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What are all the poker mistakes you have noticed?


So many poker mistakes... if this movie were made today, these mistakes wouldn't be there due to people's familiarity with poker nowadays.

Meanwhile, let's have some fun. What are all the poker mistakes you have noticed?

Show me the holes!

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This may not be a mistake but seemed at least a discrepancy. In the game with the police we see Mike intentionally fold a good hand (dealt from the bottom by Worm) so as not to arouse suspicion of cheating. Surely the folded cards were not seen by anyone. In the game near end with KGB Mike again folds a "monster hand" though this time shows his cards allowing KGB to realize that his "tell" has been discovered. I don't know much about poker but always thought that if you fold your hand you don't have to reveal what was in it.

"He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator."

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No discrepancy. In a heads up game you're free to show the hand you folded. Why not? There's no one else left in the hand who might be affected.

If there are multiple people still involved in a hand you cannot show your folded cards since this information could very well influence how the others play their hands.

In the Cops game, Mike COULD NOT show his hand, even if he had wanted to.

In the KGB game, Mike was free to show his hand, and did so specifically to let KGB know he had found his tell.

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Thanks for your explanation which begs the question. Why would Mike want KGB to realize he's on to the Oreo eating "tell"? The only reason I can think is to rub KGB's nose in it. In the KGB game, I thought Mike should have folded his "monster hand" quietly with the cards never shown (if allowed). Again, I don't know poker rules. A simpler question, Did Mike have to show his folded hand to KGB?

"He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator."

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You are not obliged to show your cards when mucking, especially during play. And Mike explains that he ordinarily would not let on that he knew, but this particular session did not afford him the time to exploit KGB's tell. So he instead chose to fold his cards face up, to show KGB that he indeed laid down a monster because he had figured him out. The intended effect was to rattle KGB, which should then have an impact on the rest of the session.

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I always thought his explanation that he didn't have time to drain KGB by knowing his tell was not accurate. He DID have time to drain him straight up, but not with the knowledge of his tell?

I understand he was gambling that by rattling KGB by revealing his tell that he hoped that would give him an edge and he could take him down quickly, but how much longer would it have taken to take him down with the knowledge of his tell? I'd think it would take LESS time knowing his tell.

Also, if KGB's tell was so obvious, and that's such a high level game at his place, wouldn't someone else have spotted it, even several players, and broke him so much that he wouldn't be a high level game and loan shark anymore?

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Mike was trying to Tilt KGB. If KGB goes on tilt, Mike can drain him quicker than he would by using the tell. Since the tell indicates a strong hand it won't really help Mike win any pots off of KGB; it will only allow him to cut his losses on certain hands. In the long run that's worth just as much as being able to exploit a tell that reveals weakness because you save your chips and get them in on better hands. But that requires patience and time, whereas putting KGB on tilt can potentially be a much quicker way to beat him. In real life, it's probably not the better choice, but it's still a plausible decision.

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He wanted him to know that he discovered his tell in order to put him "on tilt." In case you don't know, "on tilt" is a poker term for a player who gets a bad beat who basically throws strategy and will power out the window and starts playing on emotion. Normally you wouldn't want your opponent to know that you discovered their tell but your opinion going on tilt in a heads up game can be a much more advantageous for you.

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No one very cut the cards. They would shuffle and deal. That doesn't even fly in my quarter game!

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Plus the sloppy shuffle Worm used with the cops and I think with the "trust-fund babies." Who would allow that?

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The reason he cheated with the trust fund babies was because they weren´t savvy enough to see Worm was cheating. Mike even says, "there´s no risk in this room".

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Worm playing against the Russians, Roman and Maurice, I think it was 7 card stud. I didn’t see Roman check his ace, that would’ve led the betting, but worm bet first with a jack high showing after the river. The two Russians called, worm slow rolled. Just sloppy editing.

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not so sure about that. You don't have to say "Check to check, worm gives him a look & i'd argue the Russian checked then.

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biggest goof is Johnny Chan folding in a limit game for one more bet.

DUMB

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