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what bothered me about this film



I didnt like the situation where the Mayor's wife sleeps with Skank because she says that "you dont touch me anymore". So that is the excuse why she slept with another man in the bed she shares with her husband? If there is a problem they should talk about it and work it out. No just go have sex with the town whore. Totally lame part of the story.

Also the kind of stereotypical part of the story where the guy from Pricemart I think it is ( sorry if I get the name wrong) gets accidentally shot by the star center of the hockey team in the grocery store. I mean its like "there is an outsider in our midst, we hate outsiders!" In the court case where the attorney representing the town quotes all the nasty things Michael Mckean's character said about the town... well if I had gotten shot when I didnt do anything wrong I would probably say a lot of derogitory things about the town too. Then when the jury says Mckean's character has to pay 42 grand to the town for the defamatory comments.. I thought that was lame too. The director uses these tired small town stereotypes as part of the story that I feel dont belong. Otherwise I like the movie.

Mike

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I can see your points.

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Yeah, you say some good points, but I think they were trying to establish a close-knitted community type atmosphere, cause even though the 42 thousand in damages came out of nowhere, the argument of now the Price Mart would destroy virtually every source of economny in the town is a valid point.

Thanks to the fact that Wal Marts are appearing in almost every Canadian town with a population of 5,000 or more, none of the local shops can compete, and a big chunk of what we spend goes right into the pockets of the USA.

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while that may be true I dont think it was right for the townspeople to have him pay damages after his comments about the town. I mean he got shot doing his job. Thats supposed to be ok. I dont like Walmart either when it comes to their business practices. I just dont like the stereotype attitude of the people that they dont like outsiders from the big city so lets shoot any that we see.

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Well he never did have to pay the damages. As the judge points out the jury had no right to make such a demand in a criminal court, and he was disgusted at everyone for their blatant bias. A jury is meant to be impartial after all.

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lol but the movie takes place in..... Mystery, Alaska. which means the United States, so wouldnt that be the U.S. sending money to the U.S. ?

i would also like to comment that while you may think its terrible that a wal-mart opens up in your town, you may not be remembering that most small businesses are specialty stores, not general stores; and that Wal-Mart usually saves the average family $2,000 to $4,000 which means alot more money around the house to support small businesses. believe me, communities that wal-marts move into do not dwindle to nothing.... they flourish. Wal Mart doesnt become the biggest company in the world by sucking money out of small towns. it becomes the biggest company in the world by offering everyday products at a very affordable price while leaving specialized business to the people in the community. ever wonder why the majority of people working at walmart are low-educated, or low skilled workers. its because they either did not go to school, or did not learn a trade. all throughout history that has resulted in you becoming a low wage worker. though walmart isnt making this worse, its making it better by offering things for less and making it so that the market opens up for more people to become highly skilled workers, and educated workers in an global economy that demands this. if everyone still owned there own mom and pop store and just sold ordinary crap where would we be? we wouldnt be employed designing groundbreaking cell phone and internet technology, or launching sattelites into space, making new computer technology, or designing ipods, or making huge leaps in medical technology. we would all just be a bunch of poor factory workers making crappy textiles and childrens toys, or working for minimum wage at a mom and pop store. we dont make low skilled industrial things like the products that are made in china.... like fake dog poop, or crappy stereo equipment. we make high skill level industrial products like cars, planes, computers, and construction equipment. we also dont make low skilled industrial products and dont work exclusively for small business becase were too busy becoming college educated and working for companies that design all of the products that are made overseas. why would i want to work minimum wage working in a factory that makes plastic parts when i could work at wal mart stocking shelves? why would i want to work at some crappy mom and pop store where i can barely make rent when i live in a country that has plentiful high paying jobs that require a high skill level. we move away from the old not because we are stupid, but because we have figured out a better way. also mom and pop small businesses never disappeared there just located at something called a shopping mall. its just that people reallized walking on a cold slippery street in the dead of winter, or a hot sweaty shopping experience wasnt what they were intereted in. and businesses owners no longer wanted 3 parking spaces with high rent locations. they wanted low rent locations with plenty of customers. main street never disapeared, it just moved indoors.

as a canadian i would expect you to know that last little bit since there are more shopping malls per citizen in canada than there are in america.

theres a reason why since america, and the rest of the worl moved away from mom and pop stores the poverty level went down while the middle, and upper middle class grew.



so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. lol just kidding, but really you should think about it, because its just true. take any economics class, you'll find out real fast.

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Here's what you are missing though. While Wal-mart can save the average family all this money if they shop there, they also end up costing other people their businesses. Yes, they could work at Wal-mart but they would rather be their own boss. In a town like Mystery, they don't need a business like Wal-mart because they are doing fine without it.

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But were they?

The line "what economy?" in response to the mayor's quote about the game helping the town's economy at the town hall meeting underlines that.

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Without trying to get into a huge political discussion, my objection is that WalMart and other big box stores sell so much made in other countries. Countries with which we have a huge trade deficit. The more we buy that is made in other countries, the fewer dollars and jobs there are in this country. It might look good in the short run but it's not a sustainable model.

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"I didnt like the situation where the Mayor's wife sleeps with Skank because she says that "you dont touch me anymore". So that is the excuse why she slept with another man in the bed she shares with her husband? If there is a problem they should talk about it and work it out. No just go have sex with the town whore. Totally lame part of the story."


Then you've never been in a relationship without passion. ANY passion. And the movie shows that she tries to talk to him, but he never talks to her. Hard to have a discussion that's only one-way. Also, the Mayor doesn't really seem to know how to talk about anything other than business, and is shown having a hard time talking or relaxing around women or any subject of a sexual nature.

People have divorced for reasons like theirs, it's not hard to imagine having an affair for it either.

As for your second point, the movie makes the point about the destruction of smaller shops once Pricemart moved into a town. They don't hate the guy because he's an outsider, they hate him because he's a threat to them and their businesses. And, as was pointed out both in the movie and by other posters, the guy didn't have to pay that money, as you can't award money in the case that was presented.

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I also had a problem w/ this part of the movie.
Not so much because of the affair itself, but once again,
with the utterly inconceivable way it was resolved.
The guy finds out about his wife & the town skank,
& the issue is resolved immediately- with no perceptible
emotion on his part whatsoever.
True, the character was not much for showing emotion,
but for goodness sake- your wife gives you some lame excuse,
and your only response is to hand her a hankie?
Regardless of the causes, give us some credit that
affairs are not handelled so casually.
The movie was totally devalued for me after this scene.
I couldn't buy the tidy H'wood outcome, and although I liked
it overall, it was no more than OK in my book.
Why even bother to show this scenario if the resolution
is so farfetched, predetermined, & instantaneous?

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Maybe he just understood her feelings. You could say that he was acknowledging that he maybe not been paying enough attention to her. Or may I'm full of crap.

He's taking the knife out of the Cheese!
Do you think he wants some cheese?

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No I can accept that. He seemed to look within himself. Also this was one of many stories and subplots and yes it was wrapped up easily but I think they portrayed both parties blamed themselves. Believe it or not that happens more than you think for that very reason.

As for the Michael McKeon character I saw it a little differently. Getting shot didnt make him get these feelings about the town, getting shot made him verbalize what he thought of the town even before he got there. He was a city slicker that didnt want to go to Mystery in the first place. If anything I thought it showed what makes small towns unique, with what a previous poster stated about Wal*Mart, I have not watched this movie with anyone who had any sympathy for Michael McKeons character. So it couldnt have been all bad.

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Something that I thought of, mostly because I have family in Alaska ... I'm not sure where Mystery was supposed to be in Alaska. But at the time this took place, they were in winter, December, when there is very little daylight. Anywhere from Homer and above would have a max of 3-4 hours of daylight, going down to pretty much none if they were very far north. If they were as far south as Juneau, they would have about 6 hours of daylight. I really was under the impression they were kind of remote, up north. So we really should have seen very little daylight there. And it seemed like we saw a ton. I don't know, maybe even a comment about "We have to practice at this time only, it's the time we get the daylight."

Maybe I'm beng weird, but like I said, if you know how Alaska is in the winter, it's something that will jump out at you.

JP

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I feel bad for Stevie Weeks. He just couldn't get it going with his girlfriend. Premature ejaculation is never funny.

"Funny thing, killin' a man. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have."

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My impression (probably based on being slightly familiar with Canmore, AB where it was filmed) was that it took place just barely above the border with British Columbia, somewhere around Ketchican and that area.

Let slip the Determined Kitten of Doom!

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It must be near Fairbanks, If Chuck was waiting for a car to take him there at the end of the film, at least that's where I imagine it (I live in Anchorage). Southeast Alaska is out of the question since you can't drive to Fairbanks from those towns unless you're taking the maritime ferry.

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I would have to agree with you, I live in Wasilla, AK. and i think that is the only place that i think it would be. Although the movie was filmed in Canada.

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The iffy script things i could overlook...(Mayor and hankie scene and the guy getting shot). But as a hockey fan, i was frustrated by the New york Rangers captain, #11, jackson or johnson or something. I don't care if they make up fake players, i know its tough to get NHLers to act, because of schedules and the fact that thhey probably suck at acting. But it takes about a half second of research to see that #11 on the rangers is Mark Messier. True, when this movie was made, messier was playing in Vancouver, but the rangers held his number for when he retired, and it is now retired officially. how hard would it be to look up the retired numbers and make sure none of the jerseys were number 1, 7, 11, or 35. For reference it just took me about ten seconds. Why couldn't he just be #12? because of laziness, and a lack of fact checking, which just embarrassed the film in the eyes of hockey fans.

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Well I have been in a relationship with real passion and was betrayed too. But in the case of the movie I dont see it as right to not try to work things out with the man that you are married to. If you want out then get a divorce then go sleep with who you want to. If you want the marriage to last then you find a way.

Also I know why the people didnt like the guy and I didnt like him either but I dont see that as an excuse to fire a warning shot at him. The kid at the store just could have told him no and to go away.

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You just can't enjoy anything, can you? Would you rather watch Dr. Phil instead?

By the way, this film was written by David E. Kelley, so that should have been warning enough not to expect realistic legal scenes.

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no I would not rather watch that hack. I know its a movie but too much of the cliches ruin it for me

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Yeah, its sad sometimes how they partway certain situations in movies. Though, I am sure this happens all the time, but that was kind of pointless to the whole story line of the movie. It was pretty much filler. And so was the Pricemart bit. Why even have that in there? So they can make fun of small town people.

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"I didnt like the situation where the Mayor's wife sleeps with Skank because she says that "you dont touch me anymore". So that is the excuse why she slept with another man in the bed she shares with her husband? If there is a problem they should talk about it and work it out. No just go have sex with the town whore. Totally lame part of the story."

As I've gotten older, and lived alot more life, I'd like to hope that I'm not as arrogant as to pass judgement and condemn people, especially when I know nothing beyond the most superficial details of their life and choices.

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I agree. It's just a movie, but in real life, no one really knows everything that goes in other relationships.

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It was a comedy.

Repeat after me. C. O. M. E. D. Y.

The guy was trying to fire a warning shot at the puppy chow but it ricocheted lol

The part where the guy called it a fvcking b*mfvck of a sh!thole was hillarious I was dying laughing.

They weren't making some big social comment or economic point or detailing how to handle real life relationships and issues - it was for laughs

And it was funny :)

Man this thread is kinda offbase - it's like you are trying to analyse, seriously, jokes. You're trying to have a serious deep and meaningful about stuff that was farce, parody, deleiberately over the top and sending up stereo-types for a giggle. It was a comedy.

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lol finally someone who knows how to suspend disbelief and not let stupid little things in movies bother them.

You want to play the game, you'd better know the rules, love.
-Harry Callahan

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