why did the wally and candy go to the orphange to get an abortion? why not just go to a dr.
why did mr rose say he was making history when homer was going to work with them.
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To answer your first question, abortion was illegal back then. You couldn't just go to any doctor to get one. Dr. Larch was running an illegal operation. Hell, you can't even just go now to a regular doctor to get an abortion.
shareTo answer the second part of your question, I think it was VERY uncommon back in those days for white people to be working under blacks. I think this is what Mr. Rose was refering to when he said he is "making history".
I also wondered about the reality of there being black migrant workers coming all the way north to central Maine in the 1940's. Did that really happen?
shareComing to IMDB for a lesson on US socioeconomic history seems a bit strange. Might I recommend doing some reading?
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Wow. Ok, I need to research things myself, I guess, prior to just "wondering aloud" in print on a movie message board.
Fair enough.
And you probably need to not be so much of a douche when people just ask simple little things that don't necessarily require any effort by or a response from you.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with "wondering aloud." If you are wondering, someone else is too. If someone knows an answer they can tell you.
shareA lot of Black folks left the southern US and moved north during the first half of the 20th century. It's called the Great Migration. Most went to large industrial cities. I doubt many went all the way to Maine, but it's definitely possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_%28African_American%29
Yeah, that's what I was thinking - too far to go to central Maine. Thanks
shareIt was also nice that Mr. Rose was addressed with respect. That was rare back then too. Not to mention the employers did seem to care about their welfareto some extent. Rose did receive second hand clothes. They didn't have to do that.
shareSorry about the person who so rudely told you to read up on this. This isn't just a site about movie filming technique!
To answer your questions about migrant workers: yes, it was common back then, for unskilled, especially Black or Hispanic workers to travel north with the planting and then south with the harvest, along the coast especially, just as Mexican workers did in California.
Common places to find agricultural work were orchards, as in the film, but also tobacco fields, especially in the Connecticut River Valley. A probable reason for this was that, once the North became more industrial, farm owners had trouble finding workers who would work cheaply, or at all. Migrant workers were welcome because they accepted harsh working conditions and were not devalued (at least while there was work to do).
They were generally NOT welcome during the 1930's and 40's on the government's New Deal projects, since manufacturing and public works projects refused to hired non-whites. Agriculture was a viable alternative to unemployment, though the pay wasn't good.
Up until the late 1970's, migrant workers lived in shacks like the one in the movie and their kids usually got little or no education. Then states began assuring that living conditions were improved, they received health care and that kids attended school. To this day, migrant workers still come to the farms all over the Northeast.
and Mexican_Americans from Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. in the 30's and 40's every spring after school let out, my grandparents loaded up all the kids and went north to pick fruit..hence the name "migrant farm workers.
shareAbortion was illegal then, certainly, and remained so until 1973, when the Supreme Court ruled that it was legal. Still, some states did and do prohibit it in varying degrees or require parental consent. Hospitals can refuse to perform them, usually do to religious or "moral" objections.
In Ciderhouse Rules, you see that Homer does NOT want to perform abortions, but after he sees what Rose Rose goes through (and the other part about her pregnancy that is MORE troubling), he realizes that for some people, there are few options.
Another film that dealt with abortion was "Dirty Dancing", taking place in 1962. If you saw it, you'll remember (are spoilers needed? Okay...) that Penny had to go to a sleazy guy "with a dirty knife and folding table", who gave her an infection. Baby's father, a doctor is called in and treats her, but is furious. This danger of women seeking out untrained "doctors" for abortions is the argument for abortion availability, not an argument for just having them as birth control.
As for the "making history" thing, it was true that not only was it rare for whites to work for blacks, even as supervisors, but Homer was also living in the same quarters, which was unheard of back then. (I love the reading of the stupid rules...and how one of the guys says, "Why don't they just say, 'Don't go up on the roof?').
And yes, migrant workers do come to New England every late summer and fall to harvest apples and other fruit. I live near where "The Ciderhouse Rules" was filmed, in Northampton, Mass., (at a former mental hospital, now gone) and Brattleboro, VT. The orchard can be seen from the highway, Interstate 91, just past the MA/VT state line. Only the coastal scenes were filmed in Maine...or perhaps Nova Scotia! Migrant workers come here every year, but now the housing is much better than just a shack and the kids are given the option of taking classes if they want. Orchard and farm work like this is also done by young people, such as high school students.
I didn't think your question was invalid at all! DO they teach this stuff in school anymore? NO! Props to you for your interest in history and culture.
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Many thanks for the great post Shannon.
shareGetting an abortion was against the law until January 1973. (see Roe v Wade) Also be aware because some special interests are trying to overturn this.
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