The worst part in this movie is when Eastwood takes his daughter to the zoo and keeps saying "speed zoo" over and over again. He sounds so disgusting and the scene makes no sense.
Also the daughter twice says "Daddy I want to see the hippopotamus" and the second time you can tell they used the same sound clip because it sounds exactly the same and looks dubbed.
"Speed zooooooo....speeeeeeed zoo" WHAT???
The point of the scene was to illustrate his problem. He's always putting things before his daughter. It's really sad IMO. I felt bad for the girl when she was asking to see the hippo. All she wanted was to spend some time with him, and he blew her off. THAT was the purpose of the scene. It makes perfect sense in the context of the film.
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"He was born of hate, and raised with your twisted ideals. What did you expect from him?"
Okay I must apologize for the "the scene makes no sense" part. It obviously has a meaning in the film, as you said. I just found the scene kind of strangely edited, at least on TV when I saw it (on TNT). Maybe it was changed for television.
I'm also biased against Clint Eastwood...I can't stand him ever since I saw that he made some film High Plains Drifter where he rapes women and seems so proud of himself (the film also perpetuates the rape myth - the woman ends up LIKING it).
"I just found the scene kind of strangely edited, at least on TV when I saw it (on TNT). Maybe it was changed for television."
I just watched it again on TNT and I agree absolutely. Although it did have purpose in the film, it wasn't anything like the rest of the movie. It looked like it was shot very hastily, edited very poorly. It was very repetitive, and I could see how it would irritate you. I had a different memory of it before watching it again- after seeing it recently, I concur that it really did take you out of the film (even though it obviously had a point.)
"I'm also biased against Clint Eastwood...I can't stand him ever since I saw that he made some film High Plains Drifter where he rapes women and seems so proud of himself (the film also perpetuates the rape myth - the woman ends up LIKING it)."
To be fair, you should hate the movie, not the actor. You can hate his role in the movie, but you really shouldn't dislike him just because he played that role (I've never seen it, but it doesn't sound like I'd like the movie either.) Clint has played lots of good guys, and he's a pretty nice guy IRL (from what I've heard, at any rate.)
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"He was born of hate, and raised with your twisted ideals. What did you expect from him?"
<<<<To be fair, you should hate the movie, not the actor>>>>
Well Eastwood actually DIRECTED High Plains Drifter, so he is responsible for its content, which shows that women LIKE to be raped and come back for more...and this is not even corrected in the movie; it's shown as if it's true.
I don't know about Clint in real life; I never try to guess about celebrities. He may be nice. I never said I "HATE" him...I just don't respect him as a filmmaker because of what I saw.
Thanks for the reply though! :-)
I don't know Clint either, but I do know that he can be very provacative when he means to be. In this instance he is not really saying "women like to be raped." He's saying, "I'm showing you what rape means, how some people feel about rape, how rape is portrayed in books, art, movies, the mentality of the rapist. Think about it."
In the same way, directors and producers make horrific films about war but they are far from advocating war. They are making a statement -as in Platoon, or The Thin Red Line.
A smart director doesn't have to hit his audience over the head to make a point. Eastwood can also be very subtle in his message, and most of his films have a message. That's why I respect him.
That may be true. I just don't think it's a good idea to try to make a subtle point like that in a western film. Westerns are not meant for an audience that wants to go into a film and look for hidden messages. So it's very dangerous to depict such a harsh turn of events and leave the satire so subtle. That's much different from war films, which are usually historical (so they're just telling a story that really occured) and/or moralizing in an obvious way.
share"I'm also biased against Clint Eastwood...I can't stand him ever since I saw that he made some film High Plains Drifter where he rapes women and seems so proud of himself (the film also perpetuates the rape myth - the woman ends up LIKING it)."
C'mon, it's just a movie! It's not that Eastwood likes to rape women in real life. Do you hate Geoffrey Lewis and Scott Walker to? They killed an innocent man, and they where proud of themselfes. I'm a girl, and I hate rapings and rapers (afcourse!), but this movie (high plains drifer) is one of my favorite movies.
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I'd just like to say that I find the rape scene in HPD very distasteful particularly as it is carried out by the film's hero.
Of course "it's just a movie" - but I'm just a film-goer.
"I'm also biased against Clint Eastwood...I can't stand him ever since I saw that he made some film High Plains Drifter where he rapes women and seems so proud of himself (the film also perpetuates the rape myth - the woman ends up LIKING it)."
What about in Pale Rider when he stops a rape in progress or in The Outlaw Josey Wales where he stops two rapes???
It is absolutely ridiculous to be biased against and actor of something like that. That rape scene was nothing compared to the scenes today, do you hate all of those actors and film makers also?
I think another point of the "speed zoo" was to reenact the "dead man's curve" crash that appeared in the beginning of the film. Eastwood seemed to have Art in mind when directing that film; there's a form cut of a doughnut being dunked in coffee which cuts to cigarette butts being dunked into a toilet.
shareA) Eastwood was supposed to be playing a misogynistic, villainous anti-hero in High Plains Drifter, and the woman that he rapes is an immoral trollop herself. It's just part of the movie's darkly nihilistic moral scheme. Another woman in the film, however, is portrayed with much greater dignity.
B) Overall, Eastwood carries a critical reputation of being a feminist filmmaker. In fact, in 1984, Roger Ebert termed Eastwood "America's major feminist filmmaker."
Speed zoo..............c'mon, it was supposed to be funny..............and guess what............. IT WAS.
shareI thought the speed zoo scene was really funny and sad. It did show what a pathetic self centered man he was - but it tickled me until the little girl fell and was hurt and then you realised how sad it was that her father caused her harm through his thoughtless actions. It was a like a metaphor to show how he treated the people in his life in general. There to please him but not to slow him down and make him consider others first.
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Genuinely one of the funniest scenes I've ever seen, howling!!!
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I have to agree with you and Vardox. The scene made sense but felt very awkward. Maybe that was the point? After all, how often would you find a father with his kid in a stroller running through the zoo screaming "speed zoo".
shareSpeed Zoo is one of the finest examples of a bad decision. Directing is making decisions and his decision to convey the story in the manner he did is off the charts wrong. The scene makes me wince.
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