Ending was enraging


Don't get me wrong, this movie was good for the most part. But that ending was ridiculous. (Spoilers) I heard it mentioned in another post that Sam Jackson's character was "saving" the violin from people who only view it from a historical standpoint, but that is quite clearly not the case. All of the bidders seemed soley interested in its historical value, true. All except for one, the chinese dude with the thick glasses, who is obviously a reference to the chinese kid with thick glasses in the chinese segment.

Here was a guy who's mother's last act towards him was to play to him the violin, in an effort to show him its beauty. Then he is forced to give her up as a result, and she is executed (which we know not only from the ferocious methods of the Cultural Revolution, but because the fortune teller said that she would be judged guilty). I don't know about you... but i'd say that if I was that kid, the instrument that my mom last showed me before she got slaughtered would contain juuuuust a smidgen of sentimental value. I mean, common, seriously, I know Sam would like his daughter to have a nice gift for christmas, but I think the Chinese guy deserves it more. If it wasn't for that, I probably would have liked the movie as a whole. Can anyone show me where I've gone wrong?

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Good point DATo, I suppose I hadn't thought about that. It is true that while I definitely think that Ming has a strong emotional investment in the piece, odds are, he isn't going to take it home and start practicing with it if he were to buy it. So in terms of the intended use of the violin, yes, it is clearly in the best hands with Moritz. This does help me appreciate the ending more, but I still feel that the emotional investment that anybody in Ming's position would have with the violin was sort of given the scurf in the movie. I think maybe it would have been better if it was simply a Chinese collector.

Thanks for helping me out.

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Hey,

Interesting thread, but I'm confused about something.

This IS the IMDb, isn't it?

So, where's the acrimony? The insults? The requisite anti-Americanism that gets shoehorned into every single message board regardless of context?

How boring!

I'd never really reflected much on the ending, but this thread was pretty thought-provoking. In a way, the ending is almost a cop-out but it doesn't feel like it.

As the story unfolds, the viewer is likely supposed to feel sympathy/empathy towards the resepective owners of the violin (except maybe Pope), so I suppose that no matter who got the violin in the end, there would another party with some vested interest who lost out.

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Interesting DATo, but I don't think that things getting tied together at the end makes a film a typical cinematic BS story. Perhaps the best example I can give for a counter-example would be Cinema Paradiso, which is my number 1 movie. I don't always need everything explained to me, but I think it's important to be on the same page with the story/film at the end. On a totally unrelated matter, I was reading a thread for Cinema Paradiso when I realized half way through you were arguing for that as well. Excellent defense of a great movie (I detect a philosophy major). However, I must add, I was 18 when I first saw the movie and it became my favorite then, so I personally don't think that age enters into the equation as much as it might appear with that film.

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Hm, you make a good point about Cinema Paradiso DATo, one that has been raised by others I know that have seen the movie. However, for me, although it is my favorite movie and the scene where Toto is watching Elena from the projector in his room gets me every time, the unknown whereabouts of Elena didn't really strike me as important. I took his reminiscing about Elena the same as his reminiscing about his aged and dilapitated theater, simply a sad reminder that ALL beautiful things get old and die eventually. In essense, I took his romance with Elena as being important at that phase in his life, but not in the grand scheme, which is why I had no problems with them not re-addressing Elena latter on.

As the audience is aware of the progression of the film from youth to old age, things are taken as a microcosm. I always took Toto as being forlorn in old age because he severed himself from the magical setting of his youth, taking the film as more of a commentary on the balance between childhood and adulthood than romantic tragedy. The director's cut goes into what happened to Elena, and coincidentally is on my BOTTOM 10 movies of all time. Strange how that works out. Oh god, now I've gotta go watch this movie right now!

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In one of the other threads it was mentioned that Cesca's last prediction (that the violin's journey has ended) didn't make sense because surely even if Moritz's daughter owned the violin her entire life sooner or later she would die and it would pass to someone else.
She never said she saw the journey end. In fact, quite the contrary. She said she saw a "rebirth" instead.


"You're gonna need a bigger boat."

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hi,


von sopas said 'I think the whole idea of the film is an allegory of the human being along the history, full of greed, passion ,love, lust, jealousy, hate. But i dont get that idea of moral. Humanity, i think ,goes far beyond that.'


yes, there are many things in the film


1.

why would you go to a fortuneteller? you want to be happy, you want to be healthy, you want your childrenm family to be okay...

what is human history about? about the same

2.

what does music and art in general represent? talent, joy, connection with the supernatural, with the gods, with eternity. real talent is unhuman and very human at the same time

the feelings, suffering which makes art perfect because it is able to convey, to communicate is HUMAN. talent, which is unlearnable, which is a given and noone can ask for it, a present is NON-HUMAN, or SUPERNATURAL

3.

the paralell between the historical element (be it personal or communal) and between art is the purpose of the film

also, we hear the film, too not only see it : )



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"This IS the IMDb, isn't it?

So, where's the acrimony? The insults? The requisite anti-Americanism that gets shoehorned into every single message board regardless of context?"

This made me laugh most heartily!

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"This IS the IMDb, isn't it?

So, where's the acrimony? The insults? The requisite anti-Americanism that gets shoehorned into every single message board regardless of context?"

Oh, well, if it makes you happy, I can be the one which lets Pandora out of the box...

Anything to make you happy. :-))

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"2) Ruselsky wanted it for his collection ("I see what you mean... nothing special." ... "

It is my opinion that Ruselsky knew immediately that it was a special violin and that his tone was intentionally dismissive. I believe that he later says something like "I KNEW it!" Perhaps he was hoping to buy it at a bargain price at the auction or privately if the house decided it was not worth putting on sale. Why make a fuss at that stage and give them cause to raise the price? Put differently, what would YOU do if you were at an auction and had a chance to steal a misappraised bargain?

Which brings me to another point about the ending: The authentic Red Violin has been extensively tested and documented by Morritz and the auction house. Ruselsky will bow the copy once and know immediately that it is a fake. In less than an hour they will have scientific proof that they have the Pope Foundation copy and that someone (Morritz) has the original. There would be police waiting for Morritz in New York before he clears the gates.

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well, i agree with the possible outcome of Ruselsky bowing the copy but what if he convinced that he has the real deal never actually bother to do so (bow it). I can relato to ruselsky, i'm a avid guitarrist and i have a collection of guitars. some i play and some i do not. In fact i bought a guitar which i only played once at the store and have never picked it up again i have it in a controlled environment room along with my other "prized guitars". The point i'm trying to convey is just because he is a violinist does not mean he is going to play the violin. for him it probably would be like candy to satisfy his ego.

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It was my impression that Ruselsky wouldn't know the difference between the original and the copy. That he was a hack. and Morritz knew it. Thus he knew that he could get away with the theft. It would never be discovered. And even if Ruselsky eventually figured it out, he'd never admit that he was such a hack that he couldn't tell the difference between the original and a copy.

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"Ruselsky wouldn't have played it on stage or in recordings, he would have just hung it on that rack with all the other violins he owned."

????????????

My friend, you could not be more WRONG.....

Think about it.
A Ruselsky concert tour is announced throughout the media.
1st question asked: Is he playing nearby?
2nd question asked: Is the red violin going on tour with him?

If you think that a master violinist would leave a legendary instrument at home, rather than take it on tour......mere words fail me.
I'm sure top-notch security would be a rider in his contract.

There would be sold-out command performances wherever he (.....actually, the red violin....) went.

Ditto using it for recordings.....they'd go platinum.

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Just have to add that I felt the ending was enraging too. I did not see Morritz as a sympathetic character. He was a rude man who fell in love with the violin and wanted it. I thought the Monks or Ming should have gotten it, or it should have been smashed by a car along w/Morritz.

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Well, as far as I've seen, nobody's considered this possibility: Samuel Jackson's character was not a particularly nice person. He was very rude to almost everybody he came into contact with. His stealing the violin was not a noble act at all, but one of selfishness. As a result of his greed, his own child - to whom he planned to give the violin - would suffer under Anna's curse, as described by Cesca. I don't know if that's what the filmmakers had in mind, but who cares? It works for me.

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well I understand your point however I much preferd the ending than the one you surrgested should happen
also I was under the impresstion that samules(can't rember charicter name) wife or daughter was the reincarnation of the girl used to make the violin mybie i miss inturpided it but if i'm right then I think that's the best possible ending

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Yellow hippo, somebody was really paying attention. The tarot reading indeed said ...one way or another your travels are over ...a rebirth. Creepy, creepy, creepy. Especially considering what is to follow concerning creation of the Red Violin. I've still got chill bumps.

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cowboydan-1 makes a good point & I think it's especially relevant when you consider that the violin seemed to have an allure like the ring in LOTRs, albeit a far more subtle one; perhaps that was part of its "curse".

It appeared that many people who encountered the violin were enchanted with it; obviously it has clear beauty &, particularly later, financial value but it seemed to hold much more than that - although that could be attributed to the specific nature of the violin's relationship with each would-be owner; it was one of the constants in Kaspar's life, somewhat of a companion; for Poussin it was interwoven with his affection for Kaspar; its arrival - coincidentally or not - correlated with Fredick's renewed passion for music; it was a reminder of her mother & a symbolism of freedom (of thought) to Xiang; it was a (harsh) reminder of his mother for Ming etc, etc.


I liked the "unfinished" nature of the ending as, imo, it just symbolised the continuing journey of the violin; had the writers/director sought to tie up all the loose ends it would've been like the story was finished...but we know it's not, because the violin is going to a new owner etc.

Also, while I would've been interested in seeing what happened to all the past holders of the violin I think the somewhat ruthless cutting short of those individual stories was needed as deviating from the violin too much would've resulted in a lost of focus & unworked much of the tight bond between Cesca's predictions for Anna/the "curse" & the violin (which of course IS Anna in terms of being "brought to life" by her body).

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Well, as far as I've seen, nobody's considered this possibility: Samuel Jackson's character was not a particularly nice person. He was very rude to almost everybody he came into contact with. His stealing the violin was not a noble act at all, but one of selfishness. As a result of his greed, his own child - to whom he planned to give the violin - would suffer under Anna's curse, as described by Cesca. I don't know if that's what the filmmakers had in mind, but who cares? It works for me.


Totally agree. He was a thief...plain and simple.

I think I'll have a large order of prognosis negative.

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Hi Rommel,
One thing about Ming, he is not the son of the Chinese woman. His father works with her. Ming called the woman 'a yi', which is used in Chinese to call a woman who is about the same age of one's parents.

I think this will clear your doubt about how Ming feel.

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Don't you get it?

The whole point of the film was showing that throughout time and different countries it was used as an instrument, by all the past characters.

Now, in the present people want it as an object intended to be looked at.

Samuel L. Jackson's character was passing the violin onto another person, so it's journey wouldn't come to an end for the wrong reasons. It's pretty simple, and I don't think it's intended to be looked into in such a detail.

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Samuel Jackson's character was keeping the red violin for himself. He wasn't passing it on. He called his daughter to tell her he was bringing home something special, but I don't think that means he was planining on giving the red violin to her.

I don't know much about music, but I have had season passes to our local symphony orchestra for well over a dozen years. We live in a small city, but our symphony has won a national award for excellence in Canada. We are so lucky to have talented and devoted people here. Anyway, we have guest performers every concert. A few years ago there was an 18 year old guy with a very old violin worth over 2 million dollars. The richness of the music that came out of that violin, even to this untrained ear, was very noticeable and soothed the soul. It is a concert I will remember for a long time! Any one who just LOOKS at an old violin instead of playing it is missing out! A violin is meant to be played. I think Jackson's character was not only stealing an old violin, he was stealing the richness of music that came out of it. This richness and depth of the music has to be shared with the public at large and not kept for one's self. The greater crime is to keep the music from being heard!

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The ending was consistant with the rest of the story. Whether driven by greed, desire for fame, or simply a love of music, the need to "own" the violin was a theme throughout, as was the passing of the instrument to a child from a parent figure.

Violins become imprinted by those who play them. It takes years for this process to fully happen, but once a violinist has "played into" the instrument, it takes years for the next violinist to play them back out again. This is because the playing of the instrument changes the resins in the wood at the molecular level by the specific vibrations of the playing style of the musician. Each time the violin was passed on, the next person to have it would be able to feel the imprint of their predacessor(s) in ownership. This is also why concert violinists are VERY attached to their instruments, and why very old violins often have such a beautiful sound. Sadly, if an instrument sits for many years unplayed, the effect is lost, and the richness of the sound is lost with it.

I do hope that the ending meant that the violin would be played again, by someone who would do it justice. The motivations of the various characters at the end are all just speculative, but clearly, the story strikes a chord - we care about who has it, and we care how it's being used, because it was born of love and grief, and it brought great joy but also great sorrow for each of it's owners. Some have said it carried a curse with it, but I felt like it had a life of it's own, and it's life was bound to each of it's owners - including the last one in the film.

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What I understood from the ending is that the red violin would not be played. After all he stole it for selfish reasons, not to play it. He was a scientist, not an artist. At least that is the way I viewed the end, which I find is a very sad ending!

"I'd rather believe what I believe and be wrong than believe what you believe and be wrong."

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That was a very beautiful and fascinating post, FiveOaks. I think you may be right, about the life of its own...and to add to that, I think with each successive owner, the violin meant something different to each one of them. To Kaspar, it was 'mother', to Pope, 'perfect muse', to the Chinese lady, 'freedom of soul' etc., etc.. The one that always haunts me the most is Kaspar. He breaks my heart, poor child. His relation to the Red Violin I think was the purest attachment.

"A mandala of shadow and light, from where
We dream to awaken..."

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The relationship aspect is is an enlightening prospect - the thought that each owner projected onto the violin some missing thing in their life, would suggest that the owners used it to fill a void in their souls. Lovely.

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Uhmm sorry mate, but you are speculating a lot.
In fact, the film does not say that Morritz is taking the violin for himself. In fact, what i saw in Morritz is a music lover (when that collector plays it and then says "nothing special". I think that Morritz "saved" the violin from being stored, and thus continuing the cycle of the object.

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I think you're misinterpreting Jackson's character and his motives. It's clear to me that he absolutely intends to give the violin to his daughter to use. I don't see how the dialogue can be interpreted in any other way.

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"One thing about Ming, he is not the son of the Chinese woman. His father works with her. Ming called the woman 'a yi', which is used in Chinese to call a woman who is about the same age of one's parents."

According to the credits, it is the grown up Ming:
Xio Fei Han: Young Ming (Shanghai)
Russell Yuen: Older Ming (Montréal)

Perhaps the dialog was not well vetted by a Chinese expert ("a yi" is a goof). Perhaps growing up during the Cultural Revolution, Ming learned to outwardly deny his mother and refer to her as "a yi" while still loving her or her memory. (See many other stories of children making up positive or negative stories about parents that would otherwise shame or embarass them or subject them to torment by other children.) His father's former co-worker "a yi" could most certainly be a secret or coded reference to his mother. In the event, "a yi" could be how he still refers to her and those who know his story know this. Perhaps there is some other explanation. I think it is the grown up Ming at the auction.

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S. Jackson *believes* that he is acting in an altruistic manner when he steals the violin, but in reality he is blinded by greed for the instrument just as previous owners had been. To Jackson (and others)...........the violin was more valuable than love and more valuable than life itself (hence.......why it was dug up from the kid's grave).

Misfortune fell upon all those who possessed the violin, and so we're left to believe that something "bad" will happen to S. Jackson (sorry I can't remember his name.......it's been a few years since I've watched the film) now that he's acquired the instrument.

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I think the whole idea of the film is an allegory of the human being along the history, full of greed, passion ,love, lust, jealousy, hate. But i dont get that idea of moral. Humanity, i think ,goes far beyond that.

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"hence.......why it was dug up from the kid's grave"

Am I not right in saying the gypsies just came across it while grave-robbing, as opposed to specifically searching it out?

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Yes, you are right, Calcuo. My question is how did the violin get from the Busotti's to the monastery. Was that made clear in the film and I missed it or is it left vague? Because all of the other changings of hands are made clear or at least hinted at... Even when Pope died, it's the Chinaman who had given him the opium that gets the violin and takes it with him to Shanghai.

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Though I love the film, I have long been unhappy with the Jackson character stealing the violin. Any pretention to 'saving it' or removing it from those with a passionate interest, for whatever reason, seems hollow and false in light of what is clearly a theft and one that cannot be made right by any justification. Having been a curator, conservator and appraiser, I can certainly sympathize and understand, but I cannot approve nor condone. For me, this element feels out of tune with the beauty of the story.

If the story shows us anything, it is that unless we destroy an object, we cannot in any sense possess it; and even that act does not confer ownership. We may pay for it, steal it, hide it, or use it; but all of these are temporary and we never truly own it. Even were it to end up in a museum or a private collection, these are virtually all transitory states through which the item passes. Our need to hide it, protect it or hold it, in essence possess us in a karmic sense, and we in turn become the ones owned by it, as was alluded to by the fortune teller.

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But don't you find it a wonderful irony that the one person WITHOUT a connection to the violin "buys" it...the money means nothing to him, just as the "piece of wood" will not. It is justice to see that the others have not lost their "love" of the Red Violin to someone who only wants another trophy to hang and collect dust in his mansion.

Note how the maestro found that there was "nothing special" about it when he played it, but all of the others involved were moved to acts of passion/emotion when it was played or played by them.

The 2 million plus dollars cannot replace the attachment that each of them have for the violin. Morritz "freed" her to allow the rebirth. The others will always have her passion inside of them.

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kdugger, yes! Finally, after reading thru so many posts - someone saw what I saw.

The "maestro" was world renowned . . . and very full of himself and probably a bit of a hack.

Jackson's character did not want the maestro to test-play the red violin and tried to tell him that it was not worth bothering with. But, the maestro sensed that Jackson was trying to steer him away and so gave it a spin. But, the great violinist didn't get it! And it seemed clear to me that Jackson was relieved when the maestro passed on the red violin - as not worth further consideration.

And maybe, in responding to your post, I'm finally starting to understand the ending. Maybe the main reason that Jackson's character stole the violin is that he didn't want it to go to someone like the great maestro - someone who would never understand the true exquisite voice it held; someone intrinsically incapable of allowing its passion and pure beauty to sing forth.

Jackson's character saw that the beauty of the red violin would be wasted on this old hack; an unforgivable sin as far as Jackson's character was concerned. So, Jackson was motivated more by rescuing the violin from this old hack than any personal gain (or gift for his daughter); his act was altruistic.

So now, the only "hanging chad" left for me is - didn't he have to return the copy? Maybe he was going to buy the "copy"?

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I know this comes in really late, but as a native Chinese speaker who read all dialogs in Chinese and happened to live in part of that period I can confirm that Ming is NOT the son of the Xian-Pei.

Min's father, the musician who was being "bullied" by the culture revolution activists is Xian-Pei's good friend/colleague, that is why Ming called her "a yi". There is no way to hide a parent/child relationship during that time period if they live that close, thus no purpose of doing that. And if they try to hide it, Ming would call her "aunt" instead. (Chinese tradition of hiding the relationship and still be close to your kid)

Xian-Pei would face a hard time later on and probably would be either banished into a countryside area and be assigned hard labor tasks, or imprisoned and bullied by others. There is no formal executions during cultural revolution. Most people die either they can not take the emotional torture anymore and commited suicide or got semi-accidentally beaten to death during one of the bullying sessions. More than half of the people endured the hardship to the end and come off clean and free after that period, so her chance of dying is relatively small.

The grown-up Ming wants the violin because his memory was imprinted with the violin's extremely beautiful sound, during a very cruel time period where no western music (symbol of capitalism) is allowed anywhere in China.

On topic: I don't like the fact that Jackson's character took the violin as well, but since the famous old guy is winning the bid and will only use it to show off as his accomplishment, I guess this way is better. Poor Ming will not get the violin, no matter Jackson's character took it or not.

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The ending is not so complex. The violin is supposed to continue its story, the story of the woman will continue through it. If it goes back to the chinese kid then the story stops. If it goes to any of the people who want to buy it, its story will stop. If Jackson gives it to his daughter then another persons life is added to the story of the violin. Sam Jackson is a hero in this story, he is supposed to be the only one who understands that the violin needs to be played, needs to be passed on. Everyone else wants it for themselves for different reasons than that.

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I would harldy consider someone who steals a $2 million violin a hero. He is a crook! I hated the ending because no one will know this was the real violin. So what's the use of him keeping it if he has to hide it or pretend it's the reproduction?

Basically he rendered the red violin almost worthless since the history of the violin is now lost. The violin is only good if it is known who built it or at least have some history to it. If the violin is thought to be a reproduction then it is not worth as much. So why switch the violins? He just ends up with a violin that is not worth more than the reproduction anyway.

In the future someone may discover that what was thougth to be the original violin is realy a reproduction rendering it nearly worthless. If so, then one day chances are the theft will be exposed and he might go to jail. So why do it? It was a very selfish act. There is no heroism in that at all! My wish is that the man who bought the violin discovers it is fake and then gets the guy who stole it arrested.

"I'd rather believe what I believe and be wrong than believe what you believe and be wrong."

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It's "worth" is only determined by the history if monetary value is the only measure we apply to measure the worth.

If the value in dollars isn't the measure used to determine the instrument's value, but rather it's sound, and the joy it brings to those who hear it played, then it his hardly worthless.

Consider though, that the theft will ultimately revisit him. Not one of the owners of the violin experienced it's pleasures for a long period. They met with tragedy and sorrow, for that was the legacy of the violin's beginnings. By bringing the instrument into his own home, the cycle would undoubtably continue.

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Great points again. The theft ALMOST became the end of Morritz, when he was rushing out to the street to get away, and nearly got hit by a car. Makes one wonder if that was enough of a 'scare' to warn Morritz in a karmaic sense.
I never thought of Morritz as either hero or villain, but as 'desperate' as everyone else to absorb and possess the Red Violin for his own and often obtuse reasons. It is very provocative for the story to end as it does, as you the viewer are left to wonder and think about it long after you've watched it--and wonder, (in a rhetorical sense) what would I do with the Red Violin, if it were to come into my hands? I like that...it sustains the mystery and magic of a beautiful but sad tale.

"A mandala of shadow and light, from where
We dream to awaken..."

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He didn't steal it (IMO). See other posts/threads about the ending where I (and a few others) suggest he (Samuel L. Jackson's character) ultimately got OVER needing possesions, and learned that Family and Life was more important than things, EVEN the REd Violin.

Witness his satisfied look at the end. Knowing that his DAUGHTER was more important, and that she would be happy with ANY violin he brought her.

Scott V.

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I've watched this movie over and over again. I am convinced that Morrtiz was in fact the reincarnation of the Nichola. It's evident in his respect for the instrument and his emotional response to hearing it played.
Also, the paralell between Nichola intending the violin for his child and Morrtiz also intending it for his child. That's why Cesca talks of "rebirth" .
If you observe the temperment of the characters, you'll find them very similar, being kind of a jerk when it comes to their business.

Morritz took the violin because, in truth, it belonged to him. He was taking it back to have it serve the purpose he originally intended it for, as a gift for his child to become an incredible musician.

And that's why the violin's journey is now complete..... it is now in the hands of the one it was intended for.

Just my take on it anyway.....

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I'm with svannater on this one. I apologize ahead of time if this gets long, but I must tell you why. It's much too simplistic if Morritz steals the real violin at the end. I believe that he is actually putting the real one back. The problem of the fake being discovered almost immediately is a very real one, and the writers would not overlook that, if you ask me. If you look closely, you can see some evidence, circumstantial of course, that he gave it back.

First, notice his quote: "What do you do when the thing you most wanted, so perfect, just comes?" For me, this is the first sign that he's going to be very cautious and thoughtful about the whole thing, moreso than the other string of people that came into contact with the violin over the centuries, who all simply had to HAVE it. This might be neither here nor there, but it reminds me a lot of "The Life of David Gale," which starts out with Laconic motif of how one should never actually get what they really want, lest they have nothing left to strive for (not the most accurate recap, but it will have to do).

Then flash forward to the scene of Morritz in the hotel room with his shirt off and the violin in a case on the table. I propose that it is the real one in the scene, not the copy. The reason that he is being so contemplative, staring out the window/at Anna's picture/at himself for the entire scene, is that he has it right there in front of him and NOBODY else knows (except for the restorer guy). In that moment it is absolutely his, he has got exactly what he has wanted to find all his life, and he is trying to get used to the idea. But he is not at peace. I would guess that the discovery of the blood varnish has something to do with it as well.

Now pair this with the scene that comes right before, in which all of the instruments are on display with auction tags already in place, and the violinist goes up to examine it. This scene, coupled with that mentioned above, seems to be much more meaningful if the display is the fake. Because the fake is assumed to be very nearly cosmetically accurate, it's no surprise that even the violinist cannot tell. This could serve to embolden Morritz that he might actually be able to get away with it. Notice how the camera (ominously?) focuses on the auction tag right before cutting the scene. And even if it is discovered to be the fake at that point, I would guess that Morritz might be able to talk his way out of it without getting into too much trouble.

Now, consider that even the fake is still special, not just for being a good violin but for what it represents. How could he give a bloody violin to his daughter? Instead, I see the copy as the best thing. His daughter gets a good instrument that has an interesting history and Morritz gets to hold onto the spirit of his discovery with a clean conscience. He is not selfish, I think he is in the end the wisest of all. Without elaborating further, he GETS it.

As for the "rebirth" part of the Tarot card reading, I feel as though the end of the journey could have been with Morritz, but instead the cycle is set to repeat itself in the hands of the violinist, who is full of lust for the instrument. In other words, in another couple hundred years they can make a sequel, starting with the violinist. This rebirth is not necessarily a good thing, merely a repeat of the past after a brief respite in the hands of someone (Morritz) who, in the end, truly seemed to appreciate what he was holding.

Now maybe I'm reading too far into all of this, but I don't think so. This ending is much more satisfying and rich, much more to try and read into, and there aren't any inherent problems with it. What do you guys think?

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I agree with your reasoning. Thanks for giving supporting details.

(Especially when he is in his hotel room.)

Scott V.

P.S. I would remind those who are SURE Moritz stole the Red Violin, of the movie's Zen-like morality, where Moritz learns to give up "things" and focus on his daugther's love.

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The red violin is supposed to have a synergic connection with Anna's soul. It's not just a violin painted red with Anna's blood--it IS Anna. I think the film's creators did a very good job of showing that Morritz had such a strong connection to the violin that he was in tune with Anna herself, and that the connection between Anna and violin, Morritz and Anna extended beyond time. For example, all the other characters felt deeply connected to the violin either from playing it, or from hearing it being played. Morritz was the only character who knew it for what it was on sight. He was the only character who somehow saw beyond the fact that the violin was varnished with blood and knew that it WAS Anna (as depicted in the scene where he's sitting in his hotel room staring at a picture of Anna, which is taped on the wall in a way that makes it seem as if the two were looking at each other). When the restorer guy was testing it with vibrations, somehow this was related to Anna gasping in pain from the contractions, and Morritz actually *sensed this* and was like, "Stop! You're hurting her! (as in hurting Anna)". Also, when Morritz was riding home under the full moon, back in 17th century Italy, Anna was zoning out envisioning the exact same scene in the future, and Cesca says, "You have the visions".

Morritz had a deeper, fuller connection to Anna than anyone save her husband who "created" her as a violin. This could possibly mean that Morritz is somehow spiritually related to her husband, who had intended the violin for their child.

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I would hardly consider someone who steals a $2 million violin a hero. He is a crook!

So were all the previous "owners" or would-be owners, except for the monastery (and they hardly set an example of enlightened ownership).

The proceeds of the auction would go the the Chinese Government. They were not the "rightful" owners any more than Morritz.

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Sam Jackson "steals" the violin, because he knows everyone who is bidding on it, are bidding because of the historical value. He is taking it home because it is meant to be played, not revered.

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That was not Ming's mom. His father worked with the woman for the Communist party. He simply wanted the violin as a memento of his childhood and a "forbidden" object of fascination. Ming's father had to look at the back of a photo and the date to even determine if it was her or her mother.

Just wanted to point that out since I show the film in my fifth year French classes and have seen it so many times.

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[Did you read this? KRON's Jan Wahl and friends talk about the 2000 Academy Awards show. Transcript of an online chat with Jan Wahl, San Francisco movie critic.]

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The Kid: Jan, do you know what the ending of The Red Violin meant? It's the only movie we saw (based on a friend’s rantings about it), and we didn't understand the ending . . . although I liked (always) Samuel L. Jackson. . . .

Jan Wahl: Re: the ending of The Red Violin... I get asked this a lot... The director told me _it was meant to be ambiguous_ just as life is... So we can all argue about it! . . .

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[So, obviously we are both (all) right.]

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in my opinion, the main theme in the movie was of the violin being given or sold to someone who would love it and appreciate not because it is a museum artifact (the guy who wanted it because it was owned by Pope), a treasured memento (Ming), a collection piece (the fat old rich man), or something that is historically important, like the monks, but as a VIOLIN.

None of them thought of it as a violin, used for making music; they all thought of it as a THING. Remember that this is a "magic" violin ;) -- I have a sneaking suspicion that if any of those people had come to possess it, its supernatural properties would have vanished and it would have become a normal instrument -- a few pieces of wood cunningly attached together with varnish slathered on it. Like the collector said -- "nothing special". Morritz (Samuel Jackson's character) was the only one who truly appreciated it, and by "rescuing" the violin, possibly for the purpose of giving it to his daughter (I doubt he'd sell it), he kept it "alive".

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Where did you get that Ming's mother was killed, Rommel52744? she gave her violin to the music teacher and he hanged himself. She probably has died by the time of the auction, but he was there to buy the violin either for her or in memory of her.

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For me the point was that all the bidders except Ruselsky have a powerful emotional connection to the violin. "Suzanne on the phone" is representing the monks and thereby Kasper Weiss. The Pope foundation is represented. Ming is there representing his mother. The only previous owner of the violin who has no representative is Nicolo Bussotti, the maker.

So it's disheartening when Ruselsky wins the auction. We could have been happy with any other bidder, but not Ruselsky. So when Moritz liberates the violin in the end, its a good thing. It's going on to another stage in it's journey, and best of all, it's going to a child, as Bussotti intended all along.

So I found the ending to be perfect, and not at all enraging.

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Yes, rolerskater61, I felt the same way, in fact I rewatched the movie last night, came here looking for an answer to the question I ask in closing, and was surprised to see people were enraged by the ending, never crossed my mind. I might have felt differently if there was only one person among the bidders to have a powerful connection to the past but such was not the case.

Kasper Weiss broke my heart.

One thing I don't get, how did have Moritz have what appeared to be a photograph of Anna? Was it a photo of a painting?

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I completely agree with you rolerskater61, ryselsky did try it before he knew which violin it was, and said it was nothing special. and it was intended for a child, not for someone who only wanted it for sentimental value. it has always been passed around to new people, and never stayed long at the same place so it's natural that it should go to someone new as opposed to back to where it had been, if you see:)

btw, clayheadswamp, the picture of anna was from a book he was reading, probably an encyclopedia. it's natural that she has a passage in an encyclopedia since she was the wife of such a famous violin maker.

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***Spoilers***

Cesca tells Anna that her journey will end based on the cards but it didn't, not really. When Charles switches the violins, he changes what was supposed to happen-- the violin was SUPPOSED to end up as a trophy of historical value when one of the bidders won the violin. So, when he switched the violins, Anna was in fact again traveling and continuing her journey.

Isn't a smoking area in a restaurant like a peeing area in a pool?

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I disagree. The journey ends when the violin is finally headed into the hands of a child who will appreciate it, and be protected by others who would covet the violin. Morritz is a kindred spirit to Bussoti (suggested by the flashback when Williams is testing the violin, described by invisigothx11 on page 6 of this thread) and has a real connection to the violin, and Anna's soul residing within it, so he understands what he must do to put it at peace.

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