Nostalgia Critic review - Quest for Camelot (1998) Discussion

[–] SuperNostalgicBrother 14 years ago

That review was pretty good, although it could have been done more effectively if the Nostalgia Critic made a joke about King Arthur (voiced by Pierce Brosnan) singing like Steve Perry from Journey (Perry actually sang in that movie).

I like the mock recording of Gary Oldman trying to explain of what was the wrong with the dialogue of the "Ogre's Butt".

I didn't see the movie as I was 16 when it came out so I just didn't care about B-rated Disney wanna be films made by Warner Bros.

There's only question I have for this "animated" film: How could this paper-wasting film have such good songs? EXPLAIN!!!

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

Don't post sh!t like this here.

Even for those who like NC should note that this is one of his worst reviews.

EXPLAIN MOVIE, EXPLAIN!

Uhm... it's a magical forest? You know, the one you would find in a childrens movie?

How come Doug hasn't tore down Mary Poppins or Winnie the Pooh? Those movies never EXPLAINED the magic? They never had 30 minute exposition scenes for the angry 30 year old manchild who would watch this film 12 years after it's release.

Seriously, that was such a bad review.

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[–] Bluenowait 14 years ago

Well he said "You're not writing Lord of the Rings, you just can't make up your own theology, this one already exists."

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

Well, this was based on a novel as well.

I don't even understand that sentence, Lord of the Rings was created out of the Asgardian Mythology, so why can't the film create it's own world out of another?

Hmmm... maybe Doug Walker should have EXPLAINED what he was talking about, eh? EH?

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[–] Chepseh 14 years ago

I understand your critique about the mythology critique -

...but after that scene where he dubbed Bladebeak I was able to forgive almost everything. ;P

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[–] KelTron42 14 years ago

Don't hate on NC because he didn't like this movie. Remember, he was an 80's-early 90's kid.
I was ten when this movie came out and I had a hard time liking it. I loved Kayley, Garret was okay, the double dragons I found weird, Ruber was over-the-top and had the wrong voice actor (and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he was making up the words to the song "Ruber"), Bladebeak was pointless, and yes... the majority of the songs in this movie are either random or misplaced!
Most of his points were somewhat justified. I didn't much care for the whole "YOU RIPPED OFF BELLE! THIEVES! WE HATES IT!" part, I didn't like how he drew out some of the jokes (Dr Smith and the Ogre's Butt) but other than that, I think you're being too harsh on the critic.
Also, I'm sad to see that he left out a good deal of the stupid stuff. I remember in this movie that Ruber Chuck-Norrised a dragon (he punched it in the mouth, killing it) and that the Ogre farted, sending Ruber and his Griffin flying.
In conclusion, give the guy a break. I liked Ferngully when I was a kid (and I honestly think it's a good movie today), but I didn't throw a tantrum when he tore it apart. I liked District 9 and Avatar, but I didn't get butt-hurt at him for chewing those movies out (coincidentally, my two favorite movies of 2009 were the two only movies he hated on during the entire run of "Bum Reviews"). Really, whenever Doug says something I don't like, I treat it like water on a duck's back.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

"Don't hate on NS"
Who is NS? The Nostalgic... Sailor?

"Remember, he was an 80's-early 90's kid."
Which begs the question, how come he is reviewing so much newer stuff? He should stick to actual things connected to his childhood. That's what made the show so good in the first place.

"Bladebeak was pointless"
It was very pointless how he saves the day and Kayley. He was actually my favorite character as a kid watching the film. He didn't want to be evil and had some good comic relief moments.

"Dr Smith and the Ogre's Butt"
I concur. Those scenes were the worst.

"Really, whenever Doug says something I don't like, I treat it like water on a duck's back."
When I watch videos where he bashes films that the majority considered good (Avatar and District 9 are fine examples) I basically just shrug and go 'wat'.

I had no problem with him bashing a film if that's what he thinks of it. But he has been bashing a lot of either mediocre or fine films that weren't even in his own age group. the whole NOSTALGIA bit was set up to be things from his past. It angered me when he attacks something that he doesn't know squat about, because it's obvious why he hates it, he doesn't understand it. And that's not entertaining, it's boring.
Also when he tears down movies that don't suck and he actually likes, but tears them down anyways for the sake of making jokes. That's just silly. I would rather see him do positive reviews then taking a film that he loves and the majority loves and tear it a part so the few people who only saw it once or twice as kids can go "LOL I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MOVIE WAS THAT BAD, GREAT JOB AGAIN CRITIC."

I loved his work in 2007 and 2008, even when I disagreed with his opinion. But he sold out along time ago and 90% of his new stuff is just... bad.

The only reason why it might seem that I'm attacking him more firecly then I should, it's just because he has SO many brainless fans who follow him like sheep. Makes it a lot harder to have a negative point against him without getting flooded by fans verbally assaulting me.

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[–] KelTron42 14 years ago

"Don't hate on NS"
Who is NS? The Nostalgic... Sailor?

In gamer's terms, it means "Nice Shot"
I just got the two confused... A quick edit fixed that all up! =)

But I agree about the rabid fans.

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[–] angel_shadow_fox 14 years ago

The agonybooth did a great review of this movie too.

http://agonybooth.com/recaps/Quest_for_Camelot_1998.aspx

I remember watching this movie as a kid, and I thought it was decent. Look back though, ugh, what a bunch of crap. Just watching those small chips was painful. Not a shred of originality.

May I ask what points in the NC's review did you disagree with bj_arni? I am a bit curious.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

There wasn't much to disagree with really. I personally didn't find the film to be as horrible.

I think it was mostly the recurring joke of him yelling out 'EXPLAIN'. When I watched this movie as a child, I was never confused over it. I understood everything.

It was a magical world, it was a re-telling of a story. That whole 'EXPLAIN' gag could have been put into ANY movie.

So, it's not that I disagreed with his opinions, more that I just didn't find his review funny. He could have done a lot better job at reviewing it.

Also, his Gary Oldman stick is lame, in my personal opinion.

The only good point was that when everything got fixed, the blind guy stayed blind and he was like "wat", other then that, it wasn't really funny.

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[–] JimmyZappa 14 years ago

You don't like laughing?

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

I only laugh when things are funny.
Which is why I only laugh at half the jokes said by Doug.

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[–] Blackjack254 14 years ago

there are a few episodes (VERY few) of the NC where i didn't even laugh once, but I DID laugh during this one, so it's definately not one of the worst ones.

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

bj_arni,

I completely disagree. This is one his best reviews ever. The only downside was the ending with Mary Poppins, but aside from that, I don't think I ever laughed so much in my entire life.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

One of his best reviews ever?

You must be shrooming.

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

Not at all. I've never used an illicit substance in my life. You're the only one who thinks the explain joke was unfunny. Between that, the ogre's butt, and the spoofs of the songs, you have some of the best bits in NC history. It's way better than any of the reviews he's done since (although the troll in central park review seems like it's a return to form).

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

I just don't think it's laughable when he pretends to be annoyed. I'd rather just see a review of the film instead of his forced rage.

I do not understand why someone would find that amusing.

That being said, I might check out Troll in Central Park seeing that you enjoyed that.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

"Like when the blind guy was injured and they are in the cave nursising his wounds. Suddenly a leaf comes along and heals him?"

Oh yeah, magic and fantasy in a freaking CAMELOT movie! What the hell is wrong with you? The movie might not been good but the fact that there was a *beep* magic leaf in the magic forest in a movie about magic is the worst reason ever to ever be mad.

"Seriously, the movie had no intensity or suspense because you always knew that something was going to fall out of the sky and save the day."

I don't know what kind of nihilistic child you were, but I didn't think that at all.

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

The rules of magic have to be explained and consistant. For example, Ruber's potion is perfectly fine because its use and effect on other things stay consistant throughout the entire movie. There are rules as to what it can and cannot do. There is nothing wrong with that magic.

The leaf, on the other hand, comes out of nowhere and is never brought up again. Can all leaves do this? Are they activated by human singing? Do they have to do with the thorny hands that were seen early on in the movie that were never seen from again? These are only some of the question raised.

In movies like LOTR and Harry Potter they take time to introduce us to their respective worlds and explain how they work. In Aladdin, they spent time explaining how the genie's powers worked. Movies like The Princess and the Frog and The Little Mermaid might not have delved into much detail about how the magic worked, but its use was consistant throughout the entire movie. In quest for camelot (with the exception of Ruber's potion) they simply do stuff and expect us to accept it.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

So, because the movie didn't have a giant exposition scene like some super big budget academy award winning movie did years after, makes it a bad movie?

Really, putting this movie next to Lord of the Rings and then finding it shocking evidence that Lord of the Rings is the better movie doesn't mean that this is some sort of garbage.

I have never met anyone that thought this much about this scene.

Because guess what? Children find long talking scenes EXPLAINING everything to be boring, and while Potter, Rings and Aladdin were more aimed for the entire family and older teens for the live action films, Camelot was not.

The science of lightsabers was never explained. Does that make Star Wars a bad movie?

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

Lightsabers are a common element throughout the entire saga. They are an integral part of the movies and as explained in episode IV, they're really symbols "of a more civilized age." That is their purpose. We don't need an explanation, because as stated in the example of The Little Mermaid and The Princess and the Frog, their use and function are constant throughout the entire story.

The leaf is just a giant Deus Ex Machina thought up by lazy script writers. All they would need is a throw-away line five minutes before like this "you know, they say that this forest is magical and has healing properties" or something like that.

LOTR was just one example. If you had read, you would've seen that I cited 3 animated musicals too.

The leaf really isn't the problem as much as it is one example of the whole film's lazy writing. I hope you don't think that I'm insulting you for liking the movie--after all we're all entitled to our opinons. Just know that we are all also entitled to our opinions and that if you like the movie despite its faults, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that there are glaring faults.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

I'm not a super big fan of the film. I just think that getting angry over the leaf scene (even in a comedic scene like the Nostalgia Critic) is simply nitpicking.

Of course it's lazy writing, but I think it's good enough for a random kids movie and honestly, I never though about it nor has it bothered me that the leaf was never explained.

When I saw that scene in the film, I thought "woah... awesome."

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

I don't think that the NC would have even brought it up had it not been for the fact that things of that nature had happened throughout the entire thing.

I agree with you that most kids probably wont care, but for me, that's not an excuse. parents take their kids to see these movies, and they should therefore contain something for the parents. The movie's harmless, to be sure, but there's a reason why not many people look back on it fondly.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

The comic relief characters are mostly there for parents. Sure, some kids enjoy a good Elvis impersonation or a Jack Nicholson one as seen in Aladdin, but it's mostly intended for the parents to enjoy something because they probably have no interest in the overall storyline.

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[–] Laserwolf65 14 years ago

when you have to post something that has nothing to do with my previous post, then you know that you've run out of arguments.

Look, I'm tired of this. I think the movie's crap and you don't. I love the NC review and you don't. We're each entitled to our opinions. You can continue to enjoy it and I'll continue to dislike it.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

I was tired of this debate weeks ago. At least I had the decency to actually try to reply to your horrid posts.

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[–] muggle08 14 years ago

Gosh, why take the Nostalgia Critic's reviews so serious? It's just humor. You can enjoy the things he's making fun of, as well as the review. It's not like it's a personal attack on the fans or something. I personally love Doug, as well as many things he's reviewed. And you know what? I still found them hilarious. Some of the things we loved as children, WERE pretty bad. But that doesn't mean I don't love the things just as much for nostalgic reasons.

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[–] DeadlySinner 14 years ago

"At least I had the decency to actually try to reply to your horrid posts."

The only horrid posts here are yours. You're actually defending deus ex machina, which is probably the most lazy way to resolve a conflict. Then you say it doesn't matter that the film was bad because it was a kids film, as if there weren't any good films made for children from early Disney, Pixar, Miyazaki, and others. I guess it shows your mental age that you like and defend this film that you yourself say is made only for kids with short attention spans.

Also, the nostalgia critic is a character, just like the angry videogame nerd. I thought that was painfully obvious for most people. He even has his own costume! He is not a formal critic, he rips into movies because that is what he does, and what is expected of him. He only gives his real opinion at the end, which is in the voice of Doug Walker.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

"You're actually defending deus ex machina"
No, I'm defending kids movies.

"Then you say it doesn't matter that the film was bad because it was a kids film"
No, I'm saying the film is not bad and that Nostalgia Critic is ripping on it harshly like he's expecting Citizen freaking Kane out of it.

"as if there weren't any good films made for children"
There are a lot of them. I just think that Quest for Camelot aims a lot more towards the good films than the bad.
Once again, this is just my opinion. I'm allowed to disagree with fake internet reviewers on the quality in films.

"Also, the nostalgia critic is a character"
Duh. And a terrible character at that. I sometimes forget that I'm watching a 30 year old man with the way it's written sometimes.

"he rips into movies because that is what he does, and what is expected of him."
The gimmick he started with was that he would dig up weird, abstract, bad films of the 80's and early 90's and rewatch them through the eyes of an adult, it was funny. Then it became a screaming contest and trying to find flaws in every single frame and then ending the review saying "Well, it's not that bad" or once again going over how much it sucks. I'm not the first one to point out that Walker has been going downhill for awhile. Not to say he doesn't make good episodes now and then, but when I click on an 'Internet review' I do expect more then someone yelling in a high pitch girlish voice "THIS MOVIE SUCKS THEY HAVE MAGIC" and reasoning that could be used on any number of cartoon films, be it good or bad. I watched the Quest for Camelot review, not really thinking that he was going to say anything good per say about the film, but that doesn't change that the review was poorly done (once again, in my opinion).

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[–] Mr_Beale 14 years ago

I was in tears during "the ogre's butt." One of his best reviews.

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[–] trisp 14 years ago

He totally had a point when things were all glossed over or unexplained.

"JUST EXPLAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINNNNNN!!!!!!"

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

He totally did not have a point. at all.

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[–] angel_shadow_fox 14 years ago

I never realized that this movie was that bad. Great review. This movie did seem to make things up as it went along. It doesn't establish anything. Not good story telling.

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[–] bj_arni 14 years ago

There's nothing more that I hate then when NC fans say "I never realized that this movie was that bad."

Seriously? Just because your precious 30 year old manchild messiah rips on something, doesn't mean you have to agree with him word from word.

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[–] Bluenowait 14 years ago

Well maybe they say that because they hadn't seen that movie since they were younger, and only have vague memories of it. But yeah, they have the right to their own opinions; but, like NC once joked, "I have an internet show, which automatically makes my opinion's better than yours."

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[–] ftremblay 14 years ago

I thought it was hilarious that the chick got away because the guard just stopped... guarding her.

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[–] Astrolupine 14 years ago

I hope Gary Oldman doesn't show up in any more episodes. Because of his terrible performances, the scenes of the recording and of Dr. Smith went on too long.
Also, when is Gary going to star in a GOOD animated movie for once? Jeepers!

I have to give credit to the writers for trying something new with a blind hero, but maaaannn, was this poorly animated. Practically blurry sludge. Oh and as for the chicken turning good, it's just impossible for Jallel White to play a bad guy. Impossible.

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[–] Darwinskid 14 years ago

Oldman did the recent Christmas Carol movie playing three characters, that was pretty decent, masterpiece compared to this movie obviously. I'm also happy Oldman isn't too obvious playing the characters he selects anymore.

Anyways, good review. I remember it being bad but not THIS bad, man the past can really pierce ya big time.

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[–] arngusa 14 years ago

Eh, just another one of those cartoon movies that they made us watch in history class. They did have a lot of famous actors/actresses provide the voices for the characters, which was nice but didn't help this movie out any.

Good review from the NC. He had a point when it seemed like they just blatantly copied characters from other Disney movies. Maybe it can be EXPLAINED?

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[–] Bluenowait 14 years ago

For BJ: here's an excerpt from a rebuttal NC's Brother, Rob, delivered on the page's boards

I completely side with Linkara's line "It's magic, I don't have to explain it." Why? Because he, himself, is being sarcastic! The whole point of that line is that the "magic claim" is a lazy man's way of writing. Just because you throw a line here or there about witches or an enchanted forest, that doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want. Film is a VISUAL medium, and almost every plot point that would explain something satisfactorily is delivered in a poorly written, glanced over throwaway line where if you turned your head for a split second, you missed it. Seriously, these are things out of Storyboarding 101. By saying, "It's magic! They don't have to see or know how or why any of this happened," the filmmakers were essentially insulting their audience and saying, "*beep* it. Kids are stupid."

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[–] KelTron42 14 years ago

On which page of the comments is that located? (reading through ALL of NC's comments can get exhausting and time-consuming)

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[–] trisp 14 years ago

I think it's kind of funny how he's talking about never wanting to see Cary Elwes and Gary Oldman in the same film together when they starred together in not one but two other movies, the first being Dracula and the more recent being A Christmas Carol.

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[–] Bluenowait 14 years ago

Here's the source: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14768&; amp; amp;start=360#p159296

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[–] KelTron42 14 years ago

Thank you! =)

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[–] JimmyZappa 14 years ago

No kidding.

I mean I own the movie on DVD myself but I know its a souless, blatant ripoff of Disney. I loved it when it was torn to pieces cause it was the funniest review i've seen yet.

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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[–] ultimatenexus 10 years ago

The Sin City sketch was by far the funniest part of this review.

Strangely enough, that song actually fit that movie more than it did the actual movie.

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