Lol wait a minute, wasn't the whole point to break out of that social hierarchy? She was breaking social norms of Ancient China.
Sigh. It seems that you weren't able to understand my comment. I'll repeat again.
While it's true that Mulan was breaking the social status quo, this status quo was (I repeat) way more
complex than the usual woke feminist "
women oppressed, men oppressors, hihihiii" simple narrative that appear in those (fortunately) few lines.
Let's remember that the context of the story is that men are forced to go to war, while women are forced to NOT to go. In this particular status quo, women are actually privileged over men.
Mulan breaks the status quo by
SACRIFICING HER PRIVILEGES.
It's the story a her breaking the social norms
through self-sacrifice. I repeat, in case it wasn't clear:
through self-sacrifice. She's actually giving up her privilege to save her father. She's not getting a better deal, or a gender quota position, or some happy benefits and subsidies. She's getting
a fucking place in a slaughterhouse called War.
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Furienna (3312)
4 years ago
Yes, because a woman's life was so great in China (roll eyes).
If a girl was even allowed to live, it was likely that her feet were bound.
Maybe a few had the luck to have a liberal father, who allowed his daughter to be educated.
But she would still have hardly any opportunity to control her own situation.
Mulan came to see the army as preferable to the traditional woman's life.
And even though I personally never would cut it as a soldier, I don't blame her.
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kukuxu (5409)
4 years ago
Yes, because a woman's life was so great in China (roll eyes).
It depends on she was poor woman or a rich woman.
Your living standard depended on your family status and wealth, much much more than on your gender.
Maybe a few had the luck to have a liberal father, who allowed his daughter to be educated.
Guess what? The huge majority of people in history didn't have an education, men or women. Most of people in China were illiterate until the second half of XXth century.
But she would still have hardly any opportunity to control her own situation.
And guess what? Most of people in history couldn't control their own situation! Particularly in highly hierarchical systems like China. Most people were happy if they managed to survive, have a shelter and be able to feed their children.
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Furienna (3312)
4 years ago
That is not entirely true.
Take for example Zhu Yuanzhang, who grew up as a peasant and became an emperor.
And a man could get a good position as long as he passed a civil servant exam.
But it was much harder for a woman to achieve anything, just because of her gender.
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kukuxu (5409)
4 years ago
The probability of a poor man of becoming a civil servant was extremely small. It was much more likely to rise your social status if you were a woman, by marrying into a rich family.
Regarding Zhu Yuanzhang, he was a warlord. A warlord that became emperor, but a warlord nonetheless.
And by the way, his wife started being poor too and accompanied him during his campaigns. Eventually, she became the Empress. Quite curious how you use him to "prove" that a poor man had easier to become the Emperor... when just besides him you had a woman that started poor and became the Empress! 😄
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Ma_(Hongwu)
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Furienna (3312)
2 years ago
Except she couldn't become an empress unless she married a man, who managed to become an emperor.
So I guess that my point still stands, that a woman's status depended on the status of her father or her husband.
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punkrockgirl (1153)
2 years ago
some people really reach to find a "woke agenda" that isn't even there. Sure, I find the certain one line you were talking about strange too, but that specific character himself I think is supposed to be portraying the extreme. Since it's a cartoon for families with young children of course it would be more simplistic. For you to say "no one would ever tell a woman to be silent" simply is not true. because people like that exist. Also no he would not necessarily go to jail in that setting of such an oppressive society. You're basically saying that it would be better for men to be forced to go to war instead of both men and women choosing to join in the war or stay at home. I don't see how that's "privileged" over men since there's still a lot of things women wouldn't be allowed to do and the few women who would want to fight in a war like Mulan would never be able to make that decision. Sexism, a very real thing whether or not people try to deny that it should be shown in a movie, doesn't automatically mean something is "woke ideology." Trying to find a modern day narrative in a 24 year old movie is just weird.
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