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Worst picture to have ever won the best picture oscar


Harvey Weinstein must have slipped some serious wads of cash to win over Saving Private Ryan

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Good heavens, what an original comment. Nobody has ever mentioned that before.

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I know a lot of senior citizens came out of the cinema weeping after watching SPR because they thought they were going to see a film about commercially funded Pension plans sponsored by Ryan O'Neal. Perhaps the bad publicity surrounding this put Oscar voters off. What do you think?

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I just wish people would go and discuss SPR and how American won the war over on the SPR board, and leave this one for discussions about Elizabethan literary japes.

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The beauty (and the reason) for this and other democratic boards is that people can discuss and express their opinions freely, without offending or insulting anyone, which is what I did.

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Yes indeed - sorry for being snide. But it's worth browsing any board before you post, to see if you can join an existing conversation, before you start a new one.

The subject of SPR versus SIL has been done to death, and is kind of pointless anyway, because the two films are made for such different audiences that comparison is impossible - it's not a case of apples and oranges, it's more like chrysanthemums and chains-saws.

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I don't think it is apples and oranges, if this was the case then awards and festivals would not take place. And also, I don't think movies are made for a particular audience, movies are just made and then it is up to the general public to embrace them or not. Of course it is my personal opinion that SPR should have won over SIL.
I guess the point of this thread is that Oscars is to a large extent influenced by political pressure.
If this topic has been already discussed then what can I say? Sorry for the inattention!

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And also, I don't think movies are made for a particular audience, movies are just made and then it is up to the general public to embrace them or not.


Well, I don't know. This is quite an interesting question. Surely when someone is pitching an idea for a film to the backers, they must discuss whether there is an audience for it? and if so, what kind of audience? This must influence what you put in the film. It's no good having wry comments about sharp practice in the theatre, neat references to Harold Pinter's foibles or academic jokes about Jacobean dramatists in a film intended for a big-screen blockbuster,Saturday night type audience, any more than it would be worth having a wealth of period military detail, highly dramatic action scenes or appeals to American patriotism in a film designed for the London art-house cinema market.

And they must need to know whether the project is worthwhile, how to advertise it, where to have the trial screenings, the première, and so on.

Ideas, anyone? Anyone in the film production industry want to comment?

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I think the answer is to categorize movies into best drama, best comedy, etc. to avoid comparisons like this. But I agree with the OP, in that SPR is simply a better film making achievement over SIL - on technical production grounds alone there is no question. And remember the "Academy" picked "How Green was My Valley" over "Citizen Kane"!

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The beauty (and the reason) for this and other democratic boards is that people can add their comments to existing threads on the same topic. This is what is known as discussion.

Instead of starting new threads that are identical to 26,982 other threads that they have not troubled to notice.

Which is also what you did.

At one point, a few years back, 80% of the thread titles on the board had the words "worst", "picture" and "oscar" in them.

SiL is, in fact, one of the most original, witty, best-written and best directed pictures ever to have won the Oscar and people who can't see the justice in at least two of those claims have not understood it.

I guess the point of this thread is that Oscars is to a large extent influenced by political pressure.
Same as all the others.

Anyway, spat over. But you have to understand why long term posters get a bit tee'd off with this behaviour.

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Nah. I loved it, and strongly felt it earned its BP Oscar. Never understood why bitter fanboys feel the need to trash the movie that beat out...whatever film they deem the best that year (Ordinary People gets this all the time as well) but whatever. I'm just glad we have both movies.

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"I'm just glad we have both movies"

So am I though I do believe Shakespeare in Love is the superior film and the Academy arguably (it will always be arguably) got it right.

The claim that this wonderfully scripted, acted, directed and costumed film is the worst to have ever won best picture is just laughable.

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This is nowhere near the worst film to ever win the Best Picture Oscar, and I'd like to bet you only think this because it beat Saving Private Ryan.

I think the Best Picture race this particular year was very tight because three of the best films I've ever seen were up against each other: Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, and Life Is Beautiful. IMO each could have won the prize had they been nominated in separate years. I think they split a lot of votes unfortunately and Shakespeare in Love won by default.

I really like this movie, but I wish the academy had given the award to Saving Private Ryan. Not only do I think it's more deserving, but if it had won so many people's views of Shakespeare in Love, a delightful film, wouldn't be tainted.

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I'm going to guess you have never seen The Greatest Show on Earth.

Datta, dayadhvam, damyata.

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Oh shut up! u dont´t now the essence of love! what a woderful picture!

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SPR has been done to death, WAR has been done to death, so disagree let the Bard & Love have the day. The music was so damned good, perfect.

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I challenge that assertion with Slum Dog Millionaire.

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^ This. Shakespeare in Love is a better film then SPR, and not nearly as bad as SDM, Crash, The Hurt Locker, The Artist, Argo, Driving Miss Daisy, Return of the King (my vote for worst ever Oscar winner), A Beautiful Mind, or Chicago. Now SPR has some really great scenes in it. Unfortunately, for the most part the story is horrible. Let us not forget the terrible framing device, that I hope was tacked on at the last minute because it is some of the worst directing Spielberg has ever done. SIL has it's issues here and there, but it does have one of the best screenplays ever written going for it; and for the most part acted and put together rather nicely. Though my vote, that year, would have gone to Thin Red Line, which blew every film out the water that year.

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What an absurd statement. "Saving Private Ryan" was comic book pap for the rabble. The worst of the five films nominated that year. But to go with your premise, best picture winners have not set a very high standard. And based solely on "Shakespeare in Love's" screen writing and editing (although the other elements were all excellent) it was a far better film than a lot of best picture winners. To cite a handful of far worse best picture winners: "Dances with Wolves", "The Last Emperor", "Out of Africa", "Terms of Endearment", "Ordinary People", "Kramer vs. Kramer", "Gladiator", "Lord of the Rings", and "A Beautiful Mind". Not to mention older (but not ancient) stuff like "The Sound of Music", "West Side Story", "Gigi", "Around the World in 80 Days" (probably the worst ever winner), "The Greatest Show on Earth", "All About Eve" (which actually won over "Sunset Blvd").

Of course "Shakespeare in Love" requires a viewer with the capacity to employ a little self-knowing whimsy. Someone lacking that ability would find the positive reactions to the film a bit puzzling.

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It's easy to say now, but if you weren't absolutely blown away by the opening scene of SPR upon release, you are a bald faced liar.

And this, is why award shows are so meaningless. Films of conpletely different genres and tastes compete for the same prize. It's assinine.

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Comic book pap? So movies have to be intellectually challenging to win best picture? Private Ryan blew the doors off this boring love storu
.talk about comic books, how bout dime store romance novel of a movie. Lol you little insignificant turd.

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Except that SiL wasn't a love story'; the love story is just the McGuffin. it was a comedy about theatre, and a satire on Shakespeare scholarship, and a spoof of just about every Shakespeare film that has ever been made. If all of that went way over your poor dull head, no wonder you didn't appreciate it.

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