In summary, what is the Firebird suite about?
How it show the beauty of our environment?
What other films do you think convey the message that the environment is a fragile thing that needs to be looked after?
Do you agree that this is what the suite conveys?
Thanks!
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It's about whatever you want it to be about.
And no, that's not the butthole answer to it. I'm serious.
I saw it as this poor spring nymph who worked so hard to bring beauty to the land was crushed by the phoenix/volcano who destroyed everything she had worked for. I saw the moose as someone who helped her get back on her feet.
I was in tears when I saw this because I felt like the nymph and the phoenix represented the hurricanes of 2004. Everything we had worked for was destroyed and it was only with the help of a very, very nice contractor (the moose) who took on our house when no one else would and for a price that no one else would ever dare that we got back on our feet.
Good art is subjective and I think it can be viewed in whatever way makes sense most to you.
So, if you think it is about the environment, then, for you, it is.
old post, yes...
but it needs to be said:
it wasn't a moose. it was an elk.
and you should have bought insurance. then moose wouldn't be building your house. but thats besides the point. the point is that it was an elk. and it was animated so poorly when it ran.
This is my favorite segment of this movie, with a bullet.
The volcano is no phoenix, it is pure malevolence, only the fire, it plays no part in the recovery. The nymph plays the phoenix role if there is one, recovering the (near) total destruction.
There is plenty of room for interpretation here but here's mine. The whole thing seems to be about the persistence of life against the destructive forces of nature despite the fact that they are as essential to the existence of life on earth as the superficially more benevolent ones, but in excess would clearly end life on earth. The life force is represented by a Disney charming single minded but somewhat vulnerable nurturing female being, the destructive force by a malignant demon of volcanism ever gathering its strength for its next destructive outburst, which it will inflict without mercy. The Elk, a fortunate survivor, seems to function as a kind of patient steward who nudges the life being back into action after an appropriate rest interval. The intermediate interchange seems to be "It's time", "No, it's too hard.", "No, it's time, I'll help, but it's time now." "Ok, I'll try" and she picks up steam rapidly thereafter to the big triumphant finish. The demon is spent for the time being and does not even affect the sides of the mountain as it had earlier. Curiously effective and affecting. A fine antidote to the religiously maudlin conventions of the Night on Bald Mountain/Ave Maria segment in Fantasia. I wonder if there was not criticism from religious sources for the heterodox resurrection model based on nature not theology here.
The mountain looks as if rotoscoped from Mt. St. Helens (it probably was rendered directly from Mt. St. Helens by some process). The vertical shot during the recovery is looks a bit too much like a graphics program in action, executing a circle drawing routine with frills. Despite that, it is still my favorite segment.
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Death and rebirth.
It doesn't just show beauty, but the endurance of all things.
Ferngully?
Not quite, but your on the right track, kinda.
Well, if you listen carefully about what's said by the man before this suite, you'll see that his first sentence about the beauty of our environment was finally not belonging to this suite. This suite has no other purpose than entertain us, showing a firebird playing with a yo-yo. And I have to admit that I loved this part.
share"This suite has no other purpose than entertain us, showing a firebird playing with a yo-yo. And I have to admit that I loved this part."
Wasn't that the flamingos? I believe you have the wrong segment.
its very reminiscant of what happend and is happening at Mt. St. Helens
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"HOPSCOTCH!"
It was about the beauty of nature and also how nature regenerates itself.
The nymph, a spirit of nature, survives the destruction of the forest but is shaken. But she recovers and restores the forest, making it as beautiful as before.
I saw it as Mother Nature creating the beauty of, well.. nature and Earth.. and then it was destroyed by the natural disasters like the Volcano. =p
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This segment is a total ripoff of Miyazaki and animal themes in anime, particularly Princess Mononoke... forest setting, animals as gods, wierd mysticism, catastrophic destruction that make things look like Hiroshima, rebirth, the sprite's character design...
the cgi elements in this segment were so distracting especially the firebird
terrible movie...
:-P to you ortegacyl.
Personally I think that the segment is... whatever you want it to be about. The animators made something to go with the music, and chose symbolic stuff that you can interpret in your own way.
Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.
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i finally understand what the Firebird Suite is about:
it sugnifies the beauty of our world, and how, no matter how much good is beaten and pushed and hurt, it can still get up and make things right, no matter what we do to it. we can push the good of this world and make cuts and dents and scrathches on her ("her" meaning "good") frail body, but she always gets up again.
The woman in green represents both nature and good in the world. Though it looks as if she was killed, she got back up again and though it took some prompting, made everything right again.
That is what it means. it is sa lesson and a moral pushed into one.
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this is my honest opinion, so if I offend someone, please don't bite my head off about it: I think there's a slight pagan symbolism to this segment. for those who aren't familiar with pagan concepts, the basic ideals of some pagans is that the earth (a woman) and her lover (a god with a crown of STAG antlers) are responsible for the cycles of life, death and rebirth (as described so elequently by the ever endearing Angela Lansbury). in essence, when I first watched this movie (albeit I didn't see it until about a year ago) I got the impression that the segments was orginally created by someone familiar with pagan beliefs. I could be wrong, but that's what I interpreted from that awesome segment.
If light and darkness are eternal, then surely we Nothings must be the same: Eternal!
Heh, you should see the original ending which they cut out. You can see it in the Fantasia Anthology box set.
The original ending showed the nature spirit rising up to the heavens and her head becoming one with the sun (with the sun's rays radiating out from it).
Now, even with something like that, I don't think that you necessarily have to see it as pagan. I believe that all religions are mostly symbolism anyway, so to me that deleted scene simply represented the very important place that nature has in our perception of the universe - it was basically saying "nature is queen". Personally, I think it made a more fulfilling ending.
But I guess it could've made some people upset.
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To me it showed both sides of nature: constructive and destructive, not good and evil.
The destructive side was quick, merciless and cataclysmic.
I just loved how the represented the constructive side as an exotic, hard working and STUBBORN sprite. The way at the end when it goes to the top of the volcano and turns it green, green, green!