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PROOF KURT COMMITED SUICIDE. End of story.


I can't believe the amount of biased sites fooling their readers about Kurt's death. There's no proof out there that points to murder. I'll explain:

LEVEL OF MORPHINE IN KURT'S BLOOD
Kurt's autopsy was never made public, it's illegal. The toxicology report is private and only Kurt's family is allowed to ask for copies. Kurt's wife, father, mother, sister, half-siblings, step mother and step siblings believe Kurt commited suicide, and these people have access to the autopsy report.

1.52 mg/l of morphine in blood? That's what The Seattle Post Intelligencer printed it citing "a source". Who is the source? We don't know.
Did the source exist or just a made up story to sell copies? Who knows. Was the source right? The newspaper wasn't shown anything, just words from "a misterious source". The Kurt had three times the lethal dose is nonsensical because nobody knows what the amount of morphine in his blood was.

The theory of Kurt being sedated with diazepam in order to be murdered is nuts too: Kurt was in rehab and his doctor says he was given Valium there (which is diazepam). This drug stays for days in the system (5 days). Last time Kurt was given valium was April 1st, he died April 5th (do the math).

LACK OF FINGERPRINTS?
There were fingerprints at the scene. From official reports:
- shell: a latent print card was lifted
- casing: a latent print card was lifted
- red print: no legible prints
- shotgun: 4 cards of latent prints were lifted

So 6 cards of prints were lifted from the scene.

Authorities explained the prints were not legible because of excessive sweat (common in suicide cases because the victim gets really nervous) and because of the movement the shotgun makes when fired (the friction makes the prints illegible).

SUICIDE NOTE NOT WRITTEN BY KURT? No proof at all.
The real note was examined by a forensic document examiner of the Washington State Patrol. She determined that "The note, item 1, was written by Kurt Cobain". She's the only person in the entire world who has examined the real note. Other experts were given photocopies of a fax, really bad quality. They said the last lines might have been written by a different person but they needed the real note (it's the only way to know how the traces were done).

We don't know when the note was written. What if Kurt wrote the body of the note April 2nd and added the first and last lines April 5th while on drugs? It's known that people under the influence can't write properly (a drunk person trying to open a door with a key rings a bell, right?).


Links that proof I don't lie:
Shotgun fingerprint analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/shotgun_prints_3 .gif
Pen, shells and casing fingerprint analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/spd_fingerprint_ analysis_pen_gun_1.gif
Handwriting analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/handwriting_resu lts.gif
Transcript of The Seattle Post Intelligencer: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/coverage/newspapers/seattle_post.shtml
Instructions to ask for a copy of the autopsy report: http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/examiner.aspx

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I think your logic is faulty. Your post title reads "PROOF KURT COMMITED SUICIDE. End of story.", in caps like a crazy person screaming.

You have presented no proof for suicide, just attempted to debunk the facts of the case. Debunking and proving something are two different things.

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I'm not a fan of Courtney Love. I think she's creepy and affected (although i kind of liked Hole's first album but that's not really relevant)...anyway, this douchebag Broomfield guys intentions are about as transparent and overreaching as you can get- it is pathetic. Clever prick that he is (I'll give him that) hbasically knew going in that his audience would be 13-20 year olds-a demographic that has, at least at that age, a less than refined ability to distinguish between "Kurt & Courtney's" disingenuous and extrapolating example of emotional manipulation and..... fact. A big, greasy turd.

" How 'bout that dipper, Bob?"
ONE EYED JACKS, 1961.

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Lack of proof that a man was murdered isn't enough to prove that a man committed suicide. That's like saying that aliens don't exist, there is no way you ever could.
I'm actually on the fence on this one like I am for Marilyn Monroe's tragedy. Courtney was more than capable of killing him, Kurt was more than capable of killing himself but who really know's?
I really like the part where his best friend says, "man if I thought someone killed Kurt, that person would be dead". That really says a lot about people in general. You could spend your whole life thinking your a single child, but what if one day your identical twin showed up? Everything you swore to and fought against means nothing. Maybe in 20 years we'll find out what really happened.
What I have learned through the past year of leisurely researching this is that either there is reason to believe Kurt was murdered, or police work ain't as good as it should be. Courtney is crazy, anybody can commit suicide, and money rules all.

Thanks for the info, I gotta look into that now.


"God bless those who have the balls to stand up for what is right."

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what?

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I completely agree with the fact Kurt committed suicide.
The people that believe he was murdered have the same mentality of 9/11 "truthers"
They either will not look up anything that counters their beliefs, or if they do find evidence that goes against their beliefs- they completely disregard it. They hold on to their conspiracy beliefs for some psychological reasons.
I know because I was a firm believer in the JFK conspiracy and was the same way.

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You nailed it, it's so obvious Mr. Cobain killed himself. I feel bad for kids believing the nonsense of the conspiracy Sherlocks.

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I think when someone who is beloved dies, that the people who love that person are angry and they look for someone to be angry at. That's why I think people try to blame Courtney.

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The results of autopsies and toxicology reports are a matter of public record. Obtaining them isn't illegal - you just have to pay for them. Same with death certificates. If it were illegal, there wouldn't be public announcements of CODs when a celebrity dies. TMZ even posts them for cryin' out loud.

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You're so wrong. In Seattle autopsy reports are only given to family members after paying $50. Investigator reports are given to non-family members with private info redacted. If you're a family member, you get the full report after paying $20.

From Seattle's (King County) Medical Examiner page:

1. To obtain an autopsy report, YOU MUST BE A FAMILY MEMBER OF THE DECEASED.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/examiner.aspx

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You're so wrong. In Seattle autopsy reports are only given to family members after paying $50. Investigator reports are given to non-family members with private info redacted. If you're a family member, you get the full report after paying $20.


*Sigh* I obviously should have said that MOST states allow these records to be obtained since I don't know the laws for every single state in the country. Regardless, it only takes one "family member" to get the info and another person to copy it and it ends up online. These records aren't secret or difficult to obtain like most people assume.

By the way, that link doesn't work but don't let that stop you from being a snot.

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By the way, that link doesn't work but don't let that stop you from being a snot.


I didn't see anything in that person's post that indicated that he or she was being a "snot". The way I read it, they just posted facts about Seattle. It's OK to disagree...

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If the 1.52mg/l of Morphine in his blood is incorrect, why hasn't anyone with access to the actual report, come forward to debunk it? If Courtney had actually challenged that back in 1994, It would've stopped a lot of the conspiracy talk from growing. The fact that it has never been challenged tells me that its true.
They did lift some latent prints, but none of them were legible. Of course the rifle had prints since his hand was still gripping it, but what about the note itself, the doorknob to the room, the can of soda, the cigar box, even the pen should have had legible prints and it didn't. also hastily wiped prints can leave latents behind. I would like a second opinion on that letter, if the SPD declared that it was a suicide, while his body was still in the greenhouse, who knows how throughly they looked at it. I'm still more convinced of guilt due to Courtneys lack of legal action against either Tom Grant, or the two guys who wrote Love and Death, than anything else.

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I would imagine that the coroner could tell by the blood spatter velocity whether the wound was self-inflicted or not.

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First of all look at the date of your "proof".

The date that they checked for fingerprints was 5/6/94. THAT'S FROM WHAT YOU ARE USING AS EVIDENCE. Kurt died a month later. Why did it take a MONTH to check it?

The handwriting analysis report from other experts said it was traced.

Even Courtney loves friend and God mother to her daughter said that.

I will take the word of tom grant who was the investigator that courtney hired who first thought about it.

i will take the word of some of the leading forensic investigators, medical doctors, and even the past police chief of Seattle who says the case should be reopened.

Also during an investigation YOU NEVER say it was a suicide. The coroner put it on the same day. You wait and you see. You say it's an apparent overdose or an apparent suicide. You dont' officially say it.

I'm in the medical field and I know investigators and coroners. This case stinks from the top down.

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To cover her ass, and point suspicion away from her.

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The best defense is a good offense.

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You didn't prove anything. I had always just assumed he committed suicide. Only just recently had I come to suspect he may have been murdered. I don't think you can prove it conclusively in either direction, but unless you are stupid or naieve, you should be able to see there is at least the possibility he was murdered.


“There are no ordinary moments. There is always something going on.” – Peaceful Warrior

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