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Young Jesus was disrespectful

posted 11 years ago by dsims8
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Sure Denzel's character (Jake) may have overdone it and pushed him a little too hard, but if I ever talked to my Dad like that as a little boy, I would have been picking my teeth up off the floor, literally.

Then Jesus storms off when his Dad tells him to get his ball that he threw over the fence. He yelled back, "I ain't getting a damn thing!" Now c'mon, if my child talked to me like that, no matter how wrong i may have been, I would've been furious and given him the a$$ whoppin' of his life. And then they get back home to the dinner table, he gets up from the table completely ignoring and disregarding his father's orders telling him to stay put.

I just want some opinions on this matter on if they agree, because I think things may have not escalated to what they did if Jesus had just obeyed his father. To me, he was talking to his Dad like he was grown. Sure Jake may have been antagonizing but I really think the end result was just bad luck for him.

[–] Citizen88 10 years ago

I totally agree with you. I'm just 25, not 40+, yet I never talked to my father that way as a child and if i would have done it, then i would have been pickimg my teeth up off the floor too. I wasn't abused as a child btw, that's for the those who would assume something like that.

Now, about the mother's death, that was clearly an accident. He never ment to hurt anybody and I'm sure he never did before.

I loved Denzel's performance, he's a master, he saved the movie.

[–] blaque108 10 years ago

I agree OP. I thought Jesus was one disprectful kid as well. I'm 31 and I can't remember talking to my parents like that if I did I would have been knocked into the next week or had a switch to my backside. I hated that the mother had to die because she was trying to protect her son and stop her husband but if it wasn't for Jesus acting a damn fool and just talking to his dad she would have been alive.

[–] goombapizza 10 years ago

So basically what you're saying is you're down with child abuse and knocking a child's teeth out when he says something that upsets you. Good to know. I'll just grab your IP address and let your local police department know there's an abuser in their town who they should watch out for.

People like you make me sick. People who glorify terrorizing children by injuring them and making them afraid to get beaten to a bloody pulp and lose teeth. Do you think you types of people make these children turn out better? All studies show the opposite: children who are raised with violent "discipline" from their parents tend to end up spending time in jail as violent offenders themselves. When you learn from your parents' example that hitting people is the way to go, then that's exactly what you end up doing.

Stop setting a bad example for your poor kids. Stop perpetuating the cycle of violence. Don't hit your kids and they're less likely to hit other people.

[–] dsims8 10 years ago

LOL. There WOULD be one person to disagree and great, shows variation in the way we think! But you're totally wrong about me.

I'm not an advocate of violence at all. But the fact of the matter is young Jesus was still a child in his parent's house. His duty was to respect his father and not enrage him. I don't remember Denzel terrorizing or hitting his son in a manner that would beget violence. He just played a little too rough with him.

maybe you're from a different era than I am. I am 33, born in the 1980s. But i don't care how wrong my parent's were, anything they told me to do, I did it. If i talked to my parents the way young Jesus talked to his Dad, I for sure would've gotten my butt snatched up.

Your response shouldn't be so black and white. My parents were raised the same way and neither one of them grew up physically abusive. I was raised like that by my parents and I'm not like that. It all comes down to the individual person and their psychological thought patterns. No study can paint a perfect picture of that.

I work at a juvenile detention center and many of the most aggressive kids are those missing a strong male figure in their life who can knock them on their a%% when they act up. Sometimes its necessary.

Thanks for your perspective and your further comments are welcome.

[–] goombapizza 10 years ago

I'm 30 years old and it matters nothing to me what your individual experience was or that of your parents. Three people is hardly an adequate sample size. I've read all the studies on the outcomes of different kinds of "discipline". Kids who do not get hit tend to turn out less criminal and less violent than kids who do get hit. There are always exceptions but the pattern is there. I guarantee you that the juvenile offenders in your care are not offenders "because they lacked a father to beat them up." More likely it's due to low IQ, lack of family stability, low socioeconomic status, and high incidence of the sociopathy gene - all things which also correlate highly with absentee parents.

[–] dsims8 10 years ago

You're twisting my words around to try to say that I think a father figure should be there to beat up children. Once again, you're wrong. You seem to really take cliches very seriously. I'm not advocating child abuse, but spankings yes. I do not have children but I know you have to stay on your children to keep them from turning to the streets. And those statistics that you've "read" may mean something on one end of the spectrum, but i have a different perspective because I actually see it in front of me. I supervise, visit and counsel with many of those families, see how they live, so i know what I'm talking about, and not mainly basing it off statistical data.

But we've managed veer off topic, if you want to go back and forth about child abuse, again I will welcome your viewpoints, but that's a different topic. The original statement in here was saying that as a child, Jesus was disrespectful to his father and how that played a major role to how things escalated to what they did. I stood by that and I still stand by it

[–] tyshimah3 10 years ago

I love the way you write.
And I agree with you. Jesus was a little out of control, but a big part of that is probably because he had the overbearing father and the sweet, laid back mother. And that he was spoiled, being the only child for so long and a basketball prodigy.

"Do you even remember what you came here to find?"

[–] Milkdoesabodygood 8 years ago

Fathers do NOT raise your children in wrath! Biblical saying.

Spoiler alert for them spoil sports out there! Y'all like spoiled milk, stop crying over it!

[–] goombapizza 8 years ago

Statistical data matters a hell of a lot more than "Yeah, well, but I've seen some guys do X, Y and Z!" You clearly don't understand the significance of broad-scale statistics and why they're infinitely more important and telling than the tiny scope of your personal experience.

I'm so sick of hearing this exchange: "Well, Bob, yesterday I read several large-scale peer-reviewed studies that showed cyanide apples are poisonous to 40% of dogs." "Oh, come on, Frank, that's horsepoop! I have three dogs and I fed them all cyanide apples and none of them died. Your studies mean nothing because I've seen it for myself." OH, WELL, THAT SETTLES IT, THEN! Wait, no, it actually means Bob fails at a basic grasp of rationality and number comprehension. I weep for any future dogs Bob might own.