It was clear to me that the writers were thinking of pairing Chris with Mary. She seems a little more clue into her feelings for him than he is. Billy just worships the ground that Chris walks on and thinks he is the best thing since slice bread. Do you think if the show hadn't been unfairly canceled, that in the end Mary and Chris would have become a family with Billy?
To breathe in the air of life.
If they were planning on that, then I'm glad I didn't have to see it.
shareWhy do you feel that way I am curious?
To breathe in the air of life.
No body really likes Mary in the fandom. She is to self righteous and hypocritical of others. Mary and Chris would never have made it as a couple because he wouldn't bend to her ways and I don't see that she would want a gunfighter for a husband and father for her son.
shareI didn't know that Mary was disliked, I did think she was a bit too high and mighty at times. But that through time she would learn how to treat people with respect and understanding. And I don't think him being a gunfighter would have matter with her. She sees that he is a good man whose has lost a great deal. But I did get the feeling she likes him more than he likes her in the romantic sense. But usually in shows the writers have the male lead pair with the female lead. That is why I thought that the writers would slowly put them together.
To breathe in the air of life.
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I'm actually surprized about this too. Personally, I think Mary is her own woman, fighting back from heartache and having to be away from her child to make her paper and town right. Certainly, she had her opinions but I don't think I would have liked her if she didn't stand up for what she believed. I saw her learning through-out all the episodes she was in -- and her relationship to Chris becoming stronger.
Personally, I liked and think he liked what he saw.
But first, they had to get past some serious demons.
THEY WERE PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER !!!!
It's astounding if any real fan of the show didn't see that...
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I consider myself a true fan of the show and I wasn't overly fond of the idea of Mary and Chris pairing off. That may or may not have been where the series writers would have taken it, but I thought he would have been better suited by someone a little more nonjudgemental than Mary was.
She irked me on several episodes and I didn't like that she chose to send her son away in the first place after he'd lost his father. I do think that Lauren Holden, the actress that played Mary, was very good and is still extremely beautiful.
"I consider myself a true fan of the show"
GOOD. We all do...
"and I wasn't overly fond of the idea of Mary and Chris pairing off."
Well, when you think about it it made sense. Both were individuals and leaders.
"That may or may not have been where the series writers would have taken it, but I thought he would have been better suited by someone a little more nonjudgemental than Mary was."
She wasn't THAT judgmental. Just opinionated and speaks her mind. With Chris slowly recovering from being a burnt shell of a man by being with the Seven,they all helped each other,the next step was with Billy ans Mary,Chris' salvation.
"She irked me on several episodes and I didn't like that she chose to send her son away in the first place after he'd lost his father."
C'mon, that town wasn't the safest place to be until it was cleaned up. That was the right decision at the time. Billy was better off with the judge anyhow.She eventually worked it out.
"Lauren Holden, the actress that played Mary, was very good and is still extremely beautiful."
Can't disagree there,sister !!
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"It's astounding if any real fan of the show didn't see that... "
This was what I was referring to when I said I consider myself a true fan of the show. Despite your assertions, I still don't like the idea of Chris and Mary ending up together. I certainly didn't see her as being his salvation in any way.
As for her sending her child away while she stayed in the town, why didn't she sell out and go take care of him; he was obviously traumatized and needed her. Sorry, I just don't buy it as necessary. There were other children in the town even before the 7 came in and if it wasn't safe enough for Billy then she wasn't safe either and she risked leaving him totally orphaned to be cared for by elderly grandparents.
"This was what I was referring to when I said I consider myself a true fan of the show."
What was ?!?
" Despite your assertions, I still don't like the idea of Chris and Mary ending up together. I certainly didn't see her as being his salvation in any way. "
OK, but she WAS. She certainly was part of his healing process especially as Chris' relationship with Billy grew. C'mon,EVERYBODY saw that !!
"As for her sending her child away while she stayed in the town, why didn't she sell out and go take care of him;"
If you don't know the answer to that,then you have NO understanding of the character of Mary.
" he was obviously traumatized and needed her."
No doubt. But Mary's husband ran the paper,too. When he was killed,Mary sought out his killers by staying and making a difference in the town. Billy was MORE then safe with his grandparents who were, at the time, better equipped to deal with Billy's problems better then Mary ever could.
"Sorry, I just don't buy it as necessary."
Again,you don't understand Mary herself.Just what YOU perceive what motherhood should be. And these were western times. Billy was much safer with Grandpa and Grandma then Mary in that environment.
" There were other children in the town even before the 7 came in and if it wasn't safe enough for Billy"
It wasn't. He witnessed a murder, renmember ?
"then she wasn't safe either"
Maybe, but,again, she wasn't a witness, Billy was. It was safer to get him out of town
"and she risked leaving him totally orphaned to be cared for by elderly grandparents."
Every parent takes that risk everyday,especially in the Old West. Mary did the right thing and that was proven after the episode WITNESS.After that, he just another kid in town when the danger against him was gone. Also that danger was circumvented by the Seven,which was not only a good storyline,but drew Chris and Mary closer. And I can't help it if you can't see that Mary was part of Chris' healing and salvation. That is as plain as the nose on your face.
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She sure didn't seem to be any part of his life at all when he told the others he was staying with Ella in "Obsession". I don't think there was ever any indication that he had any problem making that decision. Mary wasn't even a second thought there.
Not saying he was right or anything - obviously Ella was insane, but he sure didn't have any trouble moving on with her as opposed to all the time he had been around Mary and done nothing to court her.
Think about it. The episode started with Chris drunk and remembering how bad his past was. Ella came along when he was basically hung over,so, one would have to admit his judgment was a little impaired. He thought that maybe a familiar face from a passionate past just might see him though it. It's a guy thing,believe me. When in doubt, passion rules. As the story unfolded and Chris realized his mistake,he respect for Mary was renewed by the way he was aching to talk to her in the last scene. He just didn't have the words. But,if the series has continued,there's no doubt he would have eventually found them AND Mary.
Any other concerns,xeno,because you're dead wrong here.
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I have to say I think you are reading things into the scenes that are just NOT there. Where do you get that he was "aching" to talk to her, for all I saw he was going to thank her for bringing him the letter. I think he certainly had more important things on his mind than Mary at that point, and didn't she seem a trifle cold to him in that scene.
If nothing else she had to know that he'd been seeing other women all along - Maria, and Lydia for example, does that sound like true love to you?
But I'm done trying to explain my opinion and reasons for it to you since you don't seem able to be courteous enough to accept that I have that right too. There isn't a right or wrong - it is all a matter of opinion since in canon they NEVER got together and we'll never know.
"I have to say I think you are reading things into the scenes that are just NOT there."
And you can't see things that ARE.
" Where do you get that he was "aching" to talk to her, for all I saw he was going to thank her for bringing him the letter."
Oh, come on, you're kidding, right ?? He couldn't say THANK YOU ? That's ridiculous,really, it is. THAT's what YOU saw ??
"I think he certainly had more important things on his mind than Mary at that point,"
Yes, I agree.
"and didn't she seem a trifle cold to him in that scene"
Considering the recent events,I can't say I blame her. But those very same feelings indicate she has more then friendship feelings for Chris and I'm surprised you can't see it.
"If nothing else she had to know that he'd been seeing other women all along - Maria, and Lydia for example, does that sound like true love to you?"
Just because she knew he was seeing other women, doesn't mean she didn't have deep feelings for him or Chris for her. Chris was conflicted in his feelings for Mary and it is extremely obvious,especially in the later episodes. Either you can't see it or don't WANT to see it. You really don't understand how men think, do you ??
"But I'm done trying to explain my opinion and reasons for it to you since you don't seem able to be courteous enough to accept that I have that right too."
Yes, you do. Courtesy has nothing to do with it. You have a right to ANY opinion you want. But, in this case, you're wrong as to the actual intent of the storyline with your reasons. You entitled to your opinion. But here, it's wrong.
"There isn't a right or wrong - it is all a matter of opinion since in canon they NEVER got together and we'll never know."
SO feel free to have any interpretation your heart desires,but they don't jive with the actual events unfolding as you cast a blind eye to the obvious.
Oh, and by the way, that's why Mary,among other reasons, broke off with that fella in WAGON TRAIN. Of course, Chris had nothing to do with Mary's decision, now did he ??
xeno,clearly you should wake up and smell the coffee.
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You say that everyone has a right to their opinion/interpretation but then you proceed to belittle that opinion and flat out say that there is only one correct interpretation. That's rude.
Do you really think that if Chris was in love with Mary, if she was his "salvation" as you put it earlier, that he'd have been running around with all those other women? I think he would not, he could obviously control himself when he wanted to - come to think of it he never really made any moves on Mary did he?
Mary didn't marry Gerard because he would have expected her to act like a wife and not live in a town days away from his farm while running a newspaper. End of story, Chris didn't care if she married Gerard or not and was actually encouraging her to do so. He certainly didn't ask her not to marry and didn't make any move that could remotely be considered jealous, he acted like a friend, almost brotherly. He was perfectly civil and nice to Gerard and given his quick temper I would think he would not be so cordial with a rival for something he wanted.
I didn't see Chris as being choked up at the end of Obsession, he was wounded and still recouperating from that, but choked up - no, more like at a loss for words to explain why there was a letter from a crazy woman calling herself his wife. That I can buy, he was right to be uncomfortable with that whole situation.
I do believe that some of the writers for the series were more interested in making a couple out of Chris and Mary, but there are plenty of inconsistencies for other interpretations. It is one of the flaws in the series that the writers varied so widely in the way they treated the characters. But that's why I think it is perfectly possible for someone to make an arguement that Mary and Chris would never have been more than friends.
"You say that everyone has a right to their opinion/interpretation but then you proceed to belittle that opinion and flat out say that there is only one correct interpretation. That's rude."
You were looking at a white wall and calling it black. Simple. Take it anyway you want.
"Do you really think that if Chris was in love with Mary, if she was his "salvation" as you put it earlier, that he'd have been running around with all those other women? I think he would not, he could obviously control himself when he wanted to - come to think of it he never really made any moves on Mary did he?'
I've said a couple of times and I'll say it again. You don't know how men think. I never said Chris saw Mary as his salvation,but that she was and would become that when he realized that. We all know Chris, in his younger days with Buck, was a whoring cowboy. In the fews years after the fire,that's all Chris was,or, as his friend Buck put it, in the pilot, a "burned out shell of a man". The relationship was growing with each episode especially the later ones, slowing healing Chris. The episode OBSESSION more then proved that. You know that and so do a MAJORITY of the TRUE fans. Ask them.
"Mary didn't marry Gerard because he would have expected her to act like a wife and not live in a town days away from his farm while running a newspaper. End of story,"
That's true,but also Mary didn't realize how she would feel when Chris and the Seven would be accompanying them on the wagon train and his presence greatly affected Mary's decision as well as her own personal ones. I've said that.
"Chris didn't care if she married Gerard or not and was actually encouraging her to do so."
LOL !!! You really DON"T know men, do you ??
" He certainly didn't ask her not to marry and didn't make any move that could remotely be considered jealous, he acted like a friend, almost brotherly."
Really,xeno, you ARE kidding, right ?? What else you would want him to do ??
" He was perfectly civil and nice to Gerard and given his quick temper I would think he would not be so cordial with a rival for something he wanted."
Oh, I see, you expected Chris to shoot him.Never thought this also could be a unconscious move on Mary's part as well, did you ?? Of course not. Women aren't that way,are they ??
"I didn't see Chris as being choked up at the end of Obsession,"
That's YOUR fault. You're saying he couldn't say THANK YOU. Chris was so embarrassed by the whole thing,he couldn't meet Mary's eyes. THAT'S how you know how Chris felt. If Chris had no potential love for Mary,he would have been able to look her right in the eye, you can believe that.
"he was wounded and still recouperating from that, but choked up - no, more like at a loss for words to explain why there was a letter from a crazy woman calling herself his wife."
Why ?? Mary already knew about it and the situation. Why would Chris be at a loss for words ?? Unless he had FEELINGS for Mary already. Did Mary already read the letter? I don't think so.
"That I can buy, he was right to be uncomfortable with that whole situation."
Yes,but you have no idea why because you don't know how a man thinks when it comes to this.It was perfectly realized by Michael Biehn.
"I do believe that some of the writers for the series were more interested in making a couple out of Chris and Mary,"
Smartest thing you've said. Make that ALL of them. Try visiting a Mag 7 website.
"but there are plenty of inconsistencies for other interpretations. "
Life is full of inconsistencies BUT the interpretation here is VERY clear.
"It is one of the flaws in the series that the writers varied so widely in the way they treated the characters."
Really ? And where would THAT be ?
"But that's why I think it is perfectly possible for someone to make an arguement that Mary and Chris would never have been more than friends."
Anybody can make an argument about anything, but,in this case,it wouldn't be very convincing.You can feel about this anyway you want,but the intent of the series and nature of the relationship proves you wrong.
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Nick you are one of those people that cannot even admit that there is justification for other people's opinions when it is right in front of your face. As for visiting an M7 website - I'm very active in the fandom, though I don't remember seeing your name before.
share"Nick you are one of those people that cannot even admit that there is justification for other people's opinions when it is right in front of your face."
And you are one of those people who can't see the forest for the trees.
"As for visiting an M7 website - I'm very active in the fandom, though I don't remember seeing your name before."
And that proves what exactly ??
Let me illustrate my point,xeno.
The episode you criticize Mary about,WITNESS, was written by Melissa Rosenberg, a woman.
WAGON TRAIN,part one, was also written by Melissa Rosenberg. A women's point of view about what you think...
WAGON TRAIN,part two was written by Richard Kletter, a man.
OBSESSION was also written by Richard Kletter. A man's point of view.Again.
SO,xeno, I'll say it again and again. You DO NOT,in these circumstances,KNOW how a man thinks and you criticize a woman's point of view in establishing character of Mary.
AGAIN, you can HAVE any opinion you want and cling onto it for dear life, BUT, here, it is a WRONG opinion. But, please, by all means, have it. The fact that you are wrong, however, is the ONLY thing that is"right in my face".
As to not seeing my name,well, I'm there.You just don't know it and I like that way.
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you can HAVE any opinion you want and cling onto it for dear life, BUT, here, it is a WRONG opinion.
Opinions are not right or wrong as long as they are based on something the person believes. Your opinion is no more right than mine. I was only trying to show you WHY I believe as I do about this particular series.
Everything I said about the series actually happened in canon, however; most of what you are postulating is supposition based on what you thought was going to happen - it never appears in the series. So, you can have any opinion you want about what would have happened if the series had continued, that just doesn't make it so.
Go ahead and call me wrong, deny that anyone outside of yourself is a "true fan" enjoy yourself. Your the one that said I should visit a website - I was just pointing out that I do visit them and I'm on several groups dedicated to the series, where btw, there are many other fans that don't see these two as a couple. But that doesn't matter - my whole point was that you cannot allow other fans to have their own opinions without castigating them for it and there are many fans that don't agree with you. I guess it was foolish of me to engage you in a dialog in an effort to point this out. That is my ONLY mistake.
I had to go ahead and put this person on my ignore list along with Stynes, those of you that know who that is will understand.
"Opinions are not right or wrong as long as they are based on something the person believes."
And based on what ?? Whatever you want whenever you want it to. Go ahead.
" Your opinion is no more right than mine."
Only in the idea of intent. Every argument you have given me holds no water and you cannot back it with anything the show was trying to do in terms of character.
"I was only trying to show you WHY I believe as I do about this particular series."
And you did. What's your problem ?
"Everything I said about the series actually happened in canon, however; most of what you are postulating is supposition based on what you thought was going to happen - it never appears in the series."
So THAT'S your argument ?? That everything that happened in the series happened. And was motivated by what ?? These weren't random events. They all happened for a reason and were building up to something. Surely you can see that. The series had a definite direction for ALL the characters,including Chris and Mary. You just can't or, more importantly, WON"T see it.
" So, you can have any opinion you want about what would have happened if the series had continued, that just doesn't make it so. "
By the same token, it doesn't make it NOT so,either. And the direction and events of the show bear me out, not your silly theory. Besides, you said that you, as a person, didn't want them to get together so you fabricated your opinions based on what YOU think should happen,even interjecting your judgment for Mary's in terms of caring for her son and/or leaving the paper. None of what you think bears out in the scheme of things as portrayed on the show. NONE of it.
"Go ahead and call me wrong,"
I have and do so again.
Case in point: Your charge Chris acted like a brother in WAGON TRAIN.
GERALD: I don't mean to pry, Mr Larrabee,but I notice you and she have something of a friendship.
CHRIS: You could say that.
GERALD: Anything else to it?
CHRIS: What are you asking?
GERALD: Forgive me,that was unfair.My competitive nature sometimes overwhelms my manners. Then again, a man would have to be blind not to notice HER charms.
CHRIS: Well,I ain't blind.
And this dialog was going while Mary was galloping in the background.
I don't think that was "brotherly",xeno, do you ??
"deny that anyone outside of yourself is a "true fan"
Never made that claim and never will. But you should watch the episodes more closely before you try and debate.
"enjoy yourself."
I do everytime I watch an episode. I re watched OBSESSION just to remind myself how much you still DON"T get it.
"Your the one that said I should visit a website - I was just pointing out that I do visit them and I'm on several groups dedicated to the series,"
Good for you.
" where btw, there are many other fans that don't see these two as a couple."
So what ?!? It was the INTENT of the series and it was written with that in mind.
"But that doesn't matter - "
Only that they, like you, won't see it.
"my whole point was that you cannot allow other fans to have their own opinions without castigating them for it and there are many fans that don't agree with you."
Look,xeno, stop playing victim, will you. Have any opinion you want. How many times do I have to say it ?? But what we have been talking about is as about as plain as it gets. You haven't presented ANY argument to the contrary based on events that occurred during the show's run. I nixed every one. Every nuance between Chris and Mary was so indicative of a future together it practically comes out and bites you.If the character of Mary somehow annoys you and you can't see her with Chris,that really is YOUR problem. But,to most of us,it was very obvious from the beginning. And, if by some miracle, there was ever a reunion movie of some kind with all the TV cast, you would see that subject,along with other loose ends,resolved to the original concept of the show. In case you don't know what THAT is, it was "Seven men,one destiny" and that destiny was the salvation and redemption of all seven of our damaged heroes. That was the concept of the 1960 film and, in a more leisurely fashion over proposed numerous seasons,the idea of the TV show. Being part of the Magnificent Seven had it's rewards for ALL of them. We just didn't get a chance to see them all. But they were getting around to all of them.Josiah with his sister, Nathan with his father,Ezra with his mother,and considering what he lost,Chris was going to find what he lost as well. THAT, my dear xeno,was Mary and Billy and regaining a family.
Do you get it now ???
" I guess it was foolish of me to engage you in a dialog in an effort to point this out. That is my ONLY mistake.'
And now you know better and,hopefully, you got a better idea of what John Watson,Pen Densham,and Richard Barton Lewis were trying to do.
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Most who say 'true fans' would understand doesn't know anything and aren't a true fan themselves because it's used by posters who want to cause battle lines to be drawn. I'm a John Winchester of Supernatural who isn't well liked in the fandom because of Sam girls.
Sam fans are just like any other fans with yeah he screwed up but he's human. Sam girls believe whatever Sam does, say, etc should be worshipped properly. I dare to say on a Sam girl site that Sam was human and got flame so I left the site because it wasn't worth.
I posted something about Sam on the IMDB and got the most vitol attack from a Sam girl and dismissed to read the next post hoping it'd be better and it was a response to the Sam fan that she should try reading said post before attacking me. There is one poster since finding out I'm a John fan has made it a point to abuse.
I don't agree with her that John was an abusive SOB who destroyed his sons and she calls me B***h among other names. People like that love being told their perfect. As long as I don't contradict her she's all sweet and friendly.
I do need to disagree about Mary not being judgmental. She assumed saloon girls were doing the job because they liked it until she heard the stories from the soiled doves she stuck her nose up around and found out how they were tricked/forced into and how the guy treated them.
It is clear to anyone who is a fan of the show that Mary, Chris and Billy were going to become a family.
shareIt sure as hell SHOULD be !!!!!!
It couldn't be any more plainer !!!!
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People people people--how could you overlook the main romance of the series?
I mean Chris and Vin. Obiviously it was the writers and directors' intent.
The scene where Mary and Lydia were in Mary's office, fluffing their feathers at each other over Chris, you can plainly see Chris through the window, chatting with his true love, Vin.
Ever heard of irony?
Most romanic scene of the series--Chris and Vin watching the sunset together,
making eyes at each other, in the pilot. Sets the tone for the whole show.
Apparently not, since you don't speak for me and many others.
shareWhooa! I don't clain to speak for you or I wouldn't be posting. (Sorry lady,
I don't consider you the final word on Mag 7)
How about that eye-lock just before the shoot-out? The LOOK that launched
a thousand fan-fics?
Chris knocked Mary down to get to Ella, yet it was the thought of losing Vin that kept him awake that night he decided to follow Ella to her stash of
"souvineers"
How about the jealousy that came through in Buck's voice "Thought you were
going to Tacoosa with VIN?" and yet Buck didn't care if Chris was with Mary or
Maria or whoever.
Chris to Vin: Right now I need whiskey. Then bed. Then more whiskey.
And Vin blushed and Chris grinned...
Still think the best "pairing" of the show was Chris and Vin.
Pretty stupid idea and posts,doozie.
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my opinion is as based on cannon as yours.
Calling me names will not change that.
"my opinion is as based on cannon as yours."
Oh, really ?!? Then your so-called opinionated motivation between two men who have depended on each other numerous times in life threatening situations is,without a doubt, "stupid". Does that make it any clearer?
"Calling me names will not change that."
What name calling? You bill yourself as "heydoozie". Do you prefer "hey"?
Come to think of it, with your asinine and meaningless opinion, that does make sense.
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aw, you sweet thing.
Still, Vin is the only person Chris ever hugs, pats, and enjoys sunsets with.
Canon.
"aw, you sweet thing."
Think nothing of it. You know,like we all do about your moronic opinion.
"Still, Vin is the only person Chris ever hugs, pats, and enjoys sunsets with.
Canon."
Incorrect yet again. Let's see,Chris had a good time with Emma,in her bed, and other places. Certainly enjoyed the women of Wickstown on more then one occasion, and shared warm times with a lovely Mexican lady of the night in Purgatrio a few times. And that doesn't even include the flashback scenes with Chris and his, oh,yeah, wife. Plus, his own ideas about Mary. Wonder where I got that from ?
That's right---The Canon. Imagine that.
Lame try, doozie. Chris and Vin are just a friendship of two guys who fought side by side. Every been in combat ? Ever hear of BAND OF BROTHERS?
Nah, I didn't think so. But it wouldn't matter if you did since your opinion is the stupidest one going. Congrats !! It's a doozie !!
Good name for you after all.
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{{NickKitt}} I knew you wouldn't disapoint me, darlin'.
Hhmmm Who is Emma? I know I've seen all the episodes many times and I still can't remember an Emma...but I'm sure you can remind me.
I can't remember his ideas about Mary other than a couple of times I thought he was going to grab her ears and shake her.
And I certainly didn't say he didn't go to bed with women.
Chris <slides his glass of whiskey across the table to Vin, who takes a big sip>
Vin: What now?
Chris: Whiskey. Bed. More Whiskey
And he had more of a gleam in his eye than he ever had looking at Mary.
"{{NickKitt}} I knew you wouldn't disapoint me,"
In showing the fallacy of your inane argument ? Of course not because you have no clue and it's easily demonstrable. A pleasure, really.
"darlin'."
Call me Nick...
"Hhmmm Who is Emma? I know I've seen all the episodes many times and I still can't remember an Emma...but I'm sure you can remind me."
A typo on my part. I meant ELLA. Ella Gaines. Ring a bell?
"I can't remember his ideas about Mary other than a couple of times I thought he was going to grab her ears and shake her."
Well, I guess you didn't watch EVERY episode,then.
"And I certainly didn't say he didn't go to bed with women."
I'm profoundly shocked.
"And he had more of a gleam in his eye than he ever had looking at Mary."
I think that was you looking at yourself in the mirror. No other way to explain the utter ignorance and imbecility of your bogus claim. But I more then proved you wrong,so there's no point to continue.
The last asinine word is yours, doozie, check out how your other foot tastes.
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aw, don't go away mad Nicky Kitty--
I figured when you said "Emma" you were a little mixed up in the head--
shoot, I thought maybe you had Magnificent Seven mixed up with a Jane Austen
novel. Mary meets Darcy or something. (Yep, I know the hero of Emma is George Knightly, God knows I have taught Jane Austen enough--well, enough that I would never mistake Ella for Emma.)
And no, I have never been in combat, though I have taught high school, and a few friends of mine in the military told me it is pretty similar--
though we had a hard time figuring out what that had to do with discussing
a TV series--
"more then"? I hate to keep correcting you, you sweet thang, but I believe
you meant "more than".
If you want to keep your opinions and let me keep mine, well, gosh darn,
that is the best news I've had ages.
And did that other foot taste as good ?
Taught high school ??
Hope it wasn't boy's gym !!
"hate to keep correcting you, you sweet thang"
Well, since I completely took apart your silly theory, I'd figure I'd give you something to make you feel you're doing well.
"If you want to keep your opinions and let me keep mine, well, gosh darn,"
You can keep anything you like,but if I were you, I wouldn't be proud of it.
"that is the best news I've had ages."
I think you mean," IN ages",and I'm sure it's not only the BEST news,but the ONLY news you had at all.
Run along now, doozie, the grown ups want to talk intelligently.
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Domination Is Your Goal."
Ok Buttercup, I will bid you a fond farewell now.
I have a feeling you think you accomplished something with your hissy fits besides amusement for the whole board, but put a gold star on it and hang it with your other "I'm special" awards.
I am sure you want to talk intelligently, but alas, I fear it will never happen.
What bad posters,such as heydoozie, really mean...
"Ok Buttercup,"
Translation: "Mr Kitt, I stand corrected"
"I will bid you a fond farewell now."
Translation: "I can't really defend anything I have said and I'm basically talking through my ass. In this case, literally."
"I have a feeling you think you accomplished something with your hissy fits besides amusement for the whole board,"
Translation: "I have absolutely no counter argument to your logic and reason, so therefore I'll call your correct answers "hissy fits" in a vain attempt to discredit them."
"but put a gold star on it and hang it with your other "I'm special" awards."
Translation: "I know you're right, but I will sarcastically compliment you to try, in a futile way, to show everyone I disagree with the truth of the matter.
"I am sure you want to talk intelligently, but alas, I fear it will never happen."
Translation: "You have so overwhelmed my admittedly silly ideas to the point where I couldn't possibly keep up with you in an intelligent debate."
"Every Troll Matters When Message Board
Domination Is Your Goal."
Any other concerns,xeno,because you're dead wrong here.
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"Good grief!"
NOW you know how I feel !!!
"I haven't been on this site for a while b/c I get tired of reading just this kind of tripe."
And we haven't missed another one of your misinterpretations either.
"I've got news for you"
I doubt it.
"- no one is right and no one is wrong."
Yes, but there's utter stupidity and there's common sense.
"You, NickKitt, have a real problem with effective communication."
You understand me very well and you know it. But I'll make it plain. I disagree with you and doozie. You cannot support anything you say with facts. Just because you have some lame ass opinion doesn't mean it's right . You have a theory, prove it. Don't say it's right with some vague crap you dream up. Is that clear enough ?
"A conversation consists of people expressing their opinions in a noncombative manner."
And with SOME evidence to back it up,otherwise it ain't worth much.
"Judging from the prodigious amount of refutation you've provided to every poster, you have a obsession with being right."
Just logical. Not a perp of silly asinine theories with no basis in fact.
"And, doozie, you have a valid point."
Why ?? Because you say so.
"Many viewers - myself included - saw what looked like some suggestive behavior among the seven men."
That's BS, pure and simple. You have obviously never been in combat with a group of men. When you come to rely on other men in life threatening situations again and again, a bond forms that resembles brother like family. You're just obsessed thinking it's homosexual behavior. Every one of the seven had strong likes and desires for women and it showed throughout the series. Wake up !!
"I wouldn't be surprised if the actors didn't interpret some lines that way just to play with us, the viewers."
Oh, stop it already !!
"For instance, the look Chris gives Ezra when JD calls out Ezra on his "sainted mother" statement."
That's pathetic and so misunderstood on your part.
"Every Troll Matters When Message Board
Domination Is Your Goal."
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Talking to that person is a waste of time, I but Nickitt or whatever the name is on ignore a long time ago when I realized that he/she was obsessed with this subject and probably lives vicariously through such relationships.
I kind of see the C/V but I prefer the older friendship Chris had with Buck. The way they all (the 7 of them) took care of each other was the best part of the show for me.
"Talking to that person is a waste of time,"
I know how you feel since you did not have the intelligence to see what was in front of you.
"I but Nickitt or whatever the name is on ignore a long time ago when I realized that he/she was obsessed with this subject and probably lives vicariously through such relationships."
I'm not obsessed. You presented incredibly weak, stupid arguments for your so-called opinion and backed them with complete falsehoods. I called you out and you folded like a cheap suit. Even though you put me on ignore (realizing just how stupid you are, apparently), I'm letting others know how ridiculous your claims were and still are.
"Every Troll Matters When Message Board
Domination Is Your Goal."
Bye !!
No sense wasting common sense and logic on those such as yourself who can't see the truth when it's right in front of you. And I don't have to listen to your inane arguments. Thank you.
"Every Troll Matters When Message Board
Domination Is Your Goal."
Late to the party, but I don't give a crap.
No, I honestly believe that while maybe the writers were toying with the idea of Mary and Chris, I think if the show was allowed to continue till the writers finally were finished with their ideas, it would have been Mary and Vin. I just had this strong sense that while she would begin to teach him how to read and write, I think something would have started to brew and become of something of substance.
With Chris, I could see taking onto the call girl he obviously seemed to like to visit from time to time.
Yes it seemed that way but I'd prefer they didn't but not because I hated Mary but at least for me they didn't have any chemistry. As a couple they just seemed blah. Maybe if Mary had been cast with an actress that Biehn had chemistry with.
It doesn't need to be sexual chemistry to work for me just as long as I could see them as a couple. Biehn/Holden doesn't say couple to me.
Maybe if she acted more like she did in Silent Hill, perhaps, but yeah, she had better chemistry with Vin.
shareThey're showing this again on This TV. Back when it first aired I knew Chris and Mary would be paired together if the show lasted long enough and I was certainly looking forward to it. It's good drama to watch two very different people change a little and meet each other in the middle to have a relationship and the actors had the chemistry to pull it off from what I can remember. A slow burn spanning several seasons or more is good because when they put folks together early on, most writers don't know what to do with a couple dramatically besides break them up. I guess fanfic will have to supply what was missed because of cancellation.
shareP.S. - The only thing between Vin and Mary was the same respect she had for the Magnificent "Six" protecting her town, admiring Vin's poetry and the charity to teach him to read and write. It was sweet but it was platonic all the way. There was much more than that very slowly growing between Chris and Mary from the moment they met.
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