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Chappaquiddick, Manson Murders?


Both also occurred during that very eventful summer of 1969, but I don't recall them being mentioned in the movie. Or were they? It's been a couple years since I saw this.

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I just watched the movie last night with CC on as I always do.

No mention of Chappaquiddick or the Manson murders. C. occurred July 18, 1969 and Sharon Tate was murdered Aug. 9th. The first moon landing was July 20th - and Woodstock was held Aug. 15th-18th. (Yeah - just checked wikipedia ;-)

The world was a lot less connected back then, of course, and with only a few broadcast TV stations and no Rush Limbaugh type news/talk shows. I was only 21 in 1969 and cannot remember if those were heavy news items or not - and I don't think I even WATCHED or listened to news much anyway back then. Of course these characters were all older (30's) and more serious than I was then, probably.

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I think it should have been mentioned. Here's TIME Magazine's cover for July 25, 1969 (meaning it was published July 21--it was always four days earlier than the date listed on the cover):

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601690725,00.html

"MAN ON THE MOON" is the headline, appropriately enough (and the previous week's cover had also been in anticipation of the moon landing). But now check out the cover for the very next issue (which came out July 28):

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601690801,00.html

The word "Chappaquiddick" is not there, but it's a closeup of "EDWARD KENNEDY AFTER FUNERAL", along with an extra banner across the corner saying "THE KENNEDY DEBACLE: A GIRL DEAD, A CAREER IN JEOPARDY". So that's pretty big news, when you're the first thing to take over TIME's cover after the moon landing.

Same deal for Newsweek (and it's the relatively rare, huge story that would be on both covers the same week). They actually go with the moon, then Kennedy ("Should I Resign?"), then back to the moon:

http://backissues.com/publications/Newsweek-1969/28?sortBy=codeAsc

Subsequent weeks, though, show no sign of the Sharon Tate murder on either magazine's cover, although they may have been on inside pages. But still, I'll give them a pass on that. Chappaquiddick should have been mentioned, though.

Ironic too, that older brother Jack had started the ball rolling with his ringing declaration eight years earlier: "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth." And then, right smack in the middle of Apollo 11's four-day trip to the moon, Teddy drives into the drink with Mary Jo Kopeckne. Crazy.

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Interesting points and I don't disagree that maybe the writers SHOULD (for the sake of historical accuracy) have mentioned these two events.

OTOH - that whole Chappaquiddick event might have sounded a warning bell to the potential dangers of "screwing around" to any rational married woman - like Pearl was presented initially.

Ted Kennedy was indeed married then, it was Mary Jo that wasn't.

But Pearl turned out not to be so rational, after all - anyway.

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I was 15 in 1969 and was acutely aware of Manson, Chappaquidic and the moon landing. Newspapers and TV were saturated with these stories. Plus we had radios lol

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I understand why you would say that, but it seems off base to me to take a story so strongly oriented in a very specific time period, and pay attention to two of the major events of that period but leave out at least one other (the jury's still out as to how major the killings would have been outside of the L.A. area before the Manson gang was discovered).

It would be nice if that crappy story didn't land like a turd in the middle of two "feel-good" stories; but that is as true in real life as on screen.

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Sorry my posts are so long. I was alive during these incidents, so I thought my memories of the events might be of interest to some folks.

My memory is that the Manson murders did not make a huge impact on the entire US until the perps were captured. This did not occur until November-December 1969 well after the Woodstock festival. People on the East Coast may have been freaked out that Sharon Tate was brutally murdered, but it was just another murder initially. There was no knowledge of a cult, or any real connection to the LaBianca murders of the following day. All this came to light months later.

When the murders were initially reported, news media spun the crimes as most likely the result of the "lifestyle" of the victims. Media jumped to the conclusion these crimes were the result of a drug deal gone awry or some kind of hippie orgy. This is why Roman Polanski was so enraged, not only by the horrific murder of his wife and son, but because his wife and friends' reputations were smeared and dragged thru the mud while the police looked for the killers. After the truth was discovered, little was done to restore Sharon's reputation -- she did NOT use drugs at all. In fact, Roman and Sharon were the farthest people from "hippies" imaginable. They were very wealthy, drove extremely expensive cars, wore fancy clothes & jewelry, lived in Benedict Canyon and consorted with the rich. Abigail Folger was an uberweathy heiress. The only thing these people had in common with the hippie movement was they smoked weed & listened to the Jefferson Airplane. The similarity stops there.

In short, to me it makes sense that Patricia Gray chose not to include any reference to the Manson family in her screenplay.

As for Chappaquiddick, that's more problematic. Again though, when initially reported, it was spun as a terrible car accident. It was months later after intense investigation that it was determined that Teddy Kennedy had run from the scene of the accident, and that Mary Jo Kopechne may have survived if Teddy had dove in the water and tried to get her out of the car, rather than run.

So again, at the time of the accident, July 18, 1969, I don't know if Chappaquiddick had been clarified as the historical scandal it actually was. After all, Teddy was the next logical Kennedy to run for President. After Chappaquiddick, he could never run for President. It always astonished me that he still remained in politics after that terrible tragedy. Shows you the power of the Kennedy brand.

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It was months later after intense investigation that it was determined that Teddy Kennedy had run from the scene of the accident


It's interesting to hear your perspective, but I think you may be a little hazy on the timeline. The cover of TIME Magazine dated Aug. 1, 1969 has Kennedy on it and a banner reading "The Kennedy Debacle: A Girl Dead, A Career In Jeopardy".

On July 25, Kennedy had pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury, and the judge sentenced him to two months' incarceration (the minimum) and suspended it.

And Kennedy gave a speech that evening, July 25, that was carried live by all the networks (I can't remember if the characters in this movie had their TV fixed at that point?) in which he said there was "no truth whatever to the widely circulated suspicions of immoral conduct", and "I regard as indefensible that fact that I did not report the accident to the police immediately".

Also, he did run for president: abortively in '74, and then all the way through the primaries in '80, losing to the incumbent Carter.

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When you're on vacation, you often don't worry about the news. Manson murders were considered a California thing. Chappaquiddick...well, I lived in Massachusetts in those days and it was HUGE news...Not clear how big news it was to people in another state. But the moon landing was a big deal everywhere that July.

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Yeah, I'm willing to concede the Manson murders (which weren't yet known to be Manson). But Chappaquiddick knocked the moon landing off the cover of TIME for a week (then they went back to it the next week). And Teddy's speech was on prime time TV, all three networks.

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Why would they be mentioned? This wasn't a historical documentary of the year '69. People on the "Mad Men" board would comment about what wasn't featured in the show (set to have taken place from '60-'70. The show wasn't about historical events during this time period.). Walk on the Moon was about Pearle - a character study; many housewives were restless during that time because America was changing; they didn't have many choices but to become housewives, secretaries or teachers; that was changing and some felt they were missing out on the "Summer of Love" - Mad Men was a character study of the protagonist, Don Draper, not a blow by blow of what happened in America during this period of time in history.

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