time to think does not kill it. Nothing will kill it. Except awareness. Awareness you are not separate. Awareness that you have never been separated, only believed you were separate. You are not separate now nor have you ever been. But you are so deeply absorbed you do not realize YOU exist. When you hurt another you hurt only yourself. When you steal from another you steal only from yourself. When you murder another you only murder yourself. When you cause harm to another you only cause harm to yourself. Yes, it is very difficult to see 700 billion tiny pieces of a cut up sponge and not understand it is one sponge not 700 billion separate pieces, the cosmic game is being played out and in order for the game to continue playing the tiny sponges must stay absorbed. So absorbed they forget for 70+ years what they really are.


You were separated from Creation eons ago in order to gain new experience. All your searching is a metaphor that you wish to return home.


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Thanks, that's a good list. I graduated with a master's in English last Spring and ever since I've put pretty much all my focus on religion/spirituality. The problem is sifting through all the opposing beliefs and reading things that are meaningful without claiming the "be all, end all" philosophy.
Little insight, I take "The Matrix" to be almost a message to humanity, so the Cayce readings and other theories about the holographic nature of our minds/universe fascinates me, plus, I really don't like this reality, and if it is true what Jhershierra and Cayce say about us being rays of light and becoming entangled in the physical with no apparent way out because of our addictions and fear, I want out. So would you consider yourself ascended then? How'd you get that way? And why choose the message boards on IMDB to release this information?

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Oracle2959 - It seems easy to me to acknowledge our five senses, then to extrapolate and imagine the possibility of others. Pretty much like we now extrapolate from human nature and imagine the possibility of God. Is all you say a result of such extrapolation and imagination? Simply more distraction?
If we are more than the sum of our parts, are you only adding to the sum? Or are you describing something that serves you? And if so, how? And why would you be telling us?

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take some ketamine and spend a few hours wondering which of the universes youre being thrown between is the real one, dont expect to have a good time, just expect to experience something youll be thinking about for months

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Hey Oracle, thanks for sharing. I'm slowly making my way through this thread. There is one thing I may be able to ellucidate for you -

I'm not sure if the W brothers were merely figureheads and someone or something was in the shadows. There is just way, way too much correct allegory in that movie to be a freak happenstance. That movie was made on purpose and every bit of dialogue was made on purpose.


It's an example of a technique of elite social control called "predictive programming". Try googling that and "The Futurist Society". There are at least two levels of private science above the level of public/academic science (that's why they call it *re*-search - what is already known privately is being re-discovered publically. Insulting terms like these are encoded into the language so that, on an unconscious level, we always "know our place"). There is secret science at the level of the military/intelligence agencies which is far in advance of public science, and above that, science and technology that has been sequestered by secret societies (some of which is ancient knowledge from ages past). Through organizations like the The Futurist Society, science fiction writers are commissioned to introduce concepts to the public that are scheduled to be imposed on society for purposes of more effecient control. Even though the concepts are often shown in negative, dystopic or nightmare scenarios, the public psyche becomes acclimated to them, and their eventual acceptance is eased through familiarity (if they were introduced in a positive light, the agenda would be too obvious - using a negative context, resistance is short-circuited since the backlash has already "happened" fictionally). The elite science of controlling human society through techniques like predictive programming (and elites refer to this science openly, using the code-word "technique", in books they used to write for each other, since no one else read or understood them) is itself an ancient science of the secret societies that have controlled the masses from behind the scenes for millenia. That is why things are so horrible generally - we are provided just enough consciousness to work effeciently for them, but not so much as to pose a potential threat to them. Check out cuttingthroughthematrix.com.

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If our world is a simulation, what is it a simulation of?

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Anyone ever heard of Neville? (Neville Goddard) One of the most enlightened minds of the 20th century. Try reading "The Power of Awareness." And not once, but read it continually monthly, yearly, until you really understand reality.
Order as many of his books as you can.

Then come back to the board and talk about life...real life. What it really is. It's not a simulation, but you are so right it's all within. We all live our own time-track, and we control everything on our track and everyone in it. Believe something long enough and it will come true. good and bad.

Once you understand that your reality is different--if only slightly--from the people in your reality...then you get a measure of control. Until then you are bounced around like a beach ball thinking you are subject to life's whims.

The truth is only 1 in a million people ever understand awareness and imagination's role in creation and the continuation of "Life". Many less than that are EVEN interested or even have the brain power to know they OUGHT to be interested.

Very few people even care where we come from and where we are going after death or how to make "life" respond to our desires while we are here on this plane, this dimension, whatever it is...

On a scale of 1-10 most people are a 2-3 in awareness. If you are interested in the questions of life and searching, you are at least a 4-5 and believe me that is way ahead of your peers.
6-7 are ascended so far ahead of most of us, we can't understand them any more than an ant can understand us.
Nina

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>>My question, since you seem to be a pretty informed person, is have you ever seen anything, really seen anything to give the certainty that what is beyond, after this, is truly amazing/beautiful/better/along a path?


If I said yes I have or no I have not would it make any difference? The ego wants to know that. The ego is afraid of it's end. You see we must all assume an ego for 70+ years on this rock in order to live and advance. What is an ego but a bunch of memories. Memories that the ego does not want to let go of. Unfortunately this world must rely on symbols to express truth. This is like using words to describe a rainbow. One faction thinks it's pink, another thinks it salmon colored, another believes it to be burnt red and quibble for thousands of years over semantics. It's like 7 billion balloons filled with water hovering over an ocean. They all fight and argue about what they are and what they want and who is going to own what and who is going to control what and where they will be when they are are popped but once all the balloons are popped they return home from whence they came and forgot all about it.

You see the masses see separation. The enlightened see One. Ah, but the illusion is so real isn't it. Look! you can touch a table, feel a bullet, and kill yourself by walking in front of a train. If you can do that then it must be real right? How can one say a freight train is not real? The conundrum of all ages. Prove it's not real say some. You cannot prove it. So if you cannot prove something that obviously means it is false correct? Prove to me a thought. Prove to me an emotion. Prove to me a memory, You can't. So those are false? Non-existant? Your cells rebuild themselves once every nine months. Every cell in your body is brand new after nine months yet you still retain your memory?? How can that be so? Because YOU are independant of cells. YOU are, for lack of a better symbol, energy. Energy that has decided to become physical in order to relay back those experiences to the WHOLE. You feel separated? you aren't and never were, your feelings make it so. You feel separated from the WHOLE so you are. Your wish is ITS command. You want to experience separateness? YOUR WISH IS ITS COMMAND. Words are a poor tool to communicate reality yet what else can one use when dealing with primitives?

Yes, primitives. This world is so self-absorbed it wouldn't see the truth if it walked up to them and bit them on their ass. Imagine a civilization that has a headstart on this one by ONLY 100,000 years. If those from that world tried to relate to citizens here it would be 99.999 impossible. Everyone here wants to be/act/look/parrot like everyone else rather being who they really are. A gigantic game. I could speak for months and months on this topic yet it would do no good. Most minds on this rock are so tightly shut 50 pounds of C4 would not open them.

If you really want to learn more might I suggest Alan Watts. Alan had a great grip on things and there really is nothing like his talks. Also I might suggest reading all the Seth books. The average tv watcher will laugh the Seth books off as some lady nutcase from the early 70's. But once you reread those books over and over every time the truths will ring that tuning fork deep inside you.

Since stories seem to be a good method to explain abstract truths here is a small one.

A very long time ago (relatively speaking-for some one second of "time" is the same as 100 billion years for another) It grew bored being Everything. It decided to play a game. It decided to take pieces of Itself and endow them with their own consciousness. The tiny pieces would believe (some say suffer the illusion) they are separate. The tiny pieces would grow and evolve. Some would die off early and return home and others would advance for billions and trillions and qazillions of years (relatively speaking) The tiny pieces whether a rock, a bird, a human, a tiger or "something that cannot be imagined" would all "phone home" with their experiences. The experiences would be collated by It. The tiny pieces however must remain ignorant of the Truth in order for the game to continue. If the little pieces discover the Truth the game will be over. It's really no big deal because a new game would then start. So you see, we, you and me and all the rest are really inside a big game that does appear real. IT APPEARS REAL ONLY TO THE 5 SENSES. You are much more than 5 senses but simply have not become aware of it yet. YET TO YOUR 5 SENSES THIS ROCK IS VERY VERY REAL BECAUSE YOUR 5 SENSES "TRICK" YOUR BRAIN. Another word for brain is Hologram Creator. If somehow science could remove your brain and stick it inside a glass jar then hook up your optic nerves to a sense inducer and hook up your auditory nerves into a "sound inducer" and so forth for the other 3 "senses" YOU WOULD IN EFFECT "SEE" and "experience" the same thing you do now!!!!!!!!!! The person or "thing" or "controller" or "manipulator" or whatever name you want to assign who was in charge of feeding you the "sense inducers" could make you experience what they wanted.

Now I am not speculating that this is what is happening now but I'm saying it is theoretically possible only because at this extremely low backwards state of civilization and medicine it is not physically possible at this time. Just because something is not physically possible now does not mean it will always be physically impossible. Now that would be a bit spooky. Inside your brain there are experiences going off due to the 5 sense inducers hooked into your brain yet there are busy bee workers all around your brain wearing white suits yet you don't have the slightest awareness of them BECAUSE YOU ARE TIED TO THE 5 SENSES INDUCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Think about it, rather, don't think about it, let go of your thoughts for once in your life and experience what it's like without thoughts. A world where thoughts do not exist. Can you imagine? I don't think you can because you are still tied to thoughts.

Your 5 senses "trick" your brain into creating a hologram that does indeed "appear" real. And your 5 senses will certainly end IF IT WALKS IN FRONT OF A TRAIN because that is the programming! Did you know that there is 100 trillion times more empty space between the atoms that make up a train than the train itself? In other words looking at a train you see a huge, heavy object that can deal death. Yet that train is composed of billions and trillions and kazillions of rotating electrons, neutrons and atoms where the space between them is the same as the distance from the sun to Jupiter. BUT since you depend on the 5 SENSES you do not see the vast spaces, you see a train that can deal death. SO? WHAT IS IT? A train or a vast collection of spinning atoms where there is more emptiness than mass?


>>>You refer to your body as a vessel, so what is at the helm?

Something so far, far beyond words that I couldn't explain it to you if my life depended on it. If you speak of day to day activities it is the tiny point of energy that labels itself Oracle while temporarily on vacation on this rock.

One of my favorite quotes is this: If you have to ask, you'll never know.

Imagine a world without thoughts, forms, labels, names, and words. Now multiply that a trillion, trillion times. And then double that. Now imagine that state represents only one tenth of one percent of the Whole. If you get that far you have done better than 99.999% of the vacationers on this rock.

Most are so enamored of form they will do anything and I mean anything to hold onto it.

Until you can look at a table and understand there is 100 trillion times more empty space between the atoms in that table than makes up the total mass of "what you see" you will still be stuck in the "prove it to me" mentality.

And on the flipside until you can observe the universe and understand that the empty space you see between stars is no more empty than the table you will always be stuck in the "prove it to me" mentality.

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If the Great Pyramid had not survived, if the modern world had nothing in the form of knowlege except reports about it, had the Great Pyramid not continued to exist, there isn't a soul on Earth that would ever believe it had been built!

The universe conspires to let you experience your imagination.

If you were told the truth you would label the messenger a lunatic.

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Step right up Ladies and Gentlemen. Inside the tent you will witness the most amazing, most fearsome, most unusual, most frightening, most unbelievable animal you have ever seen in your life. Yes Ladies and Gentleman, today you will bear witness to Quantum Physics.

Life shouldn’t happen. It’s against The Second Law of Thermodynamics. This law simply says that provided no energy comes in from outside (known as a “closed” system) then things will either stay the same or wind down, like a clock that is never touched. Because of this law the idea of perpetual motion – a machine that runs without any energy input – is impossible.

An explosion in a lumber mill could never ever produce a fully formed house. An infinite number of chimps banging out letters on a typewriter for an infinite time will NEVER produce, even by accident, a play by Shakespeare. It is as unlikely as gravity reversing and throwing us all off into space. Statistics must always take second place to a law of nature.

Have you ever seen a volcano throw out a bike? The makeup of Earth is largely iron and carbon, which happen to be the two main ingredients involved in the making of steel. Steel is made by adding amounts of carbon to boiling iron under great heat, pressure and oxygen. Air contains 20% Oxygen and water contains nearly as much. All these are freely available in your friendly neighborhood volcano. To make a bicycle frame requires steel tubing. It is a very simple process.

Question: When did you last see a volcano throw out a fully formed bicycle frame? We have had 4,000 million years of volcanoes, and all the ingredients are to hand. In that same time (say the scientists) a microbe grew into a Tyrannosaurus Rex. So T. Rex is OK but why, in the time involved, aren’t we drowning in mountain bikes? The fact is that volcanoes have not only failed to produce a single bike frame, they have yet to provide a single sliver of steel. It’s a natural law. So where did T. Rex come from then?

A single protein is more complex than the wiring circuit of a mainframe computer, and a protein is one of the smallest building blocks in the human animal, or any other animal. To assume that one single example of animal life came about through a rave of microbes having a serious party in some volcanic soup is to assume that every wire, brick and pane of glass in Tokyo, Berlin or New York was created by accident. Human life starting on this incredible world by chance is statistically impossible AND denies a fundamental Law of Physics. And yet not only do we have life – but in profusion.

Walk past any park and notice the different types of leaves. Why so many, when one type would do? Why such over-abundance when simple grass would do the job admirably? The evidence around us every day says that something or someone or (according to your persuasion) the workings of pure chance, has gone completely over the top: a madness of profusion. We are overwhelmed by overabundance.

We float in heavens of incomprehensible size and beauty. There are more species of insect than we have managed to count in the last 200 years. There are sea creatures so far down in the oceans that they have never seen light, yet they breed and reproduce in harmony with the moon’s cycles; a moon they have never seen. Without this harmony the earth would spin out of orbit into the endless void of space. No life, chaos everywhere; everything running down. If there was only one living thing on the whole planet – a microbe - it would still have been an impossible creation - against a natural law that has withstood every attempt to dispute it for 100 years, and at statistical odds that no hard-nosed betting man would ever take.

You’re a miracle inside a miracle. You know this. Deep down you know it. But the routine of life has blinded us all to its beauty. Primitive cavemen concentrated on survival, yet they found time to create art. Modern life is supposed to be about leisure but we have no time to stand and stare. What you don’t know, and will find hard to believe, is the amount of control over your life, this life, you really have.

Let me prove to you right now that even at an elementary level, you can change your world …

You’ll need a nice day filled with big, fluffy clouds that are moving at a gentle pace. Lie down in the sun, chill out. Take some rays.

While you’re contemplating the meaning of life, check out the edges of some of those clouds. You’re looking for a small wisp of cloud, a tiny one that’s broken away from a main cloud. Focus your eyes and your thoughts upon that wisp of vapor. Stare at it and will it to go away. Demand, with confidence, that it disappear, and it will. Just watch.

As a beginner you have to practice on tiny cloudlets. Eventually, with practice, you will be surprised at how effective this can be on bigger ones. And there you are. You’re not changing yourself, you’re changing the reality around you. Weird or what?

Sometimes we forget that we are not just in this world, we are part of it. We not only have a right to be here but if you believe any or all religious writings, then it was created for us. We have control. God, whoever and whatever you perceive Him to be, has given us the channel changer.

Unfortunately this experiment will not impress hard-nosed skeptics who will insist that the clouds were disappearing anyway, but we’ll move on.

The Blue Feather

This one often works well but has to be done properly. Make a note of what the date and day will be exactly one week from now. For the sake of argument let’s say it will be Friday the 12th of March.

Now take a piece of paper and write: On or before Friday 12 March a blue feather has appeared in my life.

Blue feathers are quite rare. When was the last time you saw one? Of course it doesn’t have to be blue, or even a feather. It can be a pink elephant if you want. Whatever you decide, write it down in the manner I have just described. Now first thing in the morning, immediately on rising, find a quiet place and read out this statement to yourself. If you can’t read it out loud, then mouth it as a whisper but move your lips. The more sound and action you put into it the better. Immediately after reading it, close your eyes and visualize this blue feather (or whatever). Feel confident. Smile to yourself as you visualize yourself suddenly noticing a blue feather in the street, or seeing one on the floor. Put emotion into it. You will see later that it is the emotion you put into it that makes things happen. Do this twice a day, first thing in the morning and last thing at night, every day for one week. I guarantee that within that week, or on the day, you will have come across some image of what you have visualized. You may see it on a billboard, or a TV advertisement, or it may actually have come into your life in your Aunt’s hat, or a photograph. But it will appear, quite magically, almost spookily into your life.

Skeptics will still argue that this just increased your sensitivity to something that was there all the time but your mind had filtered out. When little green men float out of a flying saucer that’s just landed in Washington DC, skeptics will still argue it’s a publicity stunt right up until the time the death ray hits them.

You are not changing yourself. You have not noticed something that was there anyway and hadn’t noticed before. You created the feather. You are changing reality. And if you think this is spooky then you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

There is a third experiment that works so well I use it all the time. I find car parking spaces with it in busy towns. Just before I leave I spend a few moments visualizing where I need to park. I see the street or parking lot full of cars – until I arrive, and then a car leaves just in time for me to park my car in his space. I see this in my mind’s eye before I start the car, feel good about it and then drive toward my destination in the confident expectation that my parking place has been pre- booked. I reckon this works over 90% of the time – far beyond the normal mathematical chance of this occurring by accident. Try it. It works.

But you’re not changing yourself. You’re changing something else outside of yourself. In this example it could be argued that you changed someone else’s day just by thinking about it. Crazy? No. Not at all. This is beyond crazy. This is quantum physics.

You were separated from Creation eons ago in order to gain new experience. All your pointless searching is a metaphor that you wish to return home. What you are searching for won't be found in religion, sex, drugs, alcohol, jobs, friendship, family, activities, hobbies, travel, books, movies, TV, media, schooling, advanced degrees, worldly fame, accolades, esteem, money, wealth, MTV or a million other distractions you mistakenly call happiness.

Routines (programming) keep you where you are, in the same place. But most of all, the big problem with routines (programming) is that they stop us noticing something very important. We are blinded by them. They stop us noticing the world we are living in. We take the seasons, the sun rising, green grass, trees, the air we breathe, even life, for granted. Above all it stops us seeing that we are living inside a miracle; that we are miracles within a miracle. We shouldn’t even be here; life is against the laws of physics! And those very few people who see this, and study it, discover a strange truth. Not only are we miracles inside a miracle, but we can change things. We have the power. Not only are we in The Matrix, but like Keanu Reeves’ Neo, we can control it. You ARE Neo and YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF IT!! Like a prince stolen at birth raised in utter poverty is not even aware he is a King by birthright.

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Oracle2959: You have way to much spare time on your hands. Get a job!

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You dark_vader, are the perfect posterchild for birth control.

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Wake up

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Those examples happens to me all the time. The frequency scares me a little because i don't try to do it but it happens anyway. It happens a lot... examples:

I changed my course to go home. I saw a book store. I have not seen it before. I looked to the books. I searched the book i want to buy. I said "ok. The Mist is somewhere around here." And it was there. I read it. I like the book. It was different to other king writings. I wonder it was ever filmed. I want it to be filmed. I searched it in imdb and i found out they have started the production on this month.

All are coincidences?. "Don’t mistake coincidence for fate" The biggest coincidence lately happenned is about the tsunami disaster. It was like i saw it. No i didn't saw it. I just make a prediction on "What if a tsunami happens in these times. It will be like..." It was just a comment. I would have never thought it again if it did not happen in one week with the exact details of my comment. I am not an oracle. I've just ran a simulation about tsunami in my head. Every man can do that. I think the timing was weird. I don't wanna talk about it but first example seems a little weak.(my friend looks suspiciusly to me)

OK. For being skeptic our brain can solve some stuff without we notice it. They will say "you pass the book store your brain saw it but you didn't notice it." But this works for some cases. I have never go to that way so i didn't know about the book store. I think the information about the book store supplied from somewhere else or someone elses. I want that book so bad my brain telepathically scans people around me and take the information(google it. download it. simple)Then in the right moment manipulated me to go to that book store.

I've learned a very rare used word which i've never heard of it. I heard it from people around me for 2-3 times in the following days.(this happens with 89 percent of my new words especially rare ones (also note that it's my first language i know which words are never used for years) I wanted a movie, no i wanted J. Carpenter's Apocalypse Trilogy. My roommate come with the movies in that week. I am very very lucky or fate loves me or I have a potential.(may be i am using all of it. This is the limit of my ability.)

I learned a word about fireman's literature. That week a n oil ship burned down three firemans burned very badly and the chief used that word twice in his speech. I was scared because i thought "in ages that word will never be spoken. It was an unreal word nobody ever used it"

If i kept a diary about these stuff. I have to buy a new shelf maybe shelves.

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This $hits deep yo. Thought Provoking.



"I use racism as a tool to combat other racists" - homeopt

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The idea of this world not being real is very interesting, we could also all be part of somebody's imaginary world. some creature in a world we wouldn't be able to imagine.

Even science wouldn't be able to proof it, because it would simply also be part of the whole "simulation"

Our would might just be a simulation game, or even an mmorpg from another world, but if this world isn't "real" then its probably more complicated and un-imaginable.

If this world would be a simulation, then the real world would be a lot like the simulation. or at least based on "the real world".

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This is really weird. Sometimes if im just sitting in my room daydreaming about whatever and i really think hard about it, it comes true but what i daydreamed about doesnt happen to me but it happens to my friends. Its pretty freaky like if i thought about like 2 years ago then it would end up happening now there really is no time frame for what would happen but it would end up happening in some way.

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Perhaps us Human Beings are completely fictional. Maybe we are a program used by a different race, such as what we consider Aliens. Maybe we are all part of a supercomputer database. Perhaps our technology is more a matter of our controller's being able to update our program world.

Think of everytime something weird has happened to you, or you think you've seen a ghost, or something unreal. Maybe it's all simply a glitch in the program. And yes, I know a lot of this sounds like dialogue from The Matrix Trilogy.

But another question would be this: If our world was a simulation, what would be the point? What are we being used for. What is our expected purpose?

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how about; marketing research?

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