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Why is this rated so badly?


It isn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

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It isn't bad at all; I think some of it is that people just don't know about it. If more people knew that this existed, more would rate it, hopefully giving it a Etta score.

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agreed, this was a really good movie

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I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who follows the "6.7 out of 10" principle. I consider anything below 6.8 to be considered "bad" but the exception is movies in 6.6 and 6.7. I've discovered that if less than 100,000 people rate it, movies that are actually good could have a lower score but only within the 6.6 to 6.7 range are they still good if that's the case.


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I'm watching it now, and it's aged pretty well, as far as a big budget american animation movie this movie is very unique, I think the problem was that it was released to late, if this movie had released 5-10 years earlier I feel it would have been far better received.

At the time of the release the Disney Renaissance was ending and the popularity of 3D animated movies was on the rise, I guess people were just fatigued with TD animation , that's my theory anyway

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I rated it 1/10 because I thought the plot was stupid and riddled with holes, the different visual styles of hand drawn and computer animation clashed terribly, and tone was extremely uneven veering wildly from dark, serious science fiction to cute Disneyesque attempts at humor.

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I'm curious what holes you're referring to.

the different visual styles of hand drawn and computer animation clashed terribly


Totally disagree.

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What plot holes? Seriously? I think it's a decent movie with some great CGI (the ice fields scenes are fantastic) and I like Bluth's traditional animation on top of it, but the story is risible. I'm basically fine with some level of plot holes so long as there's plenty of chases and pew pew, but if I wanted to be picky...

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The Drej destroy Earth because Earth has invented a technology which converts energy into planets, apparently. The Drej recognise that it's only a matter of time before Earth will commit genocide against the Drej in order to make that planet because let's face it we have a history of being like that.

Firstly, there's no magical special energy out there. And if there was and the scientists who were working on the project knew that the only source of it was the Drej then that's some Doctor Mengele level research they were working on.

Secondly there's no need to make a new planet when the galaxy is full of them and travelling across it is so easy. Why even bother? Tell people that there's a whole galaxy out there to explore and see how long it is before your best and brightest have dispersed across the galaxy of their own free will. Suddenly ole Earth isn't feeling quite so crowded and while your robot asteroid miners are still bringing in the raw materials then there's no need to leave musty old Earth if you don't want to. Or something.

Thirdly if you wanted to mess with the Drej you just upload the plans for your Drej converting planet-maker to the galactic Internet and be assured that even if the Drej destroy YOUR planet, somebody, somewhere is going to be working on the Drej's doom some place else because apparently no matter where you go in the galaxy most aliens are still jerks. Why leave one magical ring in the hands of a child who doesn't know it's importance (like rings never get lost), when your real goal should be getting the technology into as many hands as possible.

Basically the whole story is about the scrappy Drej desperately fighting for their lives, their one mistake being that they were too merciful, sparing some of the monsters who were determined to kill them. Then give that a Hollywood romantic gloss to make it look like the humans are the good guys.

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The Drej destroy Earth because Earth has invented a technology which converts energy into planets, apparently. The Drej recognise that it's only a matter of time before Earth will commit genocide against the Drej in order to make that planet because let's face it we have a history of being like that.


That isn't why they destroyed Earth. They destroyed Earth because they viewed us as a threat to their dominance over the other space faring races.


Firstly, there's no magical special energy out there. And if there was and the scientists who were working on the project knew that the only source of it was the Drej then that's some Doctor Mengele level research they were working on.


It didn't need special energy. It needed energy, period. It had reactors on board but their fuel had been spent during the 15 years of sitting in deep space. They had to convert the power systems on the ship to use Drej energy. It wasn't originally designed to work that way.

Not a plot hole.

Secondly there's no need to make a new planet when the galaxy is full of them and travelling across it is so easy. Why even bother? Tell people that there's a whole galaxy out there to explore and see how long it is before your best and brightest have dispersed across the galaxy of their own free will. Suddenly ole Earth isn't feeling quite so crowded and while your robot asteroid miners are still bringing in the raw materials then there's no need to leave musty old Earth if you don't want to. Or something.


They wanted to recreate Earth, including all the flora and fauna. Hence why Cale is shown examining vials of DNA. The point wasn't simply to occupy another planet, but to recreate our planet.

Not a plot hole either.

Thirdly if you wanted to mess with the Drej you just upload the plans for your Drej converting planet-maker to the galactic Internet and be assured that even if the Drej destroy YOUR planet, somebody, somewhere is going to be working on the Drej's doom some place else because apparently no matter where you go in the galaxy most aliens are still jerks. Why leave one magical ring in the hands of a child who doesn't know it's importance (like rings never get lost), when your real goal should be getting the technology into as many hands as possible.


You know, things you don't like about a story are not necessarily plot holes, right? So far you haven't mentioned a single one. The point of the Titan project was NOT to destroy the Drej, but I've already explained that.

Basically the whole story is about the scrappy Drej desperately fighting for their lives, their one mistake being that they were too merciful, sparing some of the monsters who were determined to kill them. Then give that a Hollywood romantic gloss to make it look like the humans are the good guys.


Basically, you totally misunderstood what the movie was about. Not to mention you don't seem to know what a plot hole is, because all this was supposed to answer my "What plot holes" question and never even came close.

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"Titan A.E." (2000) is a criminally underrated movie. Too bad this film under-performed at the box-office and brought about the collapse of Fox Animation Studios after its release.


Roger Ebert, film critic with The Chicago-Sun Times, wrote this review for this gem . . .

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/titan-ae-2000



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I think I read that before. I think the main problem with the movies original release was that the marketing department didn't seem to know who to direct this movie at. I could be wrong, but I feel like this movie was released just as the teen market was starting to open up.

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You're quite right about the plot hole issues discussed here. There may be plot holes, or inconsistencies but they've not been listed so far, and I'm not fussed enough to think too much about it.

The films problem isn't plot holes - for me, its more plot weakness, and as someone else said, the sometimes incongruous variation in standard of animation varying from top notch to, well, looking like it was drawn for a saturday morning series on a kids network. Again as someone else mentioned there is also what seems to be a confusion in the range of characters - some are almost at times slapstick comical and childish as if aimed at a young audience, while others are are serious and heavy plotline driven as if aimed for the older end of the market. The two sit uncomfortably alongside each other.

I was surprised to see hiw much love there is for this film, partly because I don't rate it myself, and partly because it had really not registered with me before.

Just my opinion. Not telling anyone not to like it or that they are wrong to do so, but this is why I think its a poor film.

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You're quite right about the plot hole issues discussed here. There may be plot holes, or inconsistencies but they've not been listed so far, and I'm not fussed enough to think too much about it.


Indeed.


The films problem isn't plot holes - for me, its more plot weakness, and as someone else said, the sometimes incongruous variation in standard of animation varying from top notch to, well, looking like it was drawn for a saturday morning series on a kids network. Again as someone else mentioned there is also what seems to be a confusion in the range of characters - some are almost at times slapstick comical and childish as if aimed at a young audience, while others are are serious and heavy plotline driven as if aimed for the older end of the market. The two sit uncomfortably alongside each other.


Exactly. I believe I mentioned here that the real problem with the movie is that it doesn't seem to know who its audience is. It came at a time when "young adult" fiction wasn't really a thing. I actually think this is an example of "proto young adult" fiction.

I was surprised to see hiw much love there is for this film, partly because I don't rate it myself, and partly because it had really not registered with me before.


For me, and I mentioned this in my podcast when we covered the movie, I love it because I just happened to catch it at the right time in my life. I was in that narrow age\experience window where the movie spoke to me.

Certainly not Bluths best film, but there's something intangible that makes me love it. I can't express in words why that is, it's just one of those movies that I really enjoy for no apparent reason. Especially the line at the end about Earth 2.0 being named Bob. Hence my screen name and the title of my podcast.

Just my opinion. Not telling anyone not to like it or that they are wrong to do so, but this is why I think its a poor film.


And that's perfectly fine. The problem I run into when discussing these issues is that people want to make excuses as to why they didn't like a movie, so they'll pick things they didn't quite understand and point to it as a plot hole. Thus validating their opinion. But as I'm sure you know(as you seem to be fairly bright) the things we don't understand are not necessarily plot holes.

Not only that, but opinions don't need to be justified. If you don't like something, you don't like it. A person may as why, but you don't have to justify your opinion.

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And that is why I generally dismiss people and their "plot holes". The movie has a lot of problems but these "gaping holes" just aren't.

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I have zero issues with the plot and the characters. Having a character or characters that are a bit more childish or humorous doesn't make it intended for kids but helps it from being too serious. My issue is how dated it looks today. The CGI still looks great in some parts but in others it is really, really basic and dates the film considerably. The same can be said for the music. I have nothing against 90s pop rock but in a film that's supposedly in the 31st century that music doesn't fit at all. So in 2016 I give it a slightly generous 8, but back when it released it probably would have been a 9.

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I have nothing against 90s pop rock but in a film that's supposedly in the 31st century that music doesn't fit at all.


Okay so what would you propose? underground EDM?

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The first time I ever knew the movie existed was spotting it in a $5 bin at Walmart. And I agree, a much better film than I was anticipating.

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There was no target audience: parents saw it as too violent for their children and teens saw it as a kids movie.

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There was no target audience: parents saw it as too violent for their children and teens saw it as a kids movie.


Would agree here. It's target audience was vague unlike Bluth's last film where you could tell straight off the get-go, it's intended for children. I was 13 when this film was released and thought it would be perfect for me to see since I liked adult animated movies and this film somewhat falls into this category. I think Titan AE would have worked better as a Japanese anime film and aimed for teenagers to young adults. But I think it was intended for kids.

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I think your bascially on the money. I like Titan AE for its visuals but no one other than the gun fires and earth being blown up seemed like a threat. The Drej seemed like a general group of villians blending in with the visuals rather than a single individual with a plan and taking orders from the Alpha Drej. But I think Titan AE could have at least got most of its money back if it had a target audience or was catered to a Japanese audience as an anime since Japan seems to have a greater interest in adult animation than Americans.

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This ends up being little more than a high-energy chase picture. The heroes are given no agency, the bad guys are thinly drawn and barely present, cliche's abound. Corso's endless reversals are motivated purely by script rather than character and situation- evidence of poor story-telling.

The concept and background of the Titan itself is barely explained to the audience, and we are given no real explanation why the Drejj hate it and Earthers so much.

It is an enjoyable chase, as far as it goes. Great animation and great voice performances put to an utterly predictable script. Sometime audiences will buy it, sometimes they won't.

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I think your bascially on the money. I like Titan AE for its visuals but no one other than the gun fires and earth being blown up seemed like a threat. The Drej seemed like a general group of villians blending in with the visuals rather than a single individual with a plan and taking orders from the Alpha Drej. But I think Titan AE could have at least got most of its money back if it had a target audience or was catered to a Japanese audience as an anime since Japan seems to have a greater interest in adult animation than Americans.

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