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How much do black ppl have to do 4 whites? Geez.....


He still gets kills in the end. The good ole' American way. Great story but Spike Lee's "magic negro" comment was right on. Still a huge Steven King fan. I wonder what Steven thought of Spike Lee's comment. Would he agree? Was he attempting to show how blacks have suffered under unfair justice system etc. Can one imagine the tally of AA lives lost in this country since slavery inception. Talk about a holocaust. It hurts us all, in the end, sad really. I guess I just wish we were all better people. I'm all over the place; I know.....but I tell my kids in 350 years none of this will matter anymore anyway. Dr. King's dream will finally come true, if there's an earth left that is. We are one.

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Dr. Kings dream will come true when folks like Spike Lee and Barack Obama stop trying to convince us of our victimhood. They do NOT speak for all of us.

You are too young to have been involved in slavery, but if you've done any wrong to someone of any color, make restitution. Otherwise, the guilt is not yours to suffer. We don't need it.



Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum. Is very bad.

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I would suggest that "portion" of Dr. Martin Luther King's dream came true with the election of Barack Obama. Again, to me Spike Lee's perspective was spot-on (please read his comments, if you haven't). I'm not claiming victimhood from AA's. What I have observed is unfairness and if you are unable to see that in the judicial system for example read Michelle's Alexander book "The New Jim Crow" and it will explain it clearly. I never said one person can ever speak for one group or for even another. You disagree, it is your right. You have no idea of my age but regardless your point is well taken however very uneducated. The legacy of slavery is still very much embedded into every fabric of our society today. I would advise you to educate yourself: take a "good" African-Americans studies course at your local college. Finally, they were my ancestors who suffered. That is my history. It's not me but I would be ignorant to not understand the debt owned to their deaths. If I don't grieve for them ~ who will? Thank you for your reply.


WE ARE ONE.

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....very uneducated


Cheap shot. How can my view be "uneducated" when I'm a black man living in a predominately white America? Or have you assumed that a black man can't live a life of self determination?

What I have observed is unfairness and if you are unable to see that in the judicial system for example read Michelle's Alexander book "The New Jim Crow" and it will explain it clearly.


The racism I've experienced in my lifetime is nothing compared to what my parents and grandparents experienced. Other than the regression at the hands of our first black president, I assume things will continue to improve now that he's leaving. I don't need a book to suddenly convince me that I'm some sort of a victim. I'm quite happy with my life thank you. If you want to cite specific passages from any book I'll be happy to give my opinion on it if you're really interested, but I don't intend to subject myself to hours of reading agony over an internet discussion. I watch CNN, MSNBC etc. to get alternative views, but nowadays that's the limit of my exposure to liberalism. At my age, I don't expect I'll change much.

My exposure to the judicial system is limited to traffic court, where I'm about 50/50. As good odds as any I guess. I've avoided more serious forays by not doing drugs, not stealing, not drinking and driving, not shoplifting etc. Good advice for young folks of any color..

Since you like to read, I suggest reading the works of Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams etc. to get a view on the black perspective from people who made their way despite racism. These self made people didn't use victimhood as a built in excuse, and neither will I. My father beat that lesson into me (literally at times). Hopefully, my sons will follow my path (and they have so far).

I would advise you to educate yourself: take a "good" African-Americans studies course at your local college.


To what end? Again, do I need a liberal/socialist/anti-American institution to try to teach *me* about African-American studies? I've read Goebbels writings and essays and know all about propaganda. Besides, I have a MSEE and I'm retired; I've done all the schooling I intend to do.



Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum. Is very bad.

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There are many people who are ignorant of their own histories. I have assumed nothing. I have theorized from your replies a perspective. If you feel slighted by our president perhaps you should look within. I wanted nothing from him nor his predecessor, neither did any colleagues and/or working professionals. If you had taken the time to read the book you would have found, not a book of victimization but one of empirical documented facts. You can have both. The knowledge that AA's have been victimized by a system of racism created in this country off the legacy and holocaust of slavery and in the same breath have "self-determined." To me, black people have never struggled with self-determination. They are probably the most resilient people on the planet. Finally, it was never a cheap shot. I am totally uneducated of Irish literature. That's a fact, I can acknowledge easily. However, hearing your weaknesses is never easy. You wish your well on your journey.


We are one.

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Stephen King is the master of the Super-Duper Magical Negro...without him whitesplaining why, who's to say?
White guilt?
Liberal elite superiority complex?

Here are what I call the Five Points of the Magical Negro; the five most common attributes:

He or she is a person of color, typically black, often Native American, in a story about predominantly white characters.
He or she seems to have nothing better to do than help the white protagonist, who is often a stranger to the Magical Negro at first.
He or she disappears, dies, or sacrifices something of great value after or while helping the white protagonist.
He or she is uneducated, mentally handicapped, at a low position in life, or all of the above.
He or she is wise, patient, and spiritually in touch. Closer to the earth, one might say. He or she often literally has magical powers.

The archetype of the Magical Negro is an issue of race. It is the subordination of a minority figure masked as the empowerment of one. The Magical Negro has great power and wisdom, yet he or she only uses it to help the white main character; he or she is not threatening because he or she only seeks to help, never hurt. The white main character's well-being comes before the Magical Negro's because the main character is of more value, more importance.

The Magical Negro is like the happy slave, glad to sacrifice himself, his happiness, his time, something of value to him, in order to help the white character. And at end of the story, many audiences often end up quietly wondering, "Well, why'd she do that?" That is, if they remember the character at all.

The Green Mile, The Talisman, The Stand, and The Shining—these great novels harbor his most popular Magical Negroes. The summaries of these characters speak for themselves as to why they're Magical Negroes. It becomes most apparent when the Five Points of the Magical Negro are applied to each character.

In The Shining, Dick Hallorann is the cook at the Overlook Hotel in Colorado. Hallorann takes an instant liking to Danny, the five-year-old son of Wendy and Jack Torrance, because little Danny also has what Hallorann calls The Shine (psychic powers). The family is staying at the Overlook Hotel for the winter as caretakers. The hotel has a history of bad things happening there, including the case of Delbert Grady, a previous winter caretaker who suffered from cabin fever and ended up killing his family before committing suicide. When the evil ghosts of the hotel drive Danny's father mad, Danny psychically calls Hallorann for help. Hallorann leaves Florida immediately. After he fights his way into the Hotel (he has to fight animals made of possessed shrubbery), he's knocked unconscious by the deranged father. In the film, Hallorann is even more strongly portrayed as the Magical Negro when he is brutally murdered when he enters the hotel to save Danny.

In the epic novel The Stand Mother Abigail is powerfully religious and magical. A 108-year-old black woman full of patience, kindness, and wisdom, she is the force that pulls all the members of what Tolkien would have called "the White" (the "Good") to her home in Nebraska after a super-flu kills off 99.44 percent of the world's population. Mother Abigail gives her guidance, wisdom, and advice to the chosen group of travelers (comprised of the protagonists of the story), and then she dies.

In The Talisman, in order to save his dying mother and the world, twelve-year-old Jack Sawyer must find the talisman, the nexus of all the worlds masked as a crystal-like globe perhaps three feet in circumference. It is Speedy Parker, a mysterious, kindly old guitar-playing black man working at an amusement park, who convinces Sawyer to embark on his quest. It is also Speedy, whom Sawyer meets again on his way from one ocean to the next, who tells Sawyer about the "magic juice," which helps Sawyer "flip" from our world to a parallel one known as the Territories. Though King cowrote The Talisman with Straub, I strongly believe that it was King who came up with Speedy. Call it assumption from past observation.

In The Green Mile, John Coffey is a new prisoner sentenced to death for raping and murdering two young girls. A very big, tall, child-like black man, he possesses enormous psychic powers. And he's also innocent. As the story moves along, Coffey breathes life into Mr. Jingles the mouse, cures main character Paul Edgecombe (who is in charge of death row) of his bladder infection, cures the warden's wife of her brain cancer, and performs other miracles. Nevertheless, in the end, Coffey, tired of suffering from the heightened awareness of the world's evils and too aware of his lowly position as a poor black man, asks to go through with the execution.

All four characters are African-American. All four are harmless.

Excerpts from an article from a self-described, 'educated African American women'...lest you or any others have righteous indignation for what she has written. http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/stephen-kings-super-duper-magical-negroes/




Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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Perhaps Jesus was the original ?

I for one cried when he revived Mr. Jingles.

I'm sorry baby, I had to crash that Honda.

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Brilliant. Thank you sooooooooo much!

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