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Robert wanted Elizabeth assassinated?


He wanted this at the end? I'm confused as I thought he loved her or were his intentions something else?

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It has been awhile since I watched the film, but I do not believe he thought she would be assassinated. After the initial assassination attempt, the Spanish (?) ambassador goes to him and convinces him that her only way for survival is to be removed from power; maybe Robert was foolish enough to assume that if another rose to take her place, Elizabeth would merely be banished and they could be together.

I always thought that was a major weakness in the writing of the film -- the lack of clarity to his motivation there, and the consequences. Should have stuck to the real story instead of making all that up.

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I always thought that was a major weakness in the writing of the film -- the lack of clarity to his motivation there, and the consequences. Should have stuck to the real story instead of making all that up.


That's how I felt once I found out the true story about Dudley. The movie version was not very clear.

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Not only unclear, but horribly inaccurate. Elizabeth and Dudley were lifelong friends, she never refused to see him and was quite noticeably upset upon his death. I wish they would've stayed true to history in that respect, becauae their relationship was an interesting one.

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This is one of the few things I dislike about Shekar Kapur's film - he has largely made this part up. Elizabeth and Dudley did have several arguments and falling outs over the years, but he was never involved in a plot to assassinate her or in danger of being executed for conspiracy.

What Kapur doesn't bother to tell the viewer (and the sequel has the same problem), is that Dudley remained part of Elizabeth's cabinet until the end of his life and was one of her commanders during the Spanish Armada invasion in 1588.

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they never said that she refuses to see him again..
they said that she was never alone with him since then --> so for me this refers to their love relationship
They didn't say that they no longer have any kind of relationship - but they won't be alone in her room having sex as they used to

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Except that's not true either. They were alone repeatedly up until not long before his death. When Robert died Elizabeth locked herself in her chamber and refused to come out for days. They finally had to break the door down to get to her. And when Elizabeth died they found a casket with his last letter to her by her bedside.
I have always firmly believed that these were two people who loved each other very much. I think it's a pity they lived when they did. Today no one would bat an eye if they wanted to wed. Assuming you could prove neither had anything to do with the death of Amy Dudley (for the record I don't think they did.) To make Robert out to be a conniving, fickle jerk is to do a serious disservice to them both.

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I'm with you. I think Elizabeth and Robert were a 21st century couple in the 16th century. I wish someone would tell their real story and not the fiction that Elizabeth is. It is a beautiful film and Kate and Joe were wonderful in it but I can't help but think if Elizabeth could see what they had done to her "Sweet Robin" we would see the Tudor temper in all its glory.

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How is it possible that Elizabeth knew nothing of Dudley's marriage (according to the film)? Her advisors were probably too frightened of her anger to make this fact known...

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She knew about the first marriage before she became Queen. In fact, she accepted that fact as a roadblock to protect her from Dudley making any marriage attempts.

But she didn't know about the second one made behind her back.

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I think they went too far with making Dudley a co-conspirator, especially since he barely does anything of value in the conspiracy and it's like they only did it so Elizabeth would turn her back on him more quickly in the end. It was hard to understand how he could go along with the plot with all the love in his heart for her, other than getting a cold shoulder after she learned of his marriage. I wonder if Kapur was even researching the details of Elizabeth's history and simply ignoring them or if he just plucked this famous name and that out of textbooks and made up his own character out of each of them without reading any of the facts.

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I think they combined Dudley with the Earl of Essex.

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He wanted this at the end? I'm confused as I thought he loved her or were his intentions something else?


If this were true, would've Walsingham had him executed as he did with the Queen's other assassins?

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I agree, but the scene towards the end of the film where she is speaking with Robert and he's looking pretty awful was confusing. Did he sort of admit that he had thought about assassination but didn't carry it out? And Elizabeth more or less forgave him?

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I thought the British TV series showed their relationship more accurately. The script devoted time to his relationship with his first wife who seemed to be quite wise. Although she was sick, her death was controversial as it appeared to be a suicide. I believe Dudley's second wife was one of her ladies in waiting. He married her "for comfort, Bess."

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These are my thoughts too. He looks completely devastated in that scene, so I don't understand why he even went along with the plan in the first place? It's a major whole in the script that I wish they would have fleshed out better.

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He wanted her killed because he loved her? WHAT?

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