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Did Monk Rip This Movie Off?


I've never seen the 'Zero Effect' (although I plan to get it on
NetFlix asap!), the plot described sounds a lot like 'Monk', the USA
show with Tony Shaloub.

Did 'Monk' rip off the 'Zero Effect'?

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I don't know about any off-ripping,
but Pullman's antics as Zero reminded me of those of Shalhoub as Monk.
And the resemblance of their voices, too, was many times striking for me.

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I don't think Monk did "rip it off" as the two characters are essentially opposites. Monk is a detective that longs to be taken back into the fold of society in general and the police department in particular. He was always a little obsessive-compulsive, but his wife's murder threw him off the deep end. Additionally, Monk solves crimes based on being in the middle of it.

Zero whines when he realizes he has to leave his house to solve a crime. He relies almost exclusively on research. Due to this research he is able to get to the scene of the crime before one happens in some cases. After all, "people know they're being followed when they turn around and see someone following them. They can't tell they're being followed if you get there first."

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Doyel, pretty well created the mythic detective who is a logical savant but socialy inept is Sherlock Holmes. This theme gets reworked over and over in Zero, Monk. Law & Order CI, Columbo and countless more. Zero was so clearly a Holmes update that it felt very natural. Too bad Kasden opted for a series attmept rather than trying to make a film series of it. Of course it is never too late to write Zero 2.

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"Zero, Monk. Law & Order CI, Columbo" and those are all great characters! that kind of misfit detective dueling with the villain is truly a golden formula!

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Ang along with all the things andiemevans talked about...Look at Zero's penthouse, Monk could never live in there. I like both characters, unconventional yet remarkably effective. Yet they both solve cases entirely different from one another. A crossover would be awesome.

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Actually, I think Dr. Gregory House is a better TV comparison to Darryl Zero. Both characters are very much influenced by Sherlock Holmes.

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Well, I'm not that familiar with Sherlock Holmes (only read "Hound of the Baskervilles"). But I did think that Monk was a rip off of Zero Effect. Yeah, there are differences, but it's basically the same idea--a brilliant detective is plagued by inordinent fears of interacting with the public on a normal basis. If Zero Effect had been a smash hit, I doubt that Monk would have ever happened. It would have been too obvious a rip off. Since ZE bombed, few knew about it and the idea was still worth exploring. Also, I would like to see a sequel. Too bad Kim Dickens couldn't be in it.



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Why couldn't she?

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Yes, I thought the same and posted it on the ZERO EFFECT (2002) TV Pilot comments section.

I am glad others think so to.

Here is what I wrote there:

Anyone feel that Monk "borrowed" from Daryl Zero?

I do.

But then, Zero was a take-off on Sherlock Holmes.

The above comment refers to the movie not having seen this TV pilot.

I hope it turns up on youtube someday. I know the RED DWARF (USA) pilot did.


If Jake Kasdan had done a TV pilot soon after the 1998 movie and offered it to USA Network after NBC turned it down there may be no Monk today.

I like Monk, so I am not distraught, just pondering.

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I see the similarities, but Monk and Zero Effect are nowhere near alike for one to be considered the rip off of the other. Zero is an odd-ball, but the only major diagnosis one could give him would be a very mild case of agoraphobia. Monk, on the other hand, has extreme OCD and phobias about just about everything. He can't even touch skin with another human being without discomfort.

They also solve their cases in pretty different ways. Both do use acute observation, but Monk takes it further than Zero. He has to always go to the scene and walk through it in great detail. Zero only leaves his place when it's absolutely neccessary. Both characters don't have proper interactive skills with other people, but Zero can be damn good at faking it. Monk can't. He can't fake normalcy like Zero. He always sticks out like a sore thumb while Zero can disappear into a crowd.

Also, Zero is a very isolated character. Besides Arlo, he does not have strong, intimate relationships with other people and he doesn't seek them out or seek to hold onto them. Monk remains good friends with his old partner, now the captain of the police precinct Monk sometimes works for, and still loves his late wife. He may be isolated from much of the world, but he also has a need to be a part of it despite his many issues. Monk also isn't so fanatic about always being objective.

The thing the two characters have most in common, besides being derivatives of the iconic Sherlock character, is their need for a mediator and assistant who can take care of things they can't/won't do themselves.

Monk may have similarities with Zero Effect, but it stands on its own as an original.

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