Was there even a hint of why they did what they did? What was the point, what did they gain? Terrorists always have a reason, usually revenge, expression of desperation, or religious fanaticism, but what was the reason here?
Seems like most violent terrorism is just envy; "I can't have peace and prosperity, so you can't either", in other words, misery loves company.
They want to destroy/overthrow the government. Where is the mystery there?
shareI thought that they already had - in 2008? ;O)
Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.
"They want to destroy/overthrow the government. Where is the mystery there?"
Really, I don't remember anyone saying that in the movie? Also, what does destroy/overthrow mean? Destroy implies kill everyone, so how are you going to do that, with a nuclear bomb? Then what, you rule from outside the kill zone? I doubt that and I doubt any terrorist plans that. Overthrow implies replace, oh that sounds easy, right?
My point is terrorism, as it's depicted in this film, and to a degree as it is in the real world, is petty and small and annoying and does nothing except make you spend more money on security.
1) See the movie again. And watch it more closely.
2) Read about recent history. Like, for instance the Oklahoma City bombing.
3) Look up the word "destroy". It does not automatically imply "kill everyone".
4) Research how many times in history people attempted to do things despite the fact that they didn't "sound easy". In fact, you'll be hard-pressed to find historical events that were attempted because people thought they'd be easy to accomplish.
I'd say you have some growing up to do. But I also can't ignore the fact that at least you're asking the questions.
Films like this, and people like you, give rise to unjustified paranoia that any of these extreme people have any real power over you or any real ability to change anything through mindless violence. They don't.
sharePeople like you get awfully wound up and defensive about having your worldview questioned.
shareIt's not "my view", most intelligent people know what I'm saying is true.
shareGotta wonder how many intelligent people you know. You aren't even terribly coherent in your posts.
But then, that's such a specious comment anyway. "I'm right, and I'm proving it by conjuring up 'intelligent people' that I don't have to actually produce."
Whatever. You don't want people to think about certain things. Don't worry; some people are only too happy not to have to think about anything. As for the rest...good luck with that.
lol . . . you have to be one of my favorite posters on any message board I've ever visited. It's hilarious to see how your clever acumen forces people you engage to examine how undeveloped and inaccurate their perspectives are . . . even if they do so in a reluctant and ultimately insincere fashion.
*high five* B-D
No one can be shown what the Matrix is, they have to see it for themselves . . .
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Are you implying the recession/Obama's election nullified The Powers That Be?
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If so, then I must insist that they merely shifted their ambitions to other areas . . .
No one can be shown what the Matrix is, they have to see it for themselves . . .
we don't know; we were led to believe that Tim Robbins was personally motivated to do all this, until the end when we realize he is part of a much larger organization. the nature of that organization and it's motives are left a mystery.
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Exactly, because any attempt by the writer to show exactly who that might be, and why, would be laughable. Because there isn't anything like them in our country, just white supremist and survivalist nutcases.
shareWhat chemical weapons Clinton and Janet Reno used on women and children in Waco leads the credence that terrorism comes from within our government walls. Those children deserved a better fate than that torturous death. No Waco, no OKC! The movie isn't that bad. Bridges makes anything watchable, as does Robins.
shareAgreed . . . any sophisticated terrorist attack is either a provocateur/synthetic black operation, developed, executed and covered-up by rogue elements working in the info-techno-tronic-military-industrial complex (that transcends any traditional concept of government). The transnational fascists truly responsible for 9/11 are the best example, although I wasn't even aware chemical weapons were used on the Branch Davidians.
Glad to see some awake mofoz on these message boardz, ya heard!
No one can be shown what the Matrix is, they have to see it for themselves . . .
I'm thinking a sequel that delved into that would be a good follow up. Maybe someone investigating Faraday and maybe getting something that the kid heard said that leads into other things. Then you could have this person discover this whole network
....but only if the good guy wins this time :)
What did they hope to accomplish? Do they think that blowing up a building will somehow stop the government from doing what it does? The government is huge, blowing up one building doesn't even make a dent. They could do what they do for the next 50 years and still wouldn't have done anything except kill a bunch of people that have nothing to do with what they are against. Why don't they figure out a way to blow up congress? I guess that's too hard...That's my take on it.
shareAre you saying blowing up two buildings on 9/11 didn't have a dramatic effect on the direction America has taken over the last ten years?
Terrorism can cause nations to change direction. Israel runs in a completely different way than most nations do due to terrorism. For years Northern Ireland suffered from terrorism and it was also a different place than most nations.
A prolonged campaign of terrorist activities can do much damage to the psyche of a nation.
These guys also were going around and setting up people to take the fall for them. I doubt they wanted to stop at one building. Taking out a building is probably like taking out a pawn on a chessboard for them. They move from there to setting up the next piece
Bombing federal buildings doesn't cause the country to change direction though, it's not like the FBI is just going to rethink the way it goes about it's business. Did anything change after the Oklahoma City bombing? Did anything change after the IRS suicide plane crash in Austin?
shareYou also have to realize that there are psychotic people in the world. They don't get their thrills from life the same way that the rest of us do. They actually enjoy doing things like killing people and blowing up buildings.
shareThat would be fine if it were just one crazy family, but like Oliver said, "there are millions of us". They were very organized, and clearly very intelligent.
shareWhen he said the millions of us comment I thought he was referring to the amount of people they could trick like Faraday into doing their dirty work.
For good fiction to work it should at least be partially based on fact. I'm not sure who the writers were referring to when they brought up that line. Maybe they were just going for the drama at that point.
I get that they're terrorists but what I don't get is why frame Michael Faraday. What's even more puzzling is why make him a lone nutcase? The point of most terrorism is to advertise a cause. They're usually itching to lay claim on an attack. I can't think of a reason why somebody would do all that to blow up the FBI in exactly that way and framing only Faraday as a lone nut seeking revenge for his wife.
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You have to remember, the "Militia" movement was a contradiction built upon contradiction. Being a member in a "Ohio Chapter", it never made sense to me, but being the "counterculture"(which was more than free spirited "hippies" and multi-culturalist) had collapsed and this seemed like the coolest thing around in 1992.
The fact I saw the word "Permindex" in some of the leaders spreadsheets was pretty damning and you all should know what that word means.
So here is my take on the "militia" or "Seppies" as I called them. The trigger goes back to the Volcker recession inspired "battle against inflation". A byproduct of it was a debt crisis in Rural America. The "Ag crisis" was it was called, created a ton of unemployed young men especially, creating a huge riff in power. A vacuum. The government under the Reagan Administration reneged on subsidies to cover the collapse and the poverty and unemployment was awful. Every remember Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp farm aid stuff eh? So the "global elite" took advantage of it by financing "Seppies" to keep the marginal white folk "in line" and the whole movement was a testament to that. It created a political dialect for them to loosely follow. Financed them with weaponry, which the legal arm of the federal government BY LAW would have to enforce seizure of illegal weaponry. Creating a dialectical "collision" of the illusion of personal rights being infringed on..........despite the US being one of the most liberal countries in the world on firearm ownership. Some branched into pro-white identity movements(which was a fraction though, and over repped in th e media), most into so called "freedom fighters" for individual freedom.........despite the US allowing the most individual freedom in the world. See the "dialect" in this.
To me, using Waco *beep* and child molester, multi-culturalist and pro-Israel baiter "David Koresh" was the ultimate dialectical ploy. Why come in on this guys side. Try to say the Government threw everything at somebody.......like this. Why? The guy was Jim Jones Jr. A pure scum and sleaze. People in Waco were BEGGING the government to shut him down in the early 90's. The child molestation was sickening and Koresh publicly admitted it. His devotees admitted this. So Koresh amazingly, gets his hands on army grade weaponry and picks a fight with the FBI and ATF. Blows his own place up for is own ego and these "milita's" which has been trolling below the surface come out in favor of this guy. The Republicans play good cops why the Democrats play bad cops......why WHEN THEY DID THE EXACT OPPOSITE WITH JIM JONES!!!!? 1.Who was financing the Davidians in the first place and who created the political dynamics afterwards?
This is the problem of modern day politics. It is becoming more and more dialectical and staged. The "Militia" movement was already in decline by 1995 because of the contradictions when somebody got Tim McVeigh to blow up a federal building in Oklahoma. By 9-11 it had lost 60% of its total force. A year later the Republican party passes a large subsidy plan which led to even further disintegration in the rural areas as the economy boomed. The rest were sad leftovers to a revolution that never happened.
End note: I don't count Mormons in this group. We all hated them.
I thought the militia wanted to strike at the FBI basically, maybe they were getting too close. They wanted to kill Faraday because he was getting close, and because of his wife's and her colleagues' investigation. And he certainly made a good patsy. It probably threw the FBI off the trail temporarily.
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