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It's amazing how much reverse nostalgia people have about this movie. I remember many people being excited. It had been so long since ROTJ had been released to theaters, and they were ecstatic about the new movie, having almost no idea what it was going to be like. I remember seeing college students in the theater, when we went to watch "Star Trek: Insurrection," clapping and cheering when we saw the commercial for Phantom Menace. People would spend hours just downloading the trailers online, just to see it! We were all dazzled by the special-effects and story it told.

And then, 20 years later, all anyone can do is complain.

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Of course anticipation was high for the Phantom Menace. I recall reading about hundreds of people going to theaters on their lunch break and paying full price for a movie ticket just to watch the Phantom Menace trailer. They'd dip in, watch the trailer, and leave. It only played before 3 films-- Meet Joe Black, The Siege, and The Waterboy, and all three films saw significant jumps in box office due to the trailer. According to Variety, around 500 people came into a screening of The Siege in Los Angeles one afternoon, and about two thirds of them left as soon as the Phantom Menace trailer concluded.

You mention people spending hours downloading the trailers online, but 1998 was before the internet was the omnipresent part of our lives it is today, so the 10 million downloads, which seems small by today's standards, was then a record. So yes, you are absolutely correct that everyone was excited... IN ADVANCE.

The original Star Wars hit theaters on my 7th birthday, and all 3 of the original films were important to me as a child, so of course I was one of many who eagerly awaited The Phantom Menace. And like most, I was disappointed after watching the film. I don't think there's much reverse nostalgia going on here. My friend and I walked out of the opening night showing dismayed by how disappointed we felt, and what a mess of a movie we'd just seen, and the others exiting the theater were expressing similar sentiments.

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Lots of the original boycotted before they even saw it. Which I think it’s prejudice. How can you hate something just by it’s appearance. You cant judge a book by its cover? I almost did the same with the force awakens and ended up loving it. A true fan has to like the bad with the good. You cant just pick and choose. It was George Lucas who did them for godsake. Some people hold him with high regard like a genius, completely overrated, far from it.

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Any criticism of ROTJ is nothing more than revisionist garbage. People weren't disappointed by it at the time.

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Same thing with the criticism for The Phantom Menace. Adult Star Wars fans who grew up with the originals may have not been so warm on Episode I, but every kid who was at least 4-years-old or older who saw it as their first Star Wars films and first Star Wars experience in theater loved it and kept begging our parents or guardians to take us to see it multiple times. And plenty of kids who grew up with Episode I and ever had any genuine love for the film still love it or least like it and given in to the hate bandwagon hivemind on the Internet like unfortunately so many other millennials have.

Nostalgia aside, the film has absolutely stood the test of time because it's always genuinely been not just a great Star Wars movie, but a great movie in itself period. And there is no way anyone possibly prefer the next two Prequels or the Disney films over this film unless you're just really mentally ill, or have really bad taste in movies.

The other two Prequels on the other hand...yeah that's definitely when things started to go downhill...they have always been a mixed bag among the general public even with Episode III's so-called "return to form" reception.

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The Phantom Menace is not a great Star Wars movie, and it's not a great movie in and of itself, either. This is my opinion, of course, but I disagree with that evaluation.

I think the plot is meandering, the characters are flat, and large swathes of the action scenes are boring - the finale in particular drags as I don't care about the Gungans v. Battle Droids, the gunfights in the throne room are banal, and Anakin taking out the droid ship felt like a low-rent version of the Death Star attack from the first film.

I do prefer The Force Awakens to The Phantom Menace. By a long shot. Last Jedi...eh that's another thing. I'm not saying The Force Awakens is brilliant, by the way, just that it's a much better movie than The Phantom Menace.

In my opinion. You go ahead and think I have bad taste in movies. People in glass houses...

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I agree with your evaluation. Again, not knocking MWPP294, but either opinion of this film is fine. I just happen to fall on the side of those like Ace_Spade.

For me, some of the events just stretched the suspension of disbelief way to far... JarJar stumbling about, accidentally setting of a blaster that only happens to hit the Battle Droids (he may have the best shot to hit ratio in the entire series), QuiGon and Obi Wan being able to run away like Sonic the Hedgehog on steroids, and Anakin somehow taking out a capital ship entirely by accident. There were just so many cringe-worthy moments...

I mean, for goodness sake, who builds a starship and puts a critical component that can blow up the whole ship at the end of a landing bay?

But I do remember the excitement leading up to the movie, waiting in line at midnight to be one of the first to see it! Unfortunately, in my opinion, the movie wasn’t worthy of the hype.

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Too much hype! Exactly!

I want to be fair to Lucas (and Abrams and Johnson, et al.) I'm not sure it's possible to make a great Star Wars film again because each film bears the burden of the nostalgia and glory of the first three. The first film is a near-flawless work of art. It's special, magical, creative, and has a strikingly tight script. Dialogue isn't the best, but hey, no film is perfect, and it's not bad for an adventure film.

So when The Phantom Menace comes along, it has to be epic and live up to our expectations. How could it?

If it were a standalone film, the first of a new saga, I think we'd remember it as that drugged-up crazy kids film that threw everything at the wall and survived by audacity. We'd remember laser swords and Jedi knights, we'd remember podracing and Amidala's strange hairdos. But we'd probably still shake our heads and go, "Yeah, but what about that stuff with the Jesus kid's immaculate conception, the political stuff that goes nowhere, the slapstick humour," and so on.

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Around the time that The Last Jedi came out, I rewatched ROTJ for the first time in about 20 years.

I wouldn't say that "any criticism" is "revisionist garbage." There are things to criticize about that film. For one, it's tonally inconsistent. A lot of the stuff with the ewoks feels like a children's film with juvenile comedy, whereas the final act is very serious, and touches on interesting philosophical themes and gets relatively dark. There are scenes in the film which, when stacked up next to each other, don't even feel like they're from the same movie.

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Actually there's nothing incorrect with your comments / thoughts here. Reading back, I can see I didn't fully contextualise what I was saying (in response to the OP's comments), which was that attributing some major cultural criticism of ROTJ at it's time of release was revisionist nonsense. It's not that you can't make any criticisms full stop.

But seeing something written like:-

So, why were people over the age of 25 surprised when TPM turned out to be as bad as it was? It was just a logical progression that had already started in 1983.

is just rubbish.

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No, I was disappointed by "ROTJ" in 1983. It seemed childish, flat, and poorly edited compared to the first two films, and I was disappointed by the redwood forest setting as I lived near redwoods at the time. I wanted to see other planets, not something that looked like the park in the next neighborhood over!

Oddly, I wasn't as disappointed by "TPM" on first viewing, even though it's a vastly inferior movie. I suppose it was like seeing "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", I wanted to like those movies SO badly that my critical judgement was offline.

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" childish, flat, and poorly edited"
and how old were you in 83?
I was 12 , and therefore unable to detect these things.
and i might have already read the book first , not sure

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I was in my early twenties then, which yes, makes me old as dirt now. But I was a geek and a nerd and I'd seen just about every sci-fi movie ever made from Melies on, and I had Opinions about things.

And i really was disappointed by the redwood forest, among other things. The nearest natural redwood grove was two miles away, an easy after-work stroll.

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yeah but on the plus side..
Thd nearest natural redwood grove was two miles away, an easy after-work stroll.

most of us can only dream of living in forest of the worlds biggest trees !

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Actually, there's a difference between the regular California redwoods, which edge onto what is now Silicon Valley, and the massive Giant Sequoias which are the world's largest trees. Most of the location shooting seems to have been done in a regular redwood forest, not among Giant Sequoias, although they faked up some of the latter for the Ewok village.

I suppose Tunisians who live in the desert felt the same about "A New Hope".

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Christ i was bored of looking at that desert by the time they got to mos Isley !
never mind the locals!

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It's not bad. The story and acting are better than the originals.

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By time "Return" came around, Lucas just wanted to wrap it up. You can tell that in the filmmaking. But, Lucas always just messed around with his creation. That's how he just decided to make Vader Luke's father, even though that was never the plan until they were in the third draft of "Empire."

"Star Wars" fans took the movies infinitely more seriously than Lucas did. When making the prequels, Lucas said of all the material he came up with beforehand, 60% was for III, and 20% each was for I and II. The rest, he said, was "like playing jazz." He just made up a bunch of stuff for the movies.

That's how you got what you got.

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As much explosive hype as there was about the movie, there were actually a decent amount of people who thought the film might turn out subpar. Most of this came from the fact that Lucas hadn’t directed a movie in 22 years, and that the special editions were shockingly bad with some of their new “enhancements”. I heard one or two people back in 1999 predict that the film would be a massive disappointment, with one of them theorizing the film would be a two-hour special edition version of a new movie. Turns out they were right.

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I loved Return if the Jedi when it came out.
Lucas was 3 for 3.
No reason not to expect him to do well again.
You newbies hate everything now.
RotJ bad? You 're nuts.

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ROTJ was very popular i recall when it came out in 1983, i for one loved it and still do , lots of action and good ending , no idea why it gets so much stick.

I was truly hyped when the prequels were announced, the story of vaders demise, it all came crashing apart when i first watched it , i hated the cast , mace windu, anakin , jar jar , thought palps , obi wan and qui gon were fine but man i thought it sucked on the whole, the storys there, i just thought lucas went ott

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I agree with OP to a degree. RotJ was nowhere near as good as ANH and ESB. My dad took me to see it and we both left the theater underwhelmed. It was "good enough."
Then the Special Editions revealed even more about what Lucas was about and dragged the classics down.
Then TPM was another step down and the next two continued the downward spiral.
TFA was a slight step up. It was refreshing even though severely flawed. The rest is on the same downward trajectory.

The Mandalorian is a small blip of hope on the radar. It is a 7/10 show which feels like a 10/10 show solely due to how bad things have gotten in the Star Wars universe and how it compares to it. Expectations have been about as low as possible and that spices up The Mandalorian.

Of course, there are SW fans who love all of it. Every single thing. The type that get SW tattoos.

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