The aunts take the girls to some sort of celebration (I'm pretty sure they said solstice) but as far as I'm aware the solstice are in June and December. I believe there is an equinox at the end of March (I only know that because I tried to find out on Wikipedia) but this film is set at the beginning of March. Does anyone know what exactly they were celebrating?
Chihiro: You don't remember your name?
Haku: No, but for some reason I remember yours.
Summer solstice. The film was not set in March, the cop only said that Jimmy's previous victim had been found in March. It's not unreasonable that it was June by the time the aunts mentioned the solstice celebration.
*Those without a sense of humour are at the mercy of the rest of us*
Did the cop not read Sally's letter which was dated about 3rd march? I'm sure she posted it just as she realised her sister was in trouble with jimmy as the aunts were leaving
Chihiro: You don't remember your name?
Haku: No, but for some reason I remember yours.
Watched PM tonight. Officer Hallet (Quinn) clearly says into his recorder the date being March 8th.
sharein wiccan celebrations it could be anytime of year really as they could just be clebrating their religeon/craft, the three main ones are spring summer and winter solstice, but they can celebrate anytime they have a reason.
shareWiccans have 8 major Holidays, not three, and the ones you mention are Spring Equinox (Ostara) Summer Solstice (Litha), and the Winter Solstice (Yule).
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Sorry, untrue. There are specific dates, especially for equinoxes and solstices. This is a major plot hole, as they go off to SOLSTICE, obviously summer solstice (June). Yet everything else places them in March. The script obviously should have had them going off for EQUINOX, (March, spring equinox). We do NOT just celebrate any old time. There are two equinoxes, and two solstices, same general time every year, based on astrological equations.
shareASTRONOMICAL equations, not astrological. And I don't see how it could be March and the weather be so beautiful. Aren't they supposed to be in Washington State? Wouldn't there be snow on the ground in March? I think the plot hole is the date they have Hallett use.
Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
They're in Massachusetts, not Washington! But I also thought the weather seemed unseasonably nice for a New England spring--it's usually pretty brown, cloudy, and cool here in March.
Never settle with words what you can accomplish with a flamethrower.
They're on San Juan Island in Washington, which is standing in for Pilgrim country somewhere on the Massachusetts coast, maybe even Martha's Vineyard, since Maria was banished to a large island.
I, too, was annoyed at the late spring/early summer foliage for early March. The first crocuses usually pop through around March 20.
Also, I think astrological would be also correct in this sense as the zodiac is based on equinoxes and solstices.
Búllshït.
The winter and summer solstice respectively are the shortest and longest days of the year. When the Sun reaches its lowest and highest excursion relative to the celestial equator. These events happen on specific days and times in December and June.
The fall and spring equinox happen when the plane of Earth's equator passes through the center of the Sun, which occurs twice each year, around 20 March and 23 September.
This is in the northern hemisphere. It's reversed in the southern hemisphere.
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pixie-dixie wrote:
in wiccan celebrations it could be anytime of year really as they could just be clebrating their religeon/craft, the three main ones are spring summer and winter solstice, but they can celebrate anytime they have a reason.
The holiday at the end of March is Ostara, similar to the Christian Easter. It is not a solstice, it is the vernal equinox. But it could have been just a Esbat, gathering or festival.
Either way, it was a solstice (June or December).
It's not that it's similar, it was stolen by the Christian church in order to take over yet another pagan holiday to try to stomp it out. It is spelled variously as Ostara, Eostara, Eostre, and is the root of the word 'estrus', etc. It is a fertility holiday which is where the eggs and bunnies come from.
The pagan calendar is:
New Year (Samhain): October 31st/Nov. 1st (like Judaism, the holidays go from sunset to sunset)
Yule/Winter SOLSTICE: Dec. 21st, usually, but may be the 20th, depending on astrological configurations.
Imbolc: Beb. 2nd
ostara: March 21st (approximately)
Beltane: May 1st
Summer solstice: June 21st (approximately)
Lammas: July 31st/Aug. 1st
Mabon: Autumn Equinox/harvest, Sept 21st (approximately)...also where we get 'bon' fire.
Okay?
shareThere is no such thing as a pagan calendar unless you are referring to the neopagan calendar. Pagans essentially means any religion but the Abrahamic ones. The Romans during the reign of the Holy Roman Empire used the term Pagan as a blanket term for all of the polytheistic religions scattered across Europe which includes various Scandinavian cultures including the Vikings who celebrated no such calendar. Neopagans which I am assuming you are, try to emulate cultures that we know next to nothing about mainly the celts. There was no one celtic religion, they were a tribal society that didn't have a set, set of beliefs. Religion and mythos actually varied from tribe to tribe. When the Roman Empire expanded into the British Isles eventually bringing with them Christianity they attempted to assimilate the Celts in Ireland and Scotland through missionary work. The Celts not really having a strict religion assimilated rather easily. The Romans realizing that it would be easier to convince their new subjects to convert if they could keep some of their own traditions made Christmas a winter celebration and moved many of their other celebrations to the dates we know now. The Celts in turn brought with them a whole spring of traditions that we now consider Christian traditions. Saying it was stolen expresses a clear misunderstanding of what actually went down. The Celts in Ireland and Scotland didn't have the Holy Roman Empire breathing down their necks when they converted. The missionary work was carried out buy monks who the Celts greatly out numbered and yet they converted of their own free will.
The Celts were an interesting culture but the fact of the matter is we know almost nothing about them as they didn't write anything down. The Neopagan version of the Celtic religion has very little to do with the religion it tries to emulate. In fact a good chunk of things Neopagans like to spout contradicts the few things we actually do know about the culture and the religion.
Its something you'll get used to a mental mind *beep* can be nice!
I think you all missed the point, or maybe i was the one missing the point, but what i understood is that the aunts were suspicious about the behaviour of Sally and Gillian, and decided to take the kids aways in preparation for the forthcoming events, inventing a celebration (that may or may not have happened) Knowing that the two Owens didnt know a lot of Wiccan´s celebrations (because they never were into Magic that much, yes, they perform magic every now and then, but they choose to be a little more "normals" than their aunts).
shareNo. The Aunts took the girls to the celebration BEFORE Sally and Gillian even got back. They had no idea there was any suspicious behavior of Sally and Gillian. All they knew was that Gillian was in trouble (they all sensed it) and Sally went to help her.
shareThis is written about in Goofs; that after the Summer Solstice in June, it's somehow March when Sally is "later" being recorded by the cop. So - just a mistake?
shareMy guess is most mundane people are more familiar with the term solstice and likely have heard it before. The term equinox, not as likely, so they went with solstice.
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This is written about in Goofs; that after the Summer Solstice in June, it's somehow March when Sally is "later" being recorded by the cop. So - just a mistake?
There was a Blood Moon (with a clear shot on it) and I'm pretty sure the aunts said they were going to a sabbath. I don't think the script writers put any tought into, if there would be any real sabbath dates or anything for witch-crafting people, since the vast majority wouldn't know about it anyway - so I think they just made it up and the date doesn't have any meaning, really.
shareHere's the thing - whatever form of the craft the Ownens family practiced it was probably not Wicca. Though drawn from earlier practices, Wicca was only "created" in the 20th century. Clearly the line of witches and the family curse dated back to at least puritan Massachusetts - far before the establishment of Wicca. Perhaps they were practitioners of traditional witchcraft or similar form.
That being said, they could have pretty much been celebrating anything.
Does the book provide the actual date this took place and what the celebration was?
shareIt's been a while since I read the book, but the book and movie have only the most basic things in common. The overall stories are actually very different. IIRC, the sisters didn't even live with the aunts in the book, and they did not take the kids away to any celebration. In fact, the book was fairly light on the whole magic aspect in general.
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