Arwen: "What's this, a Ranger caught off his guard?'


... has always bothered me. The remark seems so out of character for the film Arwen. She is always so serious, formal, and at times deferential to Aragorn.
I am aware that the role of Arwen was expanded considerably for the film to accommodate Liv Tyler. In the books, Elrond's daughter is more of a presence than anything else, and if I remember correctly, never speaks.


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I always had the same reaction to that line. Not only because it was out of character for Arwen, but because it was very incongruous in context, given that she knew what a life-and-death situation was in play. I think it was intended as humor, but really didn't fit. However, it's not a huge deal, just a blip as most of the screenplay in this film is excellent.

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I agree with most here — it was fine.

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Arwen does speak in the books, at least once that I can think of: when she gave Frodo her gem, symbolically giving him her seat on one of the Elven ships that sail into the West.

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Arwen also has dialogue in Tolkien's LotR Appendices, especially in "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" in Appendix A.

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Actually Arwen does speak in the books as a little research has reminded me. It's been awhile since I've read the trilogy. Guess it's time for a reread.

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arwen's character never bothered me. She comes into the picture beautifully and Elrond's daughter experiences fear.

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Books aside, are we supposed to assume she knew damn well what he was doing?
It makes sense that the first thing you hear her say is something more light hearted , then after seeing Frodo so fked up , almost dying in a wraith chase, that she'd be more serious from then after.

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Given their relationship, it seemed to me it was slightly mocking and flirtatious.

Given the narrative for the movie in a stand alone scene, it momenterilly raises the peril of Frodo and Strider, we won't know if Arwen is friend or foe.

It also allows Arwen to quickly convert from a mischievious girl into a powerful ally

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I thought it was quite realistic for their relationship. Remember Arwen had known Aragorn since he was a teenager, and they weren't yet married at that point. She was teasing him as a form of greeting. Without small moments of that nature, their romance would have been less believable. Greeting a lover whom you've been parted from for some time by sneaking up behind them and making them jump is something quite common. Look at all the soldier-returning-home videos where they hide in a closet. Returning from the hell of war to see the loved ones you've been separated from is serious business, but we still find humour in it.
Besides, it made for a more interesting shot than Arwen stepping out from behind a tree and making small talk. She had plenty of time to be frantic and serious in the subsequent twenty-minute horse chase!

There are other small comic moments from other elves anyway. Elrond's affronted frown and then twinkling smile about the hobbits sneaking into the Council. Haldir's uncomfortable smile when Aragorn hugged him. Legolas has plenty with Gimli, and Galadriel laughed at Sam. It shows that they aren't just moving statues. That they have humour and are able to relate to humans (and other races, but from our POV it's a human interest), and vice versa.





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Remember Arwen had known Aragorn since he was a teenager, and they weren't yet married at that point.
Well, since he was twenty, anyway. Arwen was visiting family in Lórien (that is Galadriel) throughout Aragorn's entire childhood. He didn't even know that Elrond had a daughter before they first met.

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Yes, you are correct. My point was, she knew him before he became serious brooding woeful destiny ranger man. So the teasing was in character.




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I thought that line was believable. Kind of cute even.


Also, I believe in the original script for the trilogy, that Arwen was supposed to be a tad more adventurous and light-hearted. I'm sure in the version where she fought at Helm's Deep, she would have made been given some one-liners and quips that all of the other main participants got to have.

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I like the line. It's a bit flirtatious so that we are given a hint of romance. Like she is teasing him.

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