Did he do it?


I thought the interview was a very great film. But is Flemming the one who did it?

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Well, that's the whole point. The film isn't going to make it easy for you. I initially thought Fleming was unquestionably guilty of everything he confessed to, but the more times I watch the film and notice details, the less certain I am. The police clearly lie in some instances to trap him and fabricate evidence. But would an innocent man readily admit to several murders after only a few hours in jail? Fleming is either a killer or a disturbed man with an obsession for crime stories and a grudge against the police. I think Steele honestly believes he's guilty and is trying to arrest a dangerous man. But apart from the initial flashback about the disappearance/murder that propels the investigation, which has a visceral quality, Fleming's confession sounds made up, with few details and careful calculation to provoke a reaction in the officers. Both lead characters lie to and manipulate each other. Steele's motivation is elucidated by his conversations with other officers and the reporter, but Fleming remains a mystery to the end. We can't really know if he's smiling at the end because he put one over on the police or because he's gotten away with murder.

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I lean towards the guilty part, but sometimes I can completly believe his innocence. It's hard to decide.

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The first time I saw it I was convinced Fleming was guilty of everything he confessed to too. ;) But repeat viewing muddy the waters...we know both Fleming and Steele mislead and outright lie on critical points. Fleming does seem more guilty concerning the car theft and disappearance than the subsequently confessed murders which are glibly and sketchily mentioned. He's obviously a disturbed individual who enjoys manipulating the police, but I'm not convinced he's a serial killer. He might be interested in subverting several ongoing police investigations (he obviously follows criminal cases) if he thinks he's going down for the one crime there is some evidence he was connected to. But even in that one case the evidence isn't incontrovertible. Handwriting analysis isn't an exact science and Steele lied about one witness identification...

So it's a delicious mystery really. :) It rewards repeat viewings because you notice new details which skew your perspective of both Fleming and Steele each time. Steele is easier to pin down, and his motives are honest even if his techniques aren't. Fleming's motives are an utter mystery, whether he's completely guilty, completely innocent or somewhere in between.

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I agree completely on the ambiguity of Fleming's motives and innocence. On his defense,I would've broken down under such harsh treatment from the detective and especially his sgt. who has such a violent personality. Also, whenever I think it's Fleming, I keep thinking of how he whispered "I'm no killer you stupid bastard," when he could've just as easily said something like "you'll never prove your case" or something, because he didnt know that cameras were rolling and the tape wasn't recording. Plus they only were interested in giving him food after the 4th time he asked and said he'd draw a diagram. Then again, it's a pretty elaborate story to create with such vivid details for an on the spot improvasation. URGH it's frustrating.

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watch it again..... he did it

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I agree. The newspaper evidence, that the police find as Fleming/Weaving is leaving the police station, is pretty convincing by itself.

Great film!

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i just saw this film for the first time yest. (thanks late nite tv) and it was pretty interesting. i thought he did commit the crimes at the end but agree it was a bit ambiguous. just the evidence and his discriptions of the murder and how nonchalant he was and then him laughing and smiling at the end. hmmmm

hugo weaving was really good in it too (but he's always amazing)

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We need someone with experience in interpreting body language to help us shed some light on this question.

I noticed the camera deliberately focusing on many different types of body language throughtout the film. Deciphering these will give us the answers.

Unfortunately most of my time spent in this field has been concentrated on studying the habits of females in social situations, so i cant help here =(

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Was Kevin Spacey actually Keyser Soze(however it is spelled)? It's the same scenario here. A man is brought in, questioned, convinces the police of his innocence or id at least let go, he walks away smiling! Both were guilty, both lied. That's why he was smiling. It was a "matter of being reasonable", or whatever he said. Weaving would have been found guilty had he not acted a certain way. The interrogator was geting out of hand, and Weaving knew if he bided his time, and behaved rationallly, he would be able to walk. The last freeze frame shot is of him smiling. It's a guilty look, and one that wouldn't be emphasized so matter of factly if there is to be little meaning behind it.


There is no night as deep as this
Inevitable mind's abyss
Where I now dwell with foes alone

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Something Hugo said that makes me lean towards innocence. He said during the interview, "It's just goes to show you how the mind works," and I believe he was inferring to how the sergeant just wanted to get him to confess. Then again, I believe the movie was written to leave the question of his innocence up to the viewer, and not a set in stone "Guilty" or "Not Guilty".

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"It's just goes to show you how the mind works,"

I always see that as a statement about us the viewing public, who initially feel a fascist miscarriage of justice is about to take place, then get turned on our heads, then somersaulted once or twice more for good measure...!

Our sympathies are tugged this way and that - can we believe what our eyes tell us?

Cracking performance from Weaving to effect this.

Good stuff.

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He did it.




SPOILERS**************


The smile at the end was not one of someone who was innocent and thankfully relieved. It was a devilish smile of someone who delightfully was proud of the fact that he manipulated the entire police force and then walked out free. He was so puffed up with himself -the whole tie business- "look who I am!" "look what I did!" A magnificent job of acting by all.

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He didn`t do it.
He just wanted a revenge on the police force personified in Det. Sgt. John Steele.

Why would he do this?

1. The fact is that the policemen humiliated him while arresting him. They acted more like the police of a country with a highly opressive regime (USA for example :-) rather than a democracy like Australia.
2. They didn`t even brought charges against him. So basically he was locked up for nothing.
3. They refused to give him any food, shouted at him, etc. until he began beeing more cooperative. This means confessing to something he didn`t do.
(remember "In the Name of the Father")
4. He was pissed of at the goverment for being unemployed for a long time. In fact he felt that he had a score to settle with them.

Look at it this way. You are 40 something, unemployed, lonely, living on wellfare, and all of a sudden policemen knock down your door and humiliate you in front of your whole building. Well, I`d be pretty pissed of and for once would like to fight back.

The so called EVIDENCE:

1. The newspapers, right? How can they prove that he bought them the very same day, once a person is reported missing? If you are a crime case freak (just like Fleming) wouldn`t you like to have a copy of the first report which states when a crime was commited.
2. The fingerprints on the car and the documents? How can you be sure that the detectives didn`t just said that or that they manufactured the evidence. Given the fact what was happening I couldn`t be surprised if they "found" an M-16 or a chainsaw in his apartment. Who could say it was or wasn`t there?
3. Eyewitness? A report says that Fleming`s description didn`t match the description they got from the witnesses (no one knows how much blackmail they used to get anything out of them).

Fleming`s moment of triumph was not the smile on his face. His true victory is when the last thing he said to Steele was "I didn`t kill anybody, you fool!"
The smile is the sense of satisfaction when a man who is beeing deprived of everything he has, regains the most valuable thing - freedom.

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That is a pretty good resume. And I agree with it completely. Though, watched this movie in original English which is not my native language, so I did not understand some moments and pity that too much, because every line is filled with points of interest (Tony Martin did a very Australian accent I guess!).
I just wonder, anyone could help with a script or English subtitles for this movie?
It is brilliant, anyway…

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How does the USA have an "opressive regime"?

All I can say to that, is "Uhhhh ooookkkaayyy?"

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How about Guantanamo prison?
No trial, no jury, no charges, no POW status acording to the Geneva convention. USA=1984. If you know what that means.

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Nice try, but your ignorance is showing. According to the Geneva Accords/Convention/Agreement (however you wish to characterize it), the majority of *ahem* "detainees" in Gitmo were subject to summary execution when captured on the battlefield. That they are alive is testament to the restraint shown by the armed forces of the USA, and to the restrictions placed on same by pusillanimous politicians.
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Just as a wise man can say something foolish, a fool can say something wise.

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Subject to summary execution???? Where did you read that? If this is really "
war on terror" and not an imperialist conquest, than like in any other war, the Geneva convention applys to it prohibits the abuse and execution of POWs of any kind. If someone is to be executed, it must be done by a verdict of an international tribunal (not military, get it), like in the Nurnberg trials. Or is this open to free interpretation as the Americans see fit? There was only one other nation in history who so openly defied and interpreted international law as they saw fit - NAZI GERMANY. Sure, you can name many countries with dictatorships or opressing regimes, but no one is so mean as the U.S. is today.
Basically what the americans are saying is:
"Do as we order you to do, or we will bring democracy to your country."
Except their democracy is slowly resembling INGSOC democracy.

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Your bias and ignorance are showing.

Not members of an organized, uniformed military force and captured in battle means they are not covered by the Geneva Accords and thus subject to summary execution at the discretion of the capturing power. Look it up.

"...[O]nly one other nation in history who so openly defied and interpreted international law as they saw fit - NAZI GERMANY." !? Never heard of the Imperial Japanese Army in WWII? Or the Red Army, same period? Or the NVA and the ARVN of the Second Indochina War? Look up more examples if you want to learn, there are plenty.

"...but no one is so mean as the U.S. is today." Awww, isums upset at the doodyhead Americans for not playing nice?

You sound like a nine year old. Go study up on your history before you try to interject again, with what you think you know, when adults are discussing things.



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"But you can't have babies, Stan! Where's the foetus going to gestate? Y'gonna keep it in a box?!"

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Sorry 'unclebubba', but it's YOUR ignorance that is showing.

You say that "according to" the Geneva Convention many detainees would have been subject to summary execution on the battlefield as they are "unlawful combatants". First, the Geneva Convention does not sanction execution of any kind, but was in fact designed to PROTECT people's rights - so no-one can be subject to execution "according" to the Geneva Convention. You're correct in saying they are not afforded prisoner of war status, but that does NOT mean they can simply be killed by whomever captures them.

It is an extremely old principle of international law that permitted summary execution of terrorists (vs actual enemy combatants) during war-time. However, there was a 1977 Protocol to the Geneva Convention that gave procedural rights to unlawful combatants. Despite the vast majority of countries that ratified it, one of the ones that decided they wanted the right to simply kill someone they captured was the US. So, yes, you're technically correct, but you're completely wrong in how you approach it. See: "4. A combatant who falls into the power of an adverse Party while failing to meet the requirements set forth in the second sentence of paragraph 3 shall forfeit his right to be a prisoner of war, but he shall, nevertheless, be given protections equivalent in all respects to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention and by this Protocol. This protection includes protections equivalent to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention in the case where such a person is tried and punished for any offences he has committed." Guess who else didn't ratify it? Afghanistan and Iraq. Great company to keep.

Besides, you seem to be proud that the US decided they wanted to retain the right to execute people without any form of trial or even questioning (despite saying the government was weak for not permitting troops to kill those they captured). What should be done when these people are captured is subject them to, at the very least, a military tribunal where execution is NOT a possible sentence. And why, if the US is a civilised country, should they be able to submit people to any law they wish? The US inititates a conflict with a known party in ANOTHER COUNTRY, then decides to ship them to an external US territory so they won't get the usual rights that someone in the US would? Come on.

Further, you're completely ignoring why the issue is so controversial. Indeed, Al Qaeda are by no means lawful combatants. However, the US has declared that the Taliban are not lawful combatants, despite them actually being in power in Afghanistan and despite the US initiating conflict in the first place. There is, of course, a moral question as to whether the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the Taliban or their adherence to the rules of war (it's questionable whether the US has followed the rules strictly as well) should negate their access to Geneva rights. However, you can't just simplify things the way you are - it's unhelpful at best and misleading at worst.

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It's a dual thing, Hugo's character is guilty and the police are guilty. If the police had done their job rightly, they would have gotten him. I think it's a moral play. One of my faves.

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Master manipulator. He did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIyTfXv2Hk
"Stalingrad. . . The fall of Stalingrad was the end of Europe. There's been a cataclysm."

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Sorry to say, but I certainly would not want you on my jury. I don't think you can reasonably state with absolute certainty that Fleming is guilty.

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After four odd years I finally got hold of this fantastic film and watched it tonight. Anyway, here are my thoughts on it (keep in mind I've only seen it once).

Looking at all the evidence on both sides I think that whether Flemming is guilty or not is entirely up to the viewer. Basically you are given Sgt. Steele, who believes Flemming is guilty, and Flemming, who believes he is innocent. Then you are given evidence supporting both sides. And in the end neither is proved or disproved: either way could be right. In that respect this movie has no ending: Flemming walks free, but a new detective is in charge of the case and will be shadowing him. In such convolutions where two sides have conflicting beliefs and both think they are right the truth can fracture and split.

No. What I think this movie is really about is a study of the human character under pressure: how everyone, in the end, is trying to further his own ends. You can see how differently the characters act when confronted with different situations, people, and circumstances. How rules that were made to help people can end up just making things more complicated. And how, although some people have more power or are in better situations than others, everybody can bend the rules in their favor.

I guess what I liked most about this movie is that you never end up rooting for anybody: nobody is the good-guy ot the bad-guy, so you can just sit back and enjoy the show.

Although speaking for myself, I tend to go for Eddie, because I am a Weaving nut. It was really nice to see him in a more dramatic role where he didn't have to put on his gravelly American voice (see V for Vendetta, LotR, Matrix, and Babe). It's cool and all, but his Australian accent is easier on the ears.

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Tony Martin did a good Australian accent, probably because he IS Australian. :)

On the Extra Features of the DVD, one of the deleted scenes was a closing scene where Sgt. Steele goes after Fleming on a solo vendetta and catches him in the act. I think the director was correct in cutting this as it does leave the answer up to the audience as to Fleming's guilt.

In my opinion the more obvious answer is that he is guilty, and certainly you get that impression the first couple of times you watch it. But when you think about it, it is equally as plausible that he is simply a crime buff. The smile could easily have been one of enormous satisfaction that he was able to use his extensive interest in crime and criminal behaviour to escape some very hot water.

I still lean towards him being guilty though, given his lack of mental stability and his recent life history, coupled with the evidence (as flimsy as it might be).

In real life, the "toecutters" would never have pushed for Fleming's release based on unethical conduct in the interview room.

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I think that this very discussion is the purpose of the movie.

"The Interview" deals in no hard answers. Both guilt & innocence are likely in their own way, but it comes down to so many different & often foggy details that making a definite conclusion may be impossible. After watching this movie a number of times I've vacillated between the two outcomes & have finally decided that I should probably give up-- that the point may not be a concrete conclusion (*******spoiler********- like "The Usual Suspects", which someone else mentioned, where it was obvious in more ways than one that Spacey was Soze. This movie does not offer such a luxury. Pinning down Hugo's smile in that last scene is almost like trying to nail down water).

It somewhat reminded me of a play I acted in in high school called "The Night of January 16" by Ayn Rand (who, as far as I'm concerned, was a scumbag, but that doesn't matter right now). Anyway it was a courtroom drama where members of the audience were selected as the jury. The ending of the play differed depending on the ruling of said audience/jury. However the whole thing was composed in such a way that whether the jury convicted or acquitted the defendant, they were always wrong (or at least considered wrong, at the judge would make clear that he disagreed with their ruling). Written in 1934, and actually not half bad.

Anyway...
In closing, if you liked the feel of this movie I suggest checking out "Picnic At Hanging Rock" by Peter Weir. It's possibly the ultimate in Aussie mystery cinema.

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methinks the expression on his face during the final scene says it all ...

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I think we are meant to believe he's guilty - in the opening scene when the police break down his door and he is thrown facedown onto the carpet, what does he do...? He smiles to himself. So he was apparently expecting them.

On the other side, does it matter? There is no way of knowing for sure, the points of the movie are: "Police brutality could happen to anybody", and "Anybody could be a murderer", plus: "Bad cops can get caught in their own slings".
I would add: "Don't try this yourself, you`d likely end up on Death Row".

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yeh well caught on the smile. and interessting that he pisses himself right after and not before when he has a gun shoved in his face. right up until this moment he doesnt say a single word. GUILTY.

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Would an innocent man laugh like that at the end of such a harrowing interview? Would you? He was playing with the cops the whole time. If that was me, I would be screaming bloody murder about the injustice done to me. If I was innocent.

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Would an innocent man laugh like that at the end of such a harrowing interview? Would you? He was playing with the cops the whole time. If that was me, I would be screaming bloody murder about the injustice done to me. If I was innocent.


Wrong. He could be laughing because he's innocent and overjoyed that he was able to be set free or be guilty for the same reason. Just because you wouldn't laugh doesn't mean an innocent person wouldn't laugh either. We're all different and some people would laugh if they were innocent.

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Of course he did it. The movie isn't ambiguous at all. Just because police botches the investigation and the interview, doesn't mean the accused is suddenly innocent.

There are so many things an innocent man would never do, that this murderer did, it's not even funny.

People are talking about the ending laugh as if it's just the FACT that he laughted, not _HOW_ he laughed. Regardless of whether an innocent man would laugh or not, _THAT_ is not an innocent laugh or behaviour.

Also, why would an innocent man try to convince the police about the motivations (or lack thereof) of a murderer, or pretend to think anything about them? Why would an innocent man even talk about that kind of stuff? An innocent man wouldn't be talking about 'caving someone's face in', for crying out loud.

An innocent man wouldn't try to out-manipulate the cops in any case. A guilty man can't get free by telling the truth, so all he CAN do is manipulate and try to make them botch their investigation and interview, so they HAVE to give him his freedom.

An innocent man wouldn't have to be 'tactical' like that, they would just tell the truth, and that would be that. Why anyone would even consider this character to be innocent, is beyond me. Do people not have common sense?

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