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I can't believe the confusion



...with the ending! At the end, during the auction, he was able to steal the actual Red Violin. He'd thought about it ahead of time and wished he could keep it, but I think the theft was a last minute decision. He felt the violin must continue to travel and cause love and experience, rather than be propped up inside a glass case with all kinds of security around it. It's really not hard to understand and I don't know why people have come up with alternate endings. The replica they received was switched with the real thing right before it was shown to the bidding audience. He took it and quickly left the building nervously. Then we see him looking at the violin lovingly and we discover he's going to give it to his daughter. It had been given to two children previously, so this was a more natural continuance than ending up in some kind of museum. That's it! No argument! Anything else is complete nonsense.



"No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater..... than central air."

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Thanks DATo! The mass stupidity is unbelievable.



"No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater..... than central air."

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I also agree with you completely. I must be a twisted individual, because I found the fact that Morritz stole the real Red Violin to be beautiful and not repugnant at all. Not that I usually condone theft in real life!

"God must love stupid people. He made so many of them."

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I agree completely, and to say otherwise is to completely miss the point of the entire film...that the violin's destiny was tied up with the destiny of those who received it, that in fact it was destiny that the violin ended up with the owners it did over the years. Clearly, it was destined that SLJ would pass the violin on to his child, as had been done before, and continue it's "journey."

Also, I think the film made the case quite convincingly that the violin achieved it's most profound meaning in the hands of a child who would appreciate it for it's beauty rather than it's arbitrary "worth."

"I guess I started smoking when I was about...four."

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This was always my interpretation too.

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Some of us on this board don't fret that Moritz stole the Violin; we simply see that he Overcame his NEED to *own* it. IOW, it was his DAUGHTER that was paramount, not the Violin itself.

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I saw this movie for the first time last night. I was disappointed in the ending. At first glance Mortiz's character was despicable. He become nothing more then a common thief. I sprang to the imbd message boards looking for answers and opinion on the movies ending. I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of controversy this ending was stirred.

So on the boards I had adopted by second interpretation. OH yes, Mortiz returned the real "red violin". I was pretty content with this interpretation because is exonerated Mortiz's character as an honest man. But I kept reading and soon I began to see the cracks in that ending as well. Everybody at the auction just wanted it for the wrong reasons. The monks for historical value or perhaps they thought it was theirs to begin with due to the graver robbing, the pope foundation for obvious reasons, the old musician since he was a collector, and Ming probably because in communist China the idea of personal property was seen as a violation of the state and with the traumatic event in his childhood created a powerful symbolic meaning with the violin. But these reasons had very little to do with the intended purpose of the violin to create music. Something wasn't right...

I reached the third and final interpretation of the film's ending. He took the real violin. But not for his petty self interest but for something greater. He knew the significance of the the violin and I believe there is one scene which pretty much sums up the whole controversy. When the red violin is hooked up to the acoustic measuring machine. Mortiz thinks out loud for that moment asking a rhetorical question.

"What do you do with the thing you want most just comes" this importance of this line has been discussed ad nauseam. So I will not bother But there are other lines which I think are even more important in hat scene. Mortiz then ask his friend if he has ever had children. His mousey-looking friend replies with a "No, no, I don't but I know what you mean, I would love to have this baby all to myself." Mortiz replies with a judicious "really?". The friend goes on to explain how he would take it apart and measure the acoustic properties of this instrument. Mortiz replies with a "I don't think you get it." The friend says I do, and shows Mortiz the amazing acoustic properties of the Violin, but Mortiz tells to him to stop for he feels as though the Violin is in some pain do the resonant vibrations. (It cuts to a shot of Anna in pain.) Implying some connection between them.

To me this scene ends the whole controversy. Not even his good friend understands the true value of the violin. It is meant to be played for its music, to create beauty in this world. He realizes that everybody in the auction wants it for some selfish reasons. Mortiz is connected to the violin a strange way, he can feel when it is in pain. He realizes what he must do. So in the end he steals it. So that it can be given to a child, who will love for its music not for its craftsmanship, or its historic virtuoso violin player.



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******Possible Spoilers****
After the press release is made of the discovery of the red violin, we see Mr. Ruselsky make his way to the violin as it is displayed with the rest of the items to be auctioned. The camera view is from behind the violin as we see Mr. Ruselsky approach the violin. He studies it briefly, and then he turns and leaves. The camera then sharpens/focuses on the back of the violin where the auction tag is hanging, and it clearly shows the heel of the violin neck. We know this should be the area of bullet damage based upon the scene when the violin enters the Chinese pawnbroker's shop. He positions his magnifying glass over the heel of the neck and we see the bullet damage. Yet in the Ruselsky scene there is no evidence of any bullet damage, or the subsequent repair. This makes it somewhat apparent that Morritz (Samuel L. Jackson) already has the red violin in his possession and the violin on display was the copy commissioned by Pope. So Morritz actually returns the real red violin back to the auction in the end. This makes sense, based upon his reaction to hearing Ruselsky playing it earlier. (I thought Samuel did a fine job with that scene. He seemed deeply moved upon hearing the long-lost red violin for the first time.) I think he realized that a musician should play such an instrument. We have no idea as to the age of his (Morritz) daughter (to my knowledge), nor do we know if she even plays the violin. In the end she’s getting an almost identical copy of a very famous musical instrument, and a well-known concert violinist - a musician - will play the real red violin.

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Agreed. (At least this is VERY plausible.)

You write, "So Morritz actually returns the real red violin back to the auction in the end. This makes sense, based upon his reaction to hearing Ruselsky playing it earlier. . . . I think he realized that a musician should play such an instrument."

To those who are tied to the "I Must Possess This" line-of-reasoning, what about this (somewhat hidden) point?

Scott V.

P.S. The director ALSO said in an interview that the arch of the life of the violin ends up BACK where it stareted, in the hands of a master. (IOW, Ruselsky.)


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Nice thoughts from Nearhan.

Since there is debate regarding whether Morritz/SLJ took the replica or the real violin. I think Cesca's tarot cards clearly show that Morritz took the real violin.

Remember that Cesca's tarot cards foretold Anna's [the violin's] journey with complete accuracy. By the time the Red Violin reached Morritz' hands, Cesca's prediction was that the violin would experience REBIRTH.

1. Long Life (actually a prediction of the violin's life, not Anna's)
2. Disease/Suffering (Kaspar Weiss)
3. Seduction 'the devil' (Frederick Pope)
4. Trial/prosecution (Red China)
5. Rebirth (inverted Death card) - Morritz

The story demonstrates that no other potential owners were worthy of the violin. Just look at two of the guys on the shortlist: Williams, the restorer, appreciated the violin but said if he owned it he would dismantle and study it. Ruselsky (the older violinist at the auction) tries it out but even though he's played a lifetime, he has a tin ear for the perfection of the Red Violin.

Rebirth could not happen in the hands of Ruselsky or any of the other auction bidders.

Here's a crude analogy: The Red Violin is like a glass slipper to Cinderella/Anna's spirit. Various suitors such as poseur-virtuoso Ruselsky can't mash their toes in, as their intentions are impure. Only Jackson is able to slide on Anna's Red Violin, because he is uniquely capable of appreciating and loving it for its true essence. Well, you get my drift.

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Hmmm. Just "over their heads" huh? (Not too generous a quip. Especially for you.)

Might not the same thing be said for the "many people" who can't fathom a Zen-like interpretation, and who themselves NEED to see Morritz as possessing the item?

I'd suggest that _nothing_ in movies is "directly in front of their noses." Especially THIS movie.

Scott V.


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movielover35 was right in the beginning.

I'm glad your interpretation works for you.

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1: Of course he took the real red violin. Anyone who thinks otherwise must ride the short bus.


2: There was absolutely no "greed" involved, because he can never sell it as the Pope violin. It will forever be considered the copy. ( Though never mind the fact that any expert would see immediately that it didn't match the copy's picture (grain pattern, etc), which is always taken when a high end instrument is sold, even a high end copy.)


3: What's REALLY interesting, and worthy of discussion, is the fact that the auction house's head of security (the older woman) immediately recognized the fake, which is why she temporarily stopped the turntable from exhibiting it, but then she let it go out to auction anyway.

What matters to the auction house is a sale / commission, not the authenticity of the piece. And the same is true of the buyer. This happens all the time in the art world: Someone pays millions for a painting, for instance, then finds out years later that it's a fake. No big deal! They just bury that evidence, and re-sell it as genuine, for huge profits.

Everybody wins.

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I agree.


Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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I re watched the movie ( I had watch it back in 1999) and I agree that it shouldn't be any confusion regarding which violin he finally stole.

He stole the original and replaced it with the copy. The original had a tag on it, the copy had no tag . During the change of the violins, the tag fall from the original, the organiser of the auction ( the woman with the gray hair) realized that the violin that they were displaying for sale wasn't the original one, but it was too late to do something.

When later they found the tag of the original on the floor, she just pretended that this had fallen of the original accidentally or else.

She definitely knew that the violin that was sold for a couple of millions wasn't the real Red Violin, but the sale was very successful and in the end of the day it didn't matter which violin would go to the purchaser, who after all ( as we saw previously ) he was unable to make the distinction between a very unique instrument from another of lesser quality., between the real and the fake one.

The reason Morritz took the original ( after a lot of thinking in his room) was that he didn't want to leave this violin to be owned by anyone unable to appreciate its combination of technical perfection and beauty ( we see him saying this previously while they were testing violin).

The Red Violin was the combination of the perfect craftsmanship (of it's creator) combined with his love for his wife..( the master and his muse- the craftmanship and love- the technical perfection and the beauty).

Morritz is the person that combines both the technical knowledge and the love for this sort of violins. He has the exactly same characteristics that the original manufacturer of the violin had and that explains the final flashback sequence when we see Anna Bussotti saying that she is going back to her husband. Her husband put her beauty and perfection in the violin, and "she" should go back to someone like her husband, who of course ought to be the only "rightful owner" of this violin.

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