i've only just started watching the series on UKTV Drama, and could anyone who watched it tell me if Mr Twelvetrees ever loved Ivy, because she clearly loves him. Did anything come of it?
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Perhaps he cared for them both, and just found it hard to choose between 2 women
shareI might not have this in the right order, but in the last episode - because of the Depression - Lord Meldrum could only afford to employ Mabel, so Alf and Ivy went back to the circus where they'd been before. James visited, saw Ivy and offered her a job at a boarding house or something he was going to run, but made it clear that he wasn't offering her anything romantically, and she still went off to work with him anyway. I thought it was quite sad, really.
"If we go on like this, you're going to turn into an Alsatian again."
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I don't think Ivy could have made Mr Twelvetrees happy, sadly. She was just too daffy. I could see him never marrying. Maybe Ivy hooked up with Henry in the end?! I haven't seen the last series for ages, really looking forward to the release.
shareAw no, I disagree! I'm sure she could've been right for him, given the right circumstances!! He may have been strict on the outside but she loved him for who he was inside and I think that really they were probably very well matched!
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I know this is like 9 years in the making but upon seeing this series recently [just bought them] I can't say that POPPY would have made him any happier. pretend the gentry/servant line disappeared and they were just co workers or something...
[disregard the ages in this analogy...]
Poppy is the BLANCHE DEVERAUX to James's MILES. Ivy is obviously ROSE. ROSE AND MILES found each other.
Poppy kept on being loose and flinging herself at ANYONE. She also used her advantage [james liked her and was attracted to her] too many times and then disciplined him for forgetting himself and kissing her. she was just too flingy. in today's age she would have been dirty.
now onto ivy. who cares if she is daft? she is, at least susceptible to learning. [poppy just didn't care] and like it or not, sometimes it is not wholly about YOUR happiness, but someone else's. it is very hard to find someone who is as happy with you as you are with them. Ivy would have spent her life waiting on him hand and foot, making him as comfortable and happy as she could. and that would have made HER happy.
and so what if they can't sit side by side and read war and peace? so what? she was a riot! SELL THE MONKAE!!
OH THANK YOU GOD! THANK YOU SO BLOODY MUCH!!! Basil Fawlty
I think he was already in love with Ivy. He started caring for her right from the start. He was backing down from his high horse slowly but steadily the whole series. He had the right instincts, like comforting her when she was crying about wanting him to be happy.
They're minds were together on most subjects, like her father and his greed, etc.
He was protective of her, like spilling wine on Poppy at the ball to pay her back for ruining Ivy's dress.
I think that getting away from the Meldrum household where his favorite sport was groveling and being his own master would probably straighten him out and drain out some of the pompous.
[just happening to be swinging by...]
AGREED!
I think he had a certain respect for her, and he was just too square [sorry, james] to get into any sort of hanky panky with anyone below stairs.
sometimes marriage [especially back then] isn't about being madly in love with someone, sometimes it is about just meshing with someone. being someone's kindred spirit.
to back him up... he had like 9 years of being pompous because he worked as a valet/footman.
ps... I am watching downton abbey and I can't believe the lengths the crawley family went FOR their staff! srsly! even grandmamma would get concerned and offer advice to a servant!
unfortunately, I think this show [you rang] gave a more accurate view as to how most of the gentry behaved towards their servants. especially poppy. but I hope there were some cissy's out there!
Reading the paper can really be depressing. Mr. Dithers fired Dagwood again.
I've been rewatching it and laughing myself silly. I had my favorites before but now I'm appreciating how good the other actors were in their roles, especially Lord Meldrum, Lady Agatha, Sir Ralph, Mrs. Lipton. I always appreciated Ivy, Henry, Mabel, Stokes and of course Teddy. Madge Cartwright was funny also.
I liked Cissy a lot but she never had any funny lines. I could never stand Poppy or Lady Lavender. James was okay but not too funny.
I wish they would do a few movies.
this is the only show I really like about the trio! I can't get into hi de hi and I can see why beeching didn't make it past the second season.
look at the woman cecil [james on this show] loves! god, she is gross!!! why her???
and she happens to be married to [stokes on this show] they still don't get along but check out Cecil's bod! yum!. ivy on this show is a single mother to an even daftier teenage/young adult son but looks good.
I don't know why they didn't do pair their characters again in this show? or in the hi de hi show? they seem to really mesh.
I am laughing myself silly by making memes. they are not on the internet but on my google drive.
http://www.davidcroft.co.uk/assets/images/img/sml/yrml12_l.jpg you ticklish, mr twelvetrees??
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sLUooQCdJm8/hqdefault.jpg so ivy, tell me more about this dream you had with james and strawberry yoghurt...
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AnuDg78nsNg/hqdefault.jpg I think the lost souls are stuck in this 'ere black thing...
Reading the paper can really be depressing. Mr. Dithers fired Dagwood again.
I'm not really into cheesy romantic storylines, but this is an exception. Ivy and James were so sweet! I like to think they got together in the end. :)
I'm BOTH! I'm a celebrity - in an emergency.
why would they leave us with the idea of them walking off holding hands if nothing was going to happen?
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I can see in a way how it could work - she could keep him from being so uptight and he could keep her grounded when she tends to let things run away with her. Also, she didn't learn to expect much honesty and dependibility from a man from her father - take his relationship with Mrs Lipton. That she would from James must have been attractive too.
It would only have worked if he didn't ground her spirit though - I think that's what Alf was afraid of when he let her go off with James at the end.
Good point about Ivy's father - they often say that girls tend to go for a man who reminds them of their dad, however in this case it seems more like "opposites attract!"
shareIf I remember, James and Ivy agree to run a boarding house together; he doesn't offer her a job, but they intend to become equal business partners with the money they've both saved.
As they are leaving together, Ivy stumbles upon a rock on the beach and James takes her hand. I felt that was supposed to be a clear sign that they would eventually end up together and that James would grow to love her (despite his warning her that this was strictly business and he liked her very much but just as a friend).
I felt like Ivy could be happy with the arrangement either way as long as they were together in some capacity.
James attraction to women, I feel, was probably something to do with his self-training to "better" himself and be higher above his station so I feel like he may have looked at women superficially and regarded their beauty and wealth more than their brains or their personality (because of where and what he hailed from I can see why he would be like that).
I still believe he would have eventually married Ivy because it was the sensible and honourable thing to do (two people running a boarding house together as a non-married couple in those days still probably would have looked strange. I can see James thinking that marrying Ivy would be a noble thing to do to protect her and himself from rumours about their relationship.
I like to assume that they eventually fell in love, married, and had a son who followed in his grandfather's footsteps as a comedian, and took the stage name Spike Dixon.
shareI have the entire series on DVD and was just watching again kind of cheated and went to the scene on the beach with James and Ivy. I remember watching this the first time around having a crush on Jeffrey Holland as Twelvetrees. And i thougt then as i think now the same that they ended up together. He would grow to love her and i would like to think they lived happily ever after. Just thinking i recall in the film Remains of the day that Emma Thompson's charater went off to marry and run a boarding house. Was it common for former servents of the gentry to do this. Just Curious.
shareI like the idea! And maybe Alf once put a Miss Bovis in the club?
sharethe ending is ambivalent. personally, i found it a bit disappointing. I would have liked something a bit more subversive of the social order, like ivy ending up with teddy, and mr twelvetrees with Poppy.
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