Hiring Ehren Kruger to pen this film. The man sucks as a writer, why didn't Kevin Williamson stay on to pen the film? It would've been considerably better.
shareHe was far too busy writing and directing that diabolical joey from Dawsons creek fame in Killing (at the time - before colombine) Mrs Tingle.
And look how that turned out...
Not as a big a mistake as hiring him AGAIN for the 4th movie. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
http://www.dorkly.com/post/73323/5-star-wars-prequel-complaints-the-internet-needs-to-retire
Ehren Kruger didn't pen the 4th film, Kevin Williamson did, and it was a lot better than the horsecrap that was Scream 3.
shareIt's no secret Krueger was brought in for rewrites. So enough Williamson to make it better than this, but not to enough to be as good as the first two.
http://www.dorkly.com/post/73323/5-star-wars-prequel-complaints-the-internet-needs-to-retire
I'm amazed at how many people can't see how bad Kevin's writing was for the second film.
I'm equally amazed at how fans aren't infuriated by him, he abandoned the franchise in favor of far lesser films, had 12 years to come up with the recycled garbage that was Scream 4, then walks away from the franchise again halfway into production.
He also plays ridiculous games in his interviews like he will be shot if he actually answers a direct question.
He's lied about his original Scream 3 treatment twice, given two completely different versions of what he orignally "intended".
He didn't even take part in the documentary Still Screaming...And Ehren Krueger actually did!
And everthing Kevin has written has been....less than stellar.
I'm not a big fan of Scream 2, and some people aren't fond of the Scream 3, but say what you will, 2 was rushed into production and faced many rewrites and 3 had 3 different writers battling to wrap up a story that another writer started.
Scream 4 had the original writer back, and 12 years to come up with some good stuff....Yeesh!
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
And Ehren's writing is actually better than Kevin's. See Arlington Road, The Skeleton Key, the Ring movies and the Transformer films he penned.
shareAnd Ehren's writing is actually better than Kevin's. See Arlington Road, The Skeleton Key, the Ring movies and the Transformer films he penned.
I stand by my statement.
shareAgreed all around
I'll take a potato chip...and EAT IT!!
Totally agree InTheHub!
Notice not one person even attempted to refute any of your points? Typical.
I like Scream 2 & 3 about equally but for very different reasons.
Scream 2 was a rush-job that would've greatly benefited from another 6-12 months of planning as far as the script goes before being released. The leaked script hurt the movie and they needed more time to re-develop the new script. Even still, I'm quite fond of Scream 2.
Like you've said before, people are willing to ignore or let slide the mistakes and inconsistencies of Scream 2 but nitpick every little thing about Scream 3. I think they're both pretty flawed but in different ways. I still love them regardless. I rate the first Scream 9/10 and both Scream 2 & 3 a 7/10.
Kevin Williamson is not the God his fans make him out to be. Even some of his initial ideas for the first Scream were really out there. But he struck gold with Scream regardless and had enough carry over ideas to make Scream 2 work for the most part. Don't forget Wes Craven's influence. Without him Scream may not have been anywhere near as good as it was with another director.
He abandoned the franchise to do his own little pet project Teaching Mrs Tingle which was really not a very good movie. Take away Helen Mirren and it's a pretty lousy movie with few if any redeeming qualities. What else has he done that's so great? Where has he earned this reputation as such a genius writer? What about Scream 4? If Kevin is so magnificent then why is Scream 4 which he had over a decade to work on such a lame and uninspired movie?
Kevin Williamson is most certainly overrated.
I think people that really dislike Scream 3 should watch it with the commentary track from Craven and Krueger. They set out to make a really fun movie and I think they absolutely succeeded. I've watched Scream 3 countless times and I never get sick of it. Sure it's not as scary or gory as the first 2 but it makes up for it in the fun department and dared to break new ground unlike Scream 2 which played it fairly safe.
Like you've said before, people are willing to ignore or let slide the mistakes and inconsistencies of Scream 2 but nitpick every little thing about Scream 3. I think they're both pretty flawed but in different ways. I still love them regardless. I rate the first Scream 9/10 and both Scream 2 & 3 a 7/10.
Maybe it's because out of all the sequels, Scream 2 is actually the best of the lot? Yeah, it has flaws, but the direction was great, the acting was spot on, the dialogue (whether you like Kevin or not) was sharp, and the suspense was real.
I mean, the scenes with Dewey and Gale in the sound rooms, and Sid and Hallie trapped in the cop car are some of the most suspenseful and well directed scenes of the entire series.
It seems pretty obvious that you have a sore spot for Scream 2, but it doesn't get a pass because of Williamson's involvement, it gets its pass due to it actually being a solid sequel.
...also, all this talk of '12 years and that's all he could come up with for Scream 4'. Have you heard about how the company butchered his original ideas, which ended up with them delivering the same movie we've seen 3 times already? Which also led to Kevin leaving during production?
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy Scream 4 for what it is, but I just wish the companies would stop interfering with movies.
The movie would have been much better had they let Jill get away with the murders. But no, Hollywood had to have it their way.
So if you're gonna 'Yeesh' anyone, Yeesh the Weinstein Brothers.
It's funny, you just have to look at how many franchises out there aren't ridiculed for different writers coming on board.
Yet for some reason, Williamson is seen as God by every internet critic who cannot be replaced. Nor is his work at any point inferior.
Imagine if the Star Wars fanatics were bitching about that new writer from the Empire Strikes Back, only George Lucas can write star wars Dammit!!!!
Or James Cameron screwing up Aliens?
Never happen.....Isn't that funny?
But NOBODY can replace Kevin Williamson.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
No one's "bitching" about the new writers for The Empire Strikes Back, because that script was actually an improvement over the script of the first movie. People "bitch" about Scream 3, because the movie is a decline from the previous movies. Sometimes the explanation is as simple as that. You say all those other franchises don't get ridiculed, so what's the reason the Scream fanbase reacts so differently?
You're imagining things again, Guy. Who in this thread considers Kevin Wiliamson a god? They're just saying that the change in writers is evident and negatively affected the movie.
Sometimes the explanation is as simple as that. You say all those other franchises don't get ridiculed, so what's the reason the Scream fanbase reacts so differently?
That's my point exactly
Yet we still don't have the highlighted love for Williamson that can do no wrong
Most people wouldn't even know or care that other sequels were by different writers.
But once again, Scream 3 has Same Director,Same Actors, Same Characters, Same Producer's, Same Music Composer and more --But all of it meant NOTHING just because Kevin Williamson wasn't here!!!
Scream 3 haters are VERY unconvincing.
And Might I add, Williamson screwed up his lead character far more in Scream 4 then any of the others. Yet never brought up.
Hey...Anyone can dislike Scream 3. I specifically mentioned the "Scream 3 Haters"
At worst it's inferior to the first two(and that's more than to be expected), but the collection of people out there who act like it's the worst movie they've ever seen really are unconvincing.
"See it with someone you love...Go by yourself"
I specifically mentioned the "Scream 3 Haters"
but the collection of people out there who act like it's the worst movie they've ever seen really are unconvincing.
most are just extremely disappointed
It's the extremely part that I find that hard to believe.
As far as third sequels go, horror or otherwise, Scream 3 would pretty much favor comparably.
Yeah, because YOU like the movie.
That's not true at all, there are tons of sequels I love but still can admit they're not technically the best of the franchise.
I can't believe how many people can't see that Scream 2 did start to suck by the second movie, even if it's still brilliant by standards.
there is a decline between Scream and Scream 2.
"It sucks because Kevin Williamson didn't write it" This is the sheep response by most fans.
Scream 3 is just not that different or bad enough to be constantly called out the way it is on these boards.
It's also rarely championed for the troubles it had during production or the fact that it's the third sequel, it's bound to feel a little stale by this point.
'Yeesh' the Weinstein Brothers. they're the reason we got what we got, not Kevin.
I really enjoy Scream 4 for what it is, but it would have been better had they just stuck with Kevin's original ideas.
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Scream 1 and 2 are better than Scream 3, but Ehren Kruger is a much better screenwriter than he is given credit for.
At least Scream 3 has character development. Scream 4 felt like a bad straight to DVD sequel.
Troll the respawn, Jeremy.
Couldn't agree more. I could but that would be redundant.
shareI still find it funny that people hate on Ehren Kruger so much. He's responsible for some VERY good films. Arlington Road, The Skeleton Key, etc. Kevin Williamson is a good writer, but it's not like he's the most talented guy in the world. He's written ONE truly brilliant piece of cinema, the first Scream.
Troll the respawn, Jeremy.
You honestly think Arlington Road and Skeleton Key are very good films? Because I don't, and for the longest time I didn't even know they were written by the same guy.
As for Kevin Williamson, I'm gonna be honest, I don't like anything he wrote except the Scream movies and I Know What You Did Last Summer.
Let's not forget that Kruger also penned the script for The Ring. Which IS a great horror movie, remake or not.
Troll the respawn, Jeremy.
Mwah, I much prefer the original version. It's much creepier and more subtle than the US version. Besides, most of the story is still the same, I'm not going to give Kruger credit for that. He also copied several other films like The Sixth Sense. And the horse scene was just stupid.
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