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About the death penalty


in prison murderers have alot more privileges than they should have,almost to the point where its like paradise.So if thats the way it is in prison than they all might as well be put to death since that would seem like the only real punishment.

I'm gonna die unless you kill me!

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Trial by jury is not perfect. But, unless an infallible means of finding out the truth about a murder is discovered, it's the best form of justice we've got. Assuming that, in most cases, a jury finds someone guilty who is in fact guilty, the death penalty seems the proper approach. It has never been proven that the death penalty is a deterrent to capital murder. But, it can be reasonably assumed that it's one heckuva deterrent to repeat offenses.

The only problems I see surrounding the death penalty have been "created" by those activists who oppose it ... namely the costliness of the lengthy process. These could be solved by expediting the appeals process ... and shortening the time between the "final" verdict and the actual execution. No one should EVER have to spend more than a year on death-row.

FWIW, just one final thought. I've never liked the ideas of hanging, death by gas, electrocution, or death by lethal injection. My preferred method of capital punishment is the firing squad - as was recently used in a Utah execution. It's very quick and painless. I'd only add one thing to that - something done in China. After a murderer is executed by firing squad, the bill for the bullets is sent to the murderer's next of kin.

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wow, and people claim that the human race has evolved since the middle ages

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reservoirdog1986 wrote:

wow, and people claim that the human race has evolved since the middle ages

Most of the crimes that occur today (barring technology crimes) existed in the middle ages. Trial by jury has existed for about as long ... however, being considered "innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt" is a relatively new concept. So, I suppose that could be considered "evolved." Still, the words "reasonable doubt" imply the human potential for making a mistake - as opposed to "all" doubt.

Here's a thought, though. In the middle ages, a murderer like Charles Manson would have been executed very quickly after his guilty verdict. Manson, today, is still alive and well in Corcoran State Prison (California). Somehow, the idea of allowing someone like Manson to live off the taxpayer doesn't sound like evolution. It sounds more like idiocy. And it doesn't seem like keeping him alive makes us "better" than Manson, only "stupid."

Humans will always make mistakes. Juries, too. But nowadays, with the advent of DNA evidence to prove guilt or innocence in capital crimes, these mistakes can be minimized somewhat. Humans are not perfect - but we're always trying to find new ways to minimize that imperfection. So, I suppose that is a form of evolution, too.

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Stupid? Rather than giving a murderer the easy way out, he's alive and well but without the freedom to enjoy it all which is what makes life worth living. And in the mean time, we have the satisfaction of not stopping down to a murderer's level or having killed a murderer by mistake.

Snow falling and night falling fast, oh, fast
In a field I looked into going past...

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Yorick Brown wrote:

Rather than giving a murderer the easy way out, he's alive and well but without the freedom to enjoy it all which is what makes life worth living.

You mean things like free food, free clothing, free shelter, free medical and dental care, free newspapers, free library, free cable TV, etc., etc.?

Yeah, see what you mean (snarf). A tough life indeed.

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Medical and dental care and food (not of your choosing) and clothing (also not of your choosing and limited to a jumpsuit) is solely to keep you alive so you'll have to suffer not being able to live. You're locked up in a dingy cell with the fear of rape and other forms of violence against you and the knowledge you won't be able to enjoy fresh air and daylight and the ability to do whatever you want for years or even decades.

Snow falling and night falling fast, oh, fast
In a field I looked into going past...

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Inmates do not spend their entire existence in their cells unless they've been "bad" and are given solitary confinement. And fears of rape and other forms of violence are not confined to prisons. However, I doubt if any other prisoner would risk provoking a certified wacko like Manson who, like he did on the outside, probably has his own "groupies" to watch his back.

Nope. I consider keeping Manson alive an example of cruel and unusual punishment to the taxpayer - especially taxpayers who happen to be relatives or friends of Sharon Tate, et al.

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The death penalty is barbaric and makes those that support such acts no better than the criminals who commit the crimes. There are many other reasons not to have the death penalty like the cost, the chance a person is truly innocent etc.

Just look at the Guildford and Birmingham bombings where innocent people were convicted and imprisoned for more than 15 years before being found innocent... had they been executed nothing could have been done about the wrongful convictions and imprisonments.

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