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apparently a massive turd, but i didn't think so


a lot of people consider this to be a terribly unfunny movie and just all around awful. what's the deal? it's not particularly great, but i wouldn't say it's terrible by any means. i had a few good laughs at this movie, and the special effects, cgi in particular, were done very well for the time period. Kevin Kline was the best actor in the movie and i thought his character was interesting, smart, and reminded me of a batman type character with all of his gadgets and technical knowledge. i feel like it's a lovable movie with it's fair share of flaws and critics, but a terrible piece of crap? i wouldn't go nearly that far with it.

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Take a look at a movie like Highlander. It was made for $16 million in the 80's - that all that big of a budget. The biggest actor in the movie was Sean Connery, who definitely was big, but it was before he won his Oscar.

That movie was great - bigger than what it should have been.

Contrast that to WWW. It's budget was more than 10 times that of Highlander, the four main actors have all been nominated for Oscars and the director was pretty well regarded.

Things that stuck out to me - I'm ok with Jim West being black in this movie. I'm not ok when they had the racist/disabled insult fest between him and Loveless. I wasn't offended, it just made it about race. And, if they are going to have that big of a thing about race in the movie, then do it throughout the whole movie.

Yes, the north fought, at least in part, to free the slaves, but that doesn't mean that most in the north accepted them as equals.

The two main characters bickering the whole movie only to reverse roles and then make amends is cliched to say the least.

And the complete disregard for physics lost me. I can accept the fantasy part of it - maybe he could put together a giant, metal, walking spider. But flying buzz-saws which change direction and never lose propulsion?

Or, and this was the one that totally did me in. I can accept in Django DeCaprio's character using the flawed method of grooves on a skull as a way to determine intelligence because they didn't really use it to prove anything.

In the WWW, they used projecting light through a dead person's eyes to show the last image he saw as a way to get info. That may have been a theory at the time the movie was supposed to take place, but it has been proven false without a doubt since then. To use that as fact is beyond ridiculous.

The only good part of the movie was Salma's azz showing, but of course they edit that out of any network showing of the movie. Why not just edit out CZJ's maneuvering through the red strings in Entrapment?

The movie was cr*p. It's fine that you liked it - everyone has different tastes. But it was supposed to be a blockbuster, with top names attached, and a big budget. For it to end up like that took some effort.

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the movie doesn't use anything as fact. that's why it's a movie. no one calls farce on a jedi using the force in star wars. you're not supposed to analyze it to the ground. it's meant to be fun, and a lot of people seem to be confused on that part. and what's wrong with loveless being racist? some people are like that, and let's assume west is kind of immature and would resort to firing back with handicapped jokes.

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There is a difference between a fantasy world, and world in which it is supposed to be real, but then they change the laws of physics for the movie.

it's meant to be fun, and a lot of people seem to be confused on that part.


The problem is, it wasn't fun. There wasn't much to laugh at and there wasn't much to be impressed with. Trust me, I saw the movie and expected it to be a action/comedy. It was neither.

and what's wrong with loveless being racist?


Because now you've got to address the elephant in the room. The north didn't fight to free the slaves, and most in the north didn't view blacks, even "well respected and educated blacks" as being equal.

But, in this movie, the President holds Jim West in high regards and no one else has any issue with a black man being in charge.

Had they skipped the racism part, it would have been, "Who cares if Will Smith is black? The character doesn't have to be white."

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i thought it was fun. that's 100% subjective, and it doesn't bother me that the movie wasn't scientifically accurate at all times. it's just a movie.

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You can't abide the abuse to real, actual physics but you can accept the fantasy element? Care to rephrase so as to not be contradictory?

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No.

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So you have no logical consistency in your opinion and should be regarded as something akin to a moronic troll?

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Are you really that petty that you can't stand any criticism?

Don't worry. I'm putting you on ignore so I don't have to see any more of your stupid posts or such.

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After seeing it in its entirety after so many years earlier this week...It's even worse than I remembered.

Besides some of the visual effects, which have actually held up pretty well, NOTHING else works in this movie.

None of the actors have any chemistry with each other, you can't believe for a second that Will Smith and Kevin Kline are partners or buy into the love triangle between them and Selma Hayek's character.

The attempts at comedy are so cringe inducing and in bad taste I find it hard to believe most of this didn't stay back in the cutting room floor, especially considering the timing and delivery are just so flat from everyone.

Visually, it's quite a mess. Nothing really feels genuine or concrete, everybody and everything does not mesh well with each other.

It's also so tonally inconsistent it's hard to look at it with a straight face - Sometimes its trying to be a little serious but most of the time its so over the top and ridiculous its hard to get remotely invested or care. Apparently test audiences felt the same way too, as the trivia says.

Kevin Smith's Superman story says it all - No wonder this movie turned out the way it did, Jon Peters...What was that guy on?

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and yet people love the batman tv show from the 60's. lol

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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There's a difference between camp done well and honest and camp done wrong and feeling forced.

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they don't seem very different to me. i don't understand how people continue to love that show. i get embarrassed watching it.

Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!

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Because it was part of their childhood/growing up years and was intended to be campy. You had some of the biggest stars in the world at the time asking to be on the show. Vincent Price, Milton Berle, Rudy Vallee, Liberace, Roddy McDowell, Art Careny, Shelly Winters, Van Johnson, Steve Allen, Dick Clark, Sammy Davis Jr., Jerry Lewis, Henny Youngman, Sinatra.

And the show was MEANT to be campy.

WWW was supposed to be an action/comedy, and failed at both because it was so campy.

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The Batman TV series from the 60's was a reflection of the times and of the comic material, which at the time of publication was pretty fantastical and not particularly dark or complex as earlier and later stories made the property so. It wasn't the greatest show ever but without it Batman comics would've been put on publication hold indefinitely and we'd never see the likes of Frank Miller, Dennis O'Neil, Neal Adams, Alan Moore or Grant Morrison tackle the character, we'd never have a movie or an animated series.

When the Batman movies tried to reclaim the camp factor of the original series with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin it only alienated audiences and turned people off from the franchise, the difference between those attempts at camp entertainment and how they approached it with the 60's TV series is like night and day.

Such is also the case with Wild Wild West the series and the movie - The show was campy but it was honest and reflected what people normally expected from primetime television, and it actually offered them a bit more drama and violence than they had expected at times as well. The movie was a failure in all directions, failed to capture the spirit of the original, and was under the creative eye of a cooky hairdresser turned producer who never cared for the property and just wanted to see a giant spider on screen no matter what the cost.

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