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Oh come on...this movie's just horrible!!


Cracks me up seeing all these people going on and on about how great this movie is...plot holes you could drive a truck through (If Chris and Rand are really plotting together against Tim, would Chris have really let Tim roll him off the cliff alone...and didn't I hear a splash immediately afterwards...that was a pretty *beep* big cliff...)

Oh, and BTW, Michael Vartan is the most wooden, unemotional actor I've seen lately...

The only thing going for it is a pretty decent acting job my Matt Lillard, who I've always thought was rather underrated (see SLC punk)

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I love Matthew Lillard and he was great in this.

I loved this movie and still do, but don't think it's the greatest but it does it's job of entertaining.

HOW MUCH BLOOD WILL YOU SHED TO STAY ALIVE?

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Chris knew that Tim was in on it so he was aware that Tim would in no way really push Rand off the cliff. Rand would have kept Chris up to speed with all of his and Tim's plans. The splash was the rock which Lillard was holding aloft seconds before.

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I love the movie. I can't help it. So many twists and turns. It keep me interested to the end. As far as Rand's "death" scene goes, the reason Chris turned away is because it was part of Tim and Rand's plan. The point was to make it look like Tim was running the show as far as Chris was concerned. I don't know if you noticed or not, but Tim was trying to be the Alpha male. If Chris hadn't gone along with Tim and Rand's plan, Chris and Rand's plan wouldn't have worked. Also the splash was from the rock Tim was holding. There was enough time for him to throw it over the cliff and it make the splash.

Oh and BTW, as far as Michael Vartan's acting goes, have you seen anything he's been in other than this movie? I believe he's a good actor, and his acting was perfect for his role in this movie.

Also, Matthew is not underrated. He moved up to lead actor in almost no time. Everyone knows how good of an actor he is. He's REALLY good at playing a borderline psychotic [Scream and Dead Man's Curve (or The Curve, whatever you wanna call it) are great examples of that.].

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It's amusing and fun to watch but that doesn't discard the fact that the movie was horribly done.

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Thing is, there isn't actually a single plot hole that can't be explained.

The only one I thought was a plot hole was when Tim and Emma were talking about Chris maybe killing Rand, but then I thought, if Emma knows about Tim and Rand's plan anyway, they should already know all this...but then I realized the whole conversation was for the benefit of the Counsellor who they knew was listening in. Seeing as their plan was to fram Chris and neither of them were aware that actually the lead plan was actually Chris and Rand, it makes sense. Chris knows that the counsellor would never breathe a word of anything to anyone as he asked her earlier in the film, Chris would have told Rand this, and Rand would have told Tim and Emma to engineer that whole discussion and add that the Counsellor would tell the police everything she had heard about Chris...the fact that she said nothing proves how foolproof the whole plan was. You can see at the end that the Counsellor KNOWS Rand is bullshi**ing, but she is powerless to break her oath

For once this is a twisty plot that WORKS!

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What was Tim's plan to do with Rand body if Chris never looked away???

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Don't get the question

'Ziggy Piggy'

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Chris looked away when Tim said he was gonna use the rock which is how Tim pulled off making it look like he threw Rand off. But what is Chris was all bad ass and never looked away?

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Well, for Tim's benefit he had to act as if the thought of murder horrified him

'Ziggy Piggy'

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But Tim is nuts... what if Tim decided to kill Rand anyways and have less accomplices? Multiple times Chris trusted Tim to act a certain way when Tim could just Kill Rand in the beginning, or kill Chris at the end before Rand loaded the gun. And why the heck would Chris trust Emma after what she pulled? All this trust AND double crossing makes these people sound completely nuts. And it's amazing how they somehow knew Natalie would kill herself. Somehow they all knew what each other was doing and not doing and was sure everything would work out and it all did until Tim got murdered and he for once didn't see this coming. And Emma was only a little scared to be next.

It all doesn't make sense in real life.

Sure there aren't clear plot holes, but everybody has to be screwing with everybody else and nobody is ever afraid they are going to actually be murdered until Tim gets pushed off the cliff. It's amazing that Tim assumed everybody loved him, and everybody trusted the Tim whom they knew was a horrible person and deserved to die.

That's why this movie is bad... yes, sorta still entertaining in an complicated unbelievable way, but twists should come together at the end. Things should be clear when the twist is revealed, but instead in opens up so many questions about why they did all this. Screw Emma.... Rand and Chris should have just pushed Tim off the cliff in the first place. And Rand shouldn't have been dating a girl he couldn't stand just for Emma's sake.

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Yeah Tim is nuts but look at it this way..

At the end, Rand is talking to the Counselor. He says Emma convinces all of them that they should all take the 4.0's and all go to Harvard just like Tim wanted. And that he was going to major in "Drama"--- Tim says he hated Rand because Rand was rich, and had his life handed to him on a silver platter. He didn't need to go to Harvard to major in drama. He was doing this because he knew Tim since 5th grade and knew how awful of a person Tim was. Chris was the one who got ONE B his whole life and was scared he would not get into Harvard.

Rand was the puppet master or I guess "director" of this entire plan. Or "drama"

They were all psychos.


Emma was pre-med, so we don't really know if the pill Natalie took was an abortion pill. Or pills she was giving Natalie to feel sick/depressed. But either way she was the one emotionally waring her down and giving her pills then told her she was pregnant. Emma could have been the pregnant one, and shown her actual tests. We never see if Natalie sees the tests but she believes it. Emma wanted Natalie to commit suicide for her own 4.0

I think the reason Chris wasnt having sex with Emma was because at first he was stressed about Harvard. Then Rand probably told him he knew Tim and Emma were in on this against him and also having sex. And she was prob having sex with Tim because Chris wouldn't with her..and then she prob found out about the fake plan (Tim and Chris killing Rand) not the real plan (Rand and Chris killing tim)

But Rand was always in on it with Natalie too. He "acted" like an abusive boyfriend for 3 months with Natalie also to break her down. He "acted" like a crazy a-hole the night of the party so witnesses could see the fight about the pregnancy and everything else. If Emma were actually a good friend, she never would have let Natalie tell Rand in front of everyone she was pregnant. She was actually being mean in that moment saying "Come on Rand you're going to make her cry." That isn't supportive, that is subtle bitchiness. Which shows she was already way into the plan with Tim and Rand.

Tim was a pawn and the ultimate real "victim". He was the one ultimately getting screwed. Natalie wasn't a pawn but a victim honestly. Emma wanted her 4.0 as well so Natalie had to die and Rand only started dating her to get everything in motion. Abusive boyfriend mode, into false pregnancy scare, fake fight blow out at the party and then they waited hopefully that she would break down and also kill herself. If she didnt, well, Emma would be the one getting screwed but not Chris and Rand. They always knew they would turn the tables on Tim because Rand despised him and Chris wanted a good grade and also hated Tim for sleeping with Emma, being a horrible person in general (worse than even all the rest of them) and everything else.

There aren't really any plot holes.

And it's obvious Emma and Chris were walking the campus "as a couple" until graduation so things seemed normal. Wouldn't it look suspicious if they broke up when their best friend had died? Everything had to seem normal. Everyone is like why on earth would Chris get back with Emma. Um, he wouldn't. He just acted like it. Once they all went to Harvard who knows if htey all would even remain friends but Harvard was the plan and destination and they had to fool everyone around them.

And the counselor did put it all together but isn't technically aloud to tell anyone anything unless someone says they are going to hurt themselves or someone else. Yes she could legally tell the police what she knew--- what she heard off campus. Her suspicions. But they did cover their tracks well, and she knew the police wouldn't be able to prove anything really. There was a body, a suicide note, Rand had his explanation, Chris and Emma were still together and fine to the outside world, and without any real evidence, the police had no case against them.

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Oh and about it being crazy Tim believing everyone trusted him--- yes it makes sense because Tim was a narcissist who also seemed to have borderline personality disorder. He trusts no-one but firmly believes no one should ever abandon him, and fears people will so he tests them. He did say he didn't trust anyone, ever, and pushes them away to see if they will stay---- he pushed Chris and Chris stayed (because he had to because of the plan) The plan Tim didnt know about, so he ended up trusting Chris. But in the beginning oft he film, Tim is looking in his reflection fixing his hair at the same time of talking about killing Rand and says something like "Man..." like he was obsessed with his looks. That is pure narcissism. So he does ultimately believe everyone around him loves him, thinks the world of him, as he does himself. He is crazy but smart, so he even though he's crazy and insecure and untrusting it doesn't make him believe that everyone around him is mistrusting and if he feels that--he tests them. So it was kind of perfect Chris was in on it, because he had to stay along for the ride no matter how much Tim pushed and prodded him. Basically Chris and Rand's plan was gold and couldn't fail. Tim was the perfect smart idiot to believe it all. Chris and Rand both played their parts well.

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Chris was always going to look away because Chris and Rand were the ultimate plan makers not Tim. Rand told Chris to act like it was too much for him and LOOK AWAY. No matter what. Tim could have mocked him all he wanted to get him to watch---and Chris still would have looked away. But also Tim knew he would too--because he HAD to for Tim to trick him. Rand was in control of everything. He told Tim don't worry Chris will chicken out and prob look away--and if he doesnt, find a way to break him down so its too hard to watch so he does look away. But it didnt have to come to that because Chris acting like he shy, cowardly, "this is all too much" kind of guy was enough to convince Tim.

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I saw this in the theater and no... it wasn't great. Seemed to have a nice cast though.

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I guess everyone is suppose to only like the movies you like. lol

I wouldn't consider this movie great, but It's not horrible either. And I certainly wouldn't be the loser coming on here bashing people who like it.





I don't take pleasure in a man's pain, but my wrath will come down like a cold rain.

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I agree! Horrible, terrible, horrific movie! Horrible, convoluted, confusing plot line. So-so acting. I just wish I had not wasted my time sitting through it.

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All movies have plot holes. There is not one that doesn't. Can't be perfect.

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