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Mistakes galore? [NB: possible spoilers]


Having just watched this film, it seemed to me that it was replete with errors of a historical or technical variety. Perhaps some other IMDB user can comment, with a degree of knowledge, on these possible mistakes.

-- The Judaic prayers uttered by Rosina/Mary and other characters seem to be pastiches of genuine prayers. For example, the Shema, a very well known prayer, seems to be rendered into something other than its original form. Many of the Jewish elements of the film seemed less than fully accurate to me, in fact.

-- Late in the movie, when Rosina takes her self-portrait, she is wearing a Star of David pendant on a necklace. Would that have been common in the early 19th century? (both from a fashion point of view and a Judaic iconographic point of view)
Based on Gershom Scholem's essay "The Star of David: History of a Symbol," I thought that the Star of David was universally accepted as a Jewish symbol only in the late 19th century. Before that, the image of a menorah or the lions of Judah were more common. While many Jewish communities in eastern Europe had used the Star of David as a communal symbol, Rosina's family was Sephardic (Spanish) not Ashkenazi (eastern European).

-- In the final scene, Rosina takes a photo of Charles Cavendish, but Cavendish's head moves while the plate is being exposed. Rosina asked him to be still for a minute, and he moved slightly. However, when we see the photograph print (at the very end of the movie), it is perfectly clear. If Charles had moved during the exposure of a daguerreotype or early photograph, wouldn't it be blurry?

-- Are the clothes accurate for the time period? It seems that the clothes worn on the Isle of Skye were more Hollywood interpretation of the early 19th century than actual Regency fashion, but I could be mistaken. Fashion history isn't my field. (I am comparing the clothes to what I saw on the PBS series "Regency House.)

If you are qualified to comment on the above queries, please do so.

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I don't know how qualified I am, but I do know something about fashion history, and I was a bit weirded out by all the leather Minnie Driver wore. Even in colder climes, I don't think dresses and coats of black leather were common apparel for women in the mid 19th century. It distractingly made some of the scenes look like a music-video take on the time period.

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My grandmother said it was something called 'oil cloth' that she was wearing instead of rain gear they used that before plastics were invented. The hats were historically accurate.

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Thanks to the fashionistas out there for comments on the clothes.

What about the Judaic elements of the film and the representations of early 19th-century science? Any ideas?

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>Hollywood interpretation of the early 19th century than actual Regency fashion,

Another note about the fashion, this was not set in the times we call 'Regency' but it is early Victorian, as such, the clothes worn in both London and Scotland are accurate. I did find Rosinas wet weather uniform a bit distracting (I have never seen an example of that before and I know a fair bit about Victorian clothing) but otherwise the costumes and the hairstyles were spot on.

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Yeah, but I thought she showed a lot of skin. As a governess, her working dress during the day would have been a lot more modest--especially if she was following the Jewish laws of modesty. In other words--nothing see-through and skintight.

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I think Minnie Driver looked fantastic in her Victorian leather costumes. My girlfriend thought so to so she made exact copies of them from black leather (she's a seamstress) of her dress and raincoat. You would have thought that they were the ones worn by Minnie herself they are that accurate and good. She wears them to fancy dress parties and around the house when we don't have visitors as she's really into that period.

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Yes, please more on the Judaica!
The sephardic songs in the movies are quite good: I recognised at least two through the spanish words: "Adio mi vida" one of them. That's the movie thing I love best, other... are too freudian for me ;)

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Adio mi vida sounded an awful lot like an aria from La Traviata (Verdi) sung by Violetta - 2nd Act, I think. And the German song was Schubert, I think.

George... don't do that!

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At the time clothing of the gentile and clothing of the jewish faith were not the same. They reflect the cultuer diffreances.

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No she pretty much used the same one throughout the movie as it's made of leather it would last, be rugged and durable. On the set Minnie Driver would have had several leather dresses as they would start to smell if worn day in and day out while filmimg. I wonder what Minnie's surprise was when she saw her wardrobe and thought "I've got to wear these for the entire movie"? My girldriend said that she heard that Minnie was very happy to wear the costumes. I wonder if they are for sale or if Minnie got to keep her leather wardrobe.

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You'd have to move around a lot for it to make a serious impact on a Dageurreotype or Calotype. It isn't like today's long exposures where movement equates blur, the silver compounds and plates used in early photography weren't as sensitive as contemporary film and digital. So, that's fine.

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As far as the Jewish prayers in the film, they are fully authentic, except for one thing (not an error, but a deliberate substitution). Any time the Judaic appelation to the name of God would be used in genuine prayer ("Adonai Eloheinu" - the Lord our God), the movie uses "Ado-Shem Elokeinu". This is done to avoid upsetting the more traditionally observant Jews, who do not approve of uttering any name of God outside of actual prayer. It is a common practice to make such substitutions in films, stage productions and other forms of "play-acting".

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"The Judaic prayers uttered by Rosina/Mary and other characters seem to be pastiches of genuine prayers. For example, the Shema, a very well known prayer, seems to be rendered into something other than its original form."

No idea why you say this, and you offer no evidence. The one time I heard Driver say it, the Sh'ma sounded like the Sh'ma

http://www.amazon.com/Save-Send-Delete-Danusha-Goska/dp/1846949866

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The prayers were accurate. No idea about the Star of David. I do know that my great-great-great grandfather (who lived in the mid to late 1800s) had a charm bracelet that I believe had a Star of David charm on it.

As far as the clothing is concerned, it is accurate to the early victorian period in which it is set. The leather items are, in my opinion, NOT leather. The coat was clearly a rain slicker of some kind. And the dress I think everyone is referring to, looks to me like black satin.

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THE GOVERNESS (1998) - ROSINA DA SILVER'S BLACK DRESS - PLAYED BY MINNIE DRIVER
Custom made black full length linen type dress, featuring fitted bodice with long off the shoulder sleeves, and full skirt, 26 inch waist and 36 inch bust.
Note: This lot was purchased by the vendor from the Bonhams 'Angels Star Collection of Film & TV Costumes' sale on 6th March 2007

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