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Why the movie doesn't work.


"I was not unhappy with the film at all but there are holes in it. The problem is it wasn't my story." - Neil Jordan

That the director is admitting not only that it's NOT HIS STORY but also to the fact that there are holes in the film means it doesn't work. That's what he's saying in the quote.

But, since I'm a sucker for talking about things that will never matter while on the internet, I'll continue.

Now, I enjoyed the movie to a point. Eventually it got sort of tiring and the end where she played house with Vivienne felt sort of dull and formulaic for such an atypical film. But I digress.

The whole "Claire is Vivienne" explanation simply isn't satisfying, because in order to make it work you have to throw out the entire movie. Without doing that, it doesn't work. I could drum up a lot of interesting interpretations of films if I were just to gleefully ignore the whole of the film's plot and chose to infer a subplot from the art design. Yes, there is a lot of suggestive imagery and the lines between dream and reality blur intentionally fairly often. As a film about psychic linking of two people, it very obviously plays with their identities (e.g. the haircut, the car scene, the typical Jordan androgyny). But the interpretation being suggested requires the entire narrative to be thrown out.

The thing of it is, if you're going to use an unreliable narrator (which this interpretation is implying Claire is) then you can't also show us a wealth of scenes from the point of view of OTHER characters (husband, doctor, police, etc). The film is NOT shown from only Claire's POV, as another thread suggested. There is also the intro scene explaining the flood, which is clearly meant for the audience and is not a delusion of Claire's. There's too much in the film that either doesn't support or directly contradicts the MPD explanation. When you have to throw out the whole movie to make your interpretations work, you no longer have a working interpretation.

You can't pick and choose like that. If you're saying that Claire is Vivienne then there has to actually be some event transpiring in order to make this the case. Otherwise no one is anyone, because nothing that we've just seen on screen is reliable and it doesn't mean anything at all.

There have been plenty of films and series where this thing has been done correctly and it actually stands up to review. This is not one of those cases. There two simple explanations as to why that is. Either:
1. as Jordan admits the film has holes and the story is not his the begin with so he attempted and failed to potray this MPD plot
or more likely,
2. because it isn't what was being portrayed in the first place, and you're reading far too much into the film. Even still, there are inconsistencies and holes about, but it's not nearly as problematic as the reaching MPD interpretation.

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Claire is not Vivian. People thinking that is ridiculous, because as you said, MOST of the movie would be irrelevant and make no sense. Not because we cannot tell whether certain scenes are dreams or not but because SO much of it was to show us what happened to Vivian. It just was not a well-done film, that's all there is to it.

People nowadays seem to reach for this type of plot twist in even the simplest of films where it is absolutely in no way implied and there is zero evidence to suggest it. WHich is exactly the case here.



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Claire has a split personality. Vivian represents that other personality, the crazy part that kills. That ii what I meant by saying that they are the same. And the movie makes sense for someone who appreaciates a master of the psycho-visual cinema like Jordan, Lynch, von Trier etc.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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So is Ruby a third personality? Because her role doesn't make any sense if she's with Claire the whole time, who occasionally slips into her Vivian personality. She shouldn't be having conversations explaining things about Vivian to Claire if Claire has been there the whole time as Vivian.

Did she build the Vivian personality on a real guy with a real history of psychological problems? If not, the scenes with the doctor researching Vivian were just nonsense. There's no way her split personality could have the entire history of a real person if there's no supernatural element.

There's just so much of the movie that doesn't make sense at all if it's just a woman with a split personality.

Hell, it'd make more sense if she died when she drove into the water and the rest of the movie was some crazy dying fantasy justifying her dreams. She needed there to be a psychically-linked killer that she ends up bringing to justice (and saving another girl he took) for her to die in peace after not doing enough in her eyes to act on her dreams and save her daughter.

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So is Ruby a third personality? Because her role doesn't make any sense if she's with Claire the whole time, who occasionally slips into her Vivian personality. She shouldn't be having conversations explaining things about Vivian to Claire if Claire has been there the whole time as Vivian.


She probably kidnaps Ruby to have a child. She is schizo so one part doesn't know the other exists.

Did she build the Vivian personality on a real guy with a real history of psychological problems? If not, the scenes with the doctor researching Vivian were just nonsense. There's no way her split personality could have the entire history of a real person if there's no supernatural element.


Probably on a real guy. There were other murders in the area. And that triggered her id.

But it's not so important. A lot of the movie may just be her own imaginations / crazy thoughts. It's seen from the POV of a woman going crazy so don't expect reason in all scenes. So, that's the supernatural element.

The reason Claire identifies with Vivian to the level of a split personality is because she feels responsible for Rebecca's death. She feels she murdered her. Vivian represents her murderous self. Note that Claire become more and more like a man until the final setencing scene where the transformation is complete. And how could Ruby both run away from the apple factory and swim towards Claire in the reunion in death scene at the end?



"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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You are taking that quote from out of context. What he means was that the American (read) audience are turned off by the child dying midfilm. And that's a thing that can't be solved, because Claire has to develope her split personality from the death of her daughter. And it's that split which Vivian represents and which gives the film - imo - it's shine.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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Claire dreamed about Vivian, and he talked to her in her dreams ["you are dreaming about me"] before Rebecca dies.

Claire and Vivian are both real.

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I do not think this had anything to do about split personalities. Movies that involve split personalities are like Psycho. This woman had a family a life her family would of picked that up and sent to the shrink way before her daughter was killed. Vivian had been killing people before he killed her daughter also.

The same person how can that be she had a daughter and a husband. Unless back in 1999 gay couples could marry and adopt children how could that be. I think people should just look at a movie and take it for what it is. This film maker is pretty straight forward, unless you count the Crying game but even in that movie you knew soon she was a he.
I just think she was connected to him by his dreams. This was not the first person she had picked up dreams with. The difference is that he could do the same thing. And that is why he was dealing with her.

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Except Hitchcock is showing the spilt from our POV where Jordan is showing it from the insane person's POV (partially). That's why so many people were lost/turned off. And it's one of the most difficult things in filmmaking. Robert Wise did it in the Haunting. And Corman in Tomb of Ligeia. And if you read Corman's biography he explains how difficult it was keeping track of when to present Rowena and when to present Ligeia. They were also, internally in Verden's mind, one and the same physical person but granted a dual or split soul by Verden.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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