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Derek was kinda right about some things

posted 8 years ago by MikeHunt153
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I was considering trying to word this post sensitively so I don't sound racist, but then I realised what's the point of trying to pander to SJWs? They'll be triggered no matter what. I'm in no way racist, but I don't care if you don't believe me.

It seems like a huge amount of black people in Derek's town were racist, violent thugs. I'm sure not all of them were, I don't know what percentage were, but it seems like huge number were. Of course Derek was wrong to hate every single black person in the world, but he was right about how the black people in his town were posing a threat. For this reason, I don't think this movie gets its anti-racist message across very well. It seems like it's saying black people are bad, but there's no point wasting your time on them.

And illegal immigration is bad. I know it's very difficult to get into America, but illegal immigration can cause problems. There's nothing wrong with legal immigration. And Derek was completely right to be pissed off about the immigrants buying the store and firing the American employees just to hire other immigrants. That's incredibly racist and illegal. Of course he shouldn't have raided the store, but he had every right to be pissed.

And of course Derek shouldn't have curb stomped that guy, but to be honest, I have no sympathy for him. Him and his gang tried to kill Derek and his family and stole his truck, which was the last thing Derek's father gave him. I'd find it difficult to not murder him.

I don't really know much about the Rodney King case. I do think the police used excessive force, but I don't think Rodney King should be considered blameless. He drove while high and attacked the police officers. They had every right to defend themselves, but they did go too far. And I do think Rodney King should've been charged and convicted for driving under the influence of drugs and assault. Regardless of what the police did, he still broke the law.

And he had every right to be angry about his father being murdered, that's obvious.

And affirmative action is bad. It's basically legalised discrimination.

If Derek wasn't a racist, violent thug, he would've actually been a smart guy.

[–] TompaDompa 8 years ago

I propose an alternative view: that Derek being, in your words, "kinda right about some things" in fact enhances the anti-racism message, rather than detracting from it.

My reasoning is as follows: If Derek's arguments hadn't been brought up at all, racists would've perceived the movie as one-sided and biased against them ("way to not even address any of our actual issues"). If they had been countered, even people who think Derek's entirely wrong about everything would've thought the movie was heavy-handed. Only by letting him speak his mind and showing that the accuracy and validity of his statements is beside the point of why racism is wrong can you get the message across in a way that brings both sides closer to understanding each other. Otherwise, you're just preaching to the choir, which is pointless.

Doing it this way makes it easier to understand why people, even intelligent people, are drawn to these ideologies. You pointed out that "If Derek wasn't a racist, violent thug, he would've actually been a smart guy." And that's the tragedy of it. Racism is very appealing not only to the ignorant, but to the intelligent as well. As Michael Shermer put it: "Smart people are very good at rationalizing things they came to believe for non-smart reasons." Derek believes his position to be unassailable; nobody is able to counter the specific points he makes about black people to his satisfaction, so he concludes that his general attitude towards black people is justified.

It also gives the people who share Derek's viewpoints the opportunity to spot his mistake: what is flawed is not the data, but his interpretation of it. "Of course Derek was wrong to hate every single black person in the world". That's intuitively obvious to you and me, but not too Derek. In his mind, his factual basis is correct, therefore his views on black people are justified, and therefore acting according to them is the right thing to do. I'd argue that even the first "therefore" is wrong, but even if I were to accept that step, the next one does not follow as a logical necessity. Consider what Sweeney regarded as the right question: "Has anything you've done made your life better?" That's putting Derek's actions, not his beliefs, into question.

This approach, of course, runs the risk of being interpreted as sending mixed messages. You say "It seems like it's saying black people are bad, but there's no point wasting your time on them." I think the intended message is more along the lines of "Racism can make perfect sense to you personally, but there's no point wasting your time on it (because it's destructive)."

Don't listen to the negative ones; their arguments are irrational.

[–] bouncybenn 8 years ago

Fantastic response! Honestly, this film's forums are quite scary.

[–] sickstorm16 8 years ago

you have to live dereks life mine too we grew up in black areas being the only white guy in school for years you become the target of racism it sucks tbh n a country like usa you cant speak your mind about other races or your labeled a racist

[–] joemdec35 8 years ago

They never really made it a point to show that Derek's thinking was wrong, just that constantly being pissed off about it was a waste of a life.

[–] MovieMaster95 8 years ago

So the message is to sit back and do nothing as your country goes to sh!t. Well I can see now why so many libtards like this film then. Derek was right about everything and while yes, his skinhead group weren't going to do much in the long run, it's better than just ignoring it and allowing the problem to get worse.

"Brother, life's a bitch...and she's back in heat."

[–] thunderztorm 8 years ago

If your country's going to *beep* it's because of people like you..

[–] MovieMaster95 8 years ago

Explain.

"Brother, life's a bitch...and she's back in heat."

[–] thunderztorm 7 years ago

You're defending neo-nazis, saying that you'd want more of them, and preferably in positions of power.

Last time nazis had power, take a look at what happened to their country, and the world.

There are no "good" nazis.

[–] MovieMaster95 7 years ago

Sounds like you don't know much about the National Socialists if you don't know of all the good they brought to Germany, including bringing them out of the great depression, advancing their technology and making crime and unemployment almost non-existent. Agree with them or not, there's a reason why the German people worshipped Hitler like a God.

And even if I were to believe all the lies and exaggerated claims directed at the National Socialists, I still wouldn't go as far to say "There are no "good" nazis". That statement just sounds like you've watched one too many holocaust movies and think all the Germans were bloodthirsty animals with no remorse. I could easily say, "There are no "good" Americans" because they nuked two civilian Japanese cities during the war.

"Brother, life's a bitch...and she's back in heat."

[–] TompaDompa 7 years ago

There are no "good" nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler

Don't listen to the negative ones; their arguments are irrational.

[–] Just_the_facts 7 years ago

"Derek was right about everything and while yes, his skinhead group weren't going to do much in the long run, it's better than just ignoring it and allowing the problem to get worse."

You think attacking innocent people in a grocery store because they don't hire enough white people is better than doing nothing?

What I like about his movie is that it really brings out the racism in people who otherwise believe they are not racist.

[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 4 years ago

Fast Foward to 2020 and im sure Just_the_facts here is celebrating the burning down of cities and calling the Proud Boys a White Supremacy group for taking a stand.

[–] Luke_was_a_terrorist 7 years ago

There's a large gap between "sit back and do nothing" and committing felonies because you feel superior to another race....

Youre arguement is basically, "Well they're doing illegal things so it's fine to do illegal things to them."

I think you're the opposite of paranoid, I think you walk around with the delusion people like you.

[–] David12222 8 years ago

1. There's a problem with what you said. There are other white guys who grew up in black areas who don't have your family experience. In fact, those people have lived in black neighborhoods their who lives and made a lot of friends with the residents. You must have been giving off some kind of signal that you had some bias in your heart. Blacks and other minorities can pick up real quick if white people are hiding private cases of racism.

2. Have you ever thought about how blacks feel in white neighborhoods? Having the police called on them for just walking the street? Often having to deal with insensitive racial remarks?

It goes both ways

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

You must have been giving off some kind of signal that you had some bias in your heart. Blacks and other minorities can pick up real quick if white people are hiding private cases of racism.

I'm gonna shut this statement down right here as completely inaccurate. Regardless of how you "perceive" someone, to antagonize them based upon your perceptions of their thoughts, beliefs and mannerisms is wrong. Full stop.

The type of Black people that that person was talking about aren't Black people, they're n-ggas. Period. That's the type of Black person who just gets a thrill over being ignorant and abusive toward others. Hell, I got ridiculed for having fair skin and "talking White" by my own people in my youth. "White boy," "high yella," all of that came from my own damn people. So that just goes to show you that it has nothing to do with what you're doing, and everything to do with how the ignorant choose to interact with you based upon preconceived notions about who you are as a person.

2. Have you ever thought about how blacks feel in white neighborhoods? Having the police called on them for just walking the street?

Lol! No one I know, or myself, has ever had a problem walking through "white neighborhoods" and being harassed by the police. I have, however, had way too many friends and loved ones taken from this world at the hands of...yep you guessed it...my own, damn, people. There are some serious problems going on in the Black community and let me tell you, in reality, the police is the least of them. Please turn off CNN.

Bottom line, the type of Blacks that were portrayed in the film were the type of Blacks that even most BLACK people can't stand (i.e. n-ggas). They're ignorant, destructive and a cancer in our communities. They steal from us. They kill us. And they perpetuate stereotypes.

Perfect example; My mother walked out onto her front porch one night only to see someone (a n-gga of course) trying to steal her car. When he saw her, he pulled out his gun and shot at her 3 times as he ran away, 1 bullet just barely missing her head (it hit the window and went into the house where my 8 year old little brother was inside, thankfully nowhere near the window). That was the last straw. I couldn't WAIT to move outta the hood and away from that bullsh-t.

TL;DR: N-ggas need to get their sh-t together.

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

I'm gonna shut this statement down right here as completely inaccurate. Regardless of how you "perceive" someone, to antagonize them based upon your perceptions of their thoughts, beliefs and mannerisms is wrong. Full stop.

The type of Black people that that person was talking about aren't Black people, they're n-ggas. Period. That's the type of Black person who just gets a thrill over being ignorant and abusive toward others. Hell, I got ridiculed for having fair skin and "talking White" by my own people in my youth. "White boy," "high yella," all of that came from my own damn people. So that just goes to show you that it has nothing to do with what you're doing, and everything to do with how the ignorant choose to interact with you based upon preconceived notions about who you are as a person

.

1. Sorry, but don't ever use that word around me. And if you're going to say "well I'm talking that way because them *beep* use it too, I don't agree with them using that word either. Its offensive and was coined by racists to abuse blacks.

2. I can sympathize with you there. My mom spoke of similar conditions in Washington DC. The problem is, you just flat out ignored the fact that almost all those racial attitudes by blacks emerged as a push back against racism perpetuated by whites for over a 100 years. What does that mean? And in many forms, that oppression is still on-going. How do you think the most black street gangs and criminals were created from? Let me advise you, read up a bit more on history because I can promise you, its not a pretty picture. I'm a person who believes that the past directly shapes and molds the present. People who learn biases and crimes from their parents/guardian figures and grand-parents often repeat history.

I'm not in denial that black neighborhoods don't have problems. I've also seen some it first hand. But I'm also not stupid enough to jump on the band-wagon of racists and white supremacists who always chant "look at the blacks acting up", but deliberately refuse to credit for the facts they have in the past, also in the present, created those Very conditions they're ranting and raving about. Talk about denial! Its always the same!

I have a cousin even now who can't get a decent job because he has a record. Thing is, he was never convicted for any crime and only has a record because he refused to go to court! I just hope he doesn't get discouraged and get added to the long register of young black men who eventually turn to crime because they're mistreated by the system. You need to start thinking on these things. The man who fired at your mother is more likely another member of the club of young black men from broken homes and incarcerated black family who turn to crime to achieve his goals.

3.

Lol! No one I know, or myself, has ever had a problem walking through "white neighborhoods" and being harassed by the police. I have, however, had way too many friends and loved ones taken from this world at the hands of...yep you guessed it...my own, damn, people. There are some serious problems going on in the Black community and let me tell you, in reality, the police is the least of them. Please turn off CNN.

Bottom line, the type of Blacks that were portrayed in the film were the type of Blacks that even most BLACK people can't stand (i.e. n-ggas). They're ignorant, destructive and a cancer in our communities. They steal from us. They kill us. And they perpetuate stereotypes.

Perfect example; My mother walked out onto her front porch one night only to see someone (a n-gga of course) trying to steal her car. When he saw her, he pulled out his gun and shot at her 3 times as he ran away, 1 bullet just barely missing her head (it hit the window and went into the house where my 8 year old little brother was inside, thankfully nowhere near the window). That was the last straw. I couldn't WAIT to move outta the hood and away from that bullsh-t.

TL;DR: N-ggas need to get their sh-t together.

That shows your short-sighted views. Because now you're calling all the thousands of blacks who have had the experience of being profiled in stores, white neighborhoods, parks, and other public places liars. "Oh I never went through that", guess what, I've never been yet profiled either by a law enforcement officer but my older brother was. I'm yellow, tan myself. Both me and my 6 siblings were all raised deep in the country, away from the cities. And in the country, you see a whole lot of racism. So, do I say "there's no racial profiling because I've never experience it myself", when my brother was profiled? Perfect example: My brother was told by a police officer to leave the county/state because "his kind wasn't wanted". You're the most ignorant black person I've seen!

So, you can't stand CNN. Fine, I can't stand them either after they (and other news outlets) gave unfiltered air time to the molester-in-chief, causing him to get in the WH. On the other hand, I can't stand the racist network Fox News, which you undoubtedly soak in.

You're the very definition of why blacks started using the word Uncle Tom.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

This is a perfect example of a slave mentality right here. If you choose to remain on the plantation and continue pointing fingers at outside groups for the overall state of a community that has been on a steady decline into a state of perpetual self-destruction since the LBJ administration, then be my guest.

Meanwhile I, and many others fed up in the Black community, will choose to acknowledge the damage that slavery did (see: The Willie Lynch Letter), and take into account that we are still on the plantation the more we continue in this state of perpetual self-destruction. Racist Whites WANT us to continue in this state, and for the record, the Whites I'm referring to are the liberal democrats who enable this slave mentality and discourage self-sufficiency, personal responsibility, and glaze over blatant examples of self-hate (see: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VYX8XG/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1).

I'm tired of talking about this now. You can sit up here and get all sensitive because I abrasively spouted off a dose of the harsh reality that we are responsible for the grand majority of the problems in the Black community, I don't really give a damn. You can be mad if you want to. It doesn't change the fact that everything I said was 100% true.

And I will continue to use the word n-gga to draw a clear distinction between the decent, hardworking Blacks from the cancers that plague our community. I'm not concerned with whether or not it bothers you, quite frankly. I used it in a negative context for a reason.

I'll let these wrap up my sentiments on the rest of your "grievances" in this post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDAn_yxAyHU

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

Wow. I'm fed up too. I hope you one day come to understand that by your "inventing a plantation", you might just find yourself on one if you continue to stick around your racist, conservative friends. Please take warning, they don't really like you and most are direct Republican switch-overs from the old, democratic South. Not that I am singling out all republicans, but many now are die-hard racists in heart.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

N-gga you don't know a thing about me or who I choose to associate with, so you can go on somewhere with that bullsh-t.

Also, you do realize that in your initial post, you basically blamed someone for being victimized based upon the color of their skin, right?

"Oh maybe you were giving off racist vibes. Black people are equipped with a specific radar that detects these things. Here's some anecdotal evidence of a few White people I know who had no problems in Black neighborhoods to prove it's your fault and your complaints are invalid."

I didn't really feel like going into you how you need to be when I read your first reply to me because you caught me in the middle of a Henny and chill session, and I wasn't here for all of that. But even now I STILL don't. But it has to be said:

You are part of the problem, sir. You want equality, but you excuse bad behavior in the Black community as reactionary to institutionalized racism. But when other races react to Blacks reacting, oh they're just racist? You don't see how that just fuels an eternal cycle of hate?

And for the record, if Blacks were really reacting to a racist system, then why the hell are we destroying each other? Rodney King LA riots, Detroit riots back in the 60s etc all happened in predominantly Black neighborhoods, and businesses owned by Blacks were destroyed as a result and never fully recovered.

Why don't we focus on patronizing Black businesses and instilling fiscal intelligence in the youth to further enrich the community? Why don't we hold education as a priority over material possessions? We're a materialistic culture that chooses to blame others for our shortcomings, and label anyone who addresses these issues and makes strides to improve them a "racist" or an "uncle Tom." Btw, you ain't sh-t for calling me that and daring to assume I associate with individuals who seek to do my people harm and see us fail by making sure we remain dependent and under-educated.

You, sir, are a hypocrite and a disgrace to the Black community to even have the nerve and audacity to sit up here and call me an Uncle Tom for telling it like it is, right behind blaming someone who was bullied as being responsible for the bullying because well, Blacks would never antagonize a person for no reason and frankly White people have it coming. After all, we're victims and all of our vitriol is completely justified. F-ck White people, etc.

Shut yo dumbass up, and stop loading our brothers and sisters up on those mental slave ships with that poison you're preaching.

I am done here.

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

Find one thing in which I excused the bad behavior in black communities. I didn't. Not Once! I did however expound on the real and tragic causes of that behavior but your racist self didn't want to hear it.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

Find one thing in which I excused the bad behavior in black communities. I didn't. Not Once!

Alright.

sickstorm16 said: you have to live dereks life mine too we grew up in black areas being the only white guy in school for years you become the target of racism it sucks tbh n a country like usa you cant speak your mind about other races or your labeled a racist

Your stupid-ass reply:

There's a problem with what you said. There are other white guys who grew up in black areas who don't have your family experience. In fact, those people have lived in black neighborhoods their who lives and made a lot of friends with the residents. You must have been giving off some kind of signal that you had some bias in your heart. Blacks and other minorities can pick up real quick if white people are hiding private cases of racism.

2. Have you ever thought about how blacks feel in white neighborhoods? Having the police called on them for just walking the street? Often having to deal with insensitive racial remarks?

It goes both ways

Nïgga that don't sound like an excuse to you? 😒

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

There's a problem with what you said. There are other white guys who grew up in black areas who don't have your family experience. In fact, those people have lived in black neighborhoods their who lives and made a lot of friends with the residents. You must have been giving off some kind of signal that you had some bias in your heart. Blacks and other minorities can pick up real quick if white people are hiding private cases of racism.

2. Have you ever thought about how blacks feel in white neighborhoods? Having the police called on them for just walking the street? Often having to deal with insensitive racial remarks?

It goes both ways

Nïgga that don't sound like an excuse to you? 😒

Not so stupid when I've seen and heard about that. Sorry but I've seen the same thing around school too, to a lesser degree.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

There's a problem with what you said. There are other white guys who grew up in black areas who don't have your family experience. In fact, those people have lived in black neighborhoods their who lives and made a lot of friends with the residents. You must have been giving off some kind of signal that you had some bias in your heart. Blacks and other minorities can pick up real quick if white people are hiding private cases of racism.

2. Have you ever thought about how blacks feel in white neighborhoods? Having the police called on them for just walking the street? Often having to deal with insensitive racial remarks?

It goes both ways

Nïgga that don't sound like an excuse to you? 😒

Not so stupid when I've seen and heard about that. Sorry but I've seen the same thing around school too, to a lesser degree. So maybe you need to stop trying to lecture me when you can't see outside your on bubble of opinion.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

Okay. So...you're stupid. Got it.

Deuces, homie.

ETA:

And take this with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA

ETA:

Ooh, and this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSm1t3Uv9QI

Who killed Malcolm X? And why? Oh because he stopped spreading hate and being racist towards Whites? Hm.

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

Who killed Malcolm X? And why? Oh because he stopped spreading hate and being racist towards Whites? Hm.

Wow. If I were to jump on the other side of the coin and pull out the thousands of videos and other accounts of whites killing each other, you would still deflect, wouldn't you? Even if I did the same thing you're doing right now to blacks. Sorry, but I don't believe in doing that. I believe that all people are equal in God's eyes and to start discriminating or just searching for wrong to hop on in one race is being hateful. However, acknowledging racial wrongs is a different thing.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

I said "Deuces, homie."

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

You know who the true *beep* is? You. I don't use words like "homie, *beep* etc" all street jargon. No, so I suggest you get lost street boy. Like Now. You look like you're destined to round up on a plantation anyway considering how ignorant you sound but... I'm just tired of you.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

but... I'm just tired of you.

Lol, why are you still talking to me and why do you keep double posting? Your computer broke?

ETA:

I don't use words like "homie, *beep* etc" all street jargon. No, so I suggest you get lost street boy.

What can I say? I'm a victim of institutionalized racism and poverty and am reacting accordingly. You should really pity me. Dad bounced when mom was pregnant and left her to raise me by herself. I was destined to act this way and am not responsible for my actions at all.

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

What can I say? I'm a victim of institutionalized racism and poverty and am reacting accordingly. You should really pity me. Dad bounced when mom was pregnant and left her to raise me by herself. I was destined to act this way and am not responsible for my actions at all.

Don't try to be smart with me. You definitely still are a victim of institutionalized racism: your ignorant street talk and your slave-like-defense for the plantation way of life (a way of life in which there was always a sucker ready ready to beat and betray his own fellow slaves in order to suck up to masa) is prove enough. To put it bluntly, you're what they called a "house *beep* Its really a shame that you brought me stoop low enough to use some of your words.

But keep on running your mouth, you're sounding more and more like the street boys you like to trash-talk so much.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

What can I say? I'm a victim of institutionalized racism and poverty and am reacting accordingly. You should really pity me. Dad bounced when mom was pregnant and left her to raise me by herself. I was destined to act this way and am not responsible for my actions at all.

Don't try to be smart with me. You definitely still are a victim of institutionalized racism: your ignorant street talk and your slave-like-defense for the plantation way of life (a way of life in which there was always a sucker ready ready to beat and betray his own fellow slaves in order to suck up to masa) is proof enough. To put it bluntly, you're what they called a "house *beep* Its really a shame that you brought me stoop low enough to use some of your words.

But keep on running your mouth, you're sounding more and more like the street boys you like to trash-talk so much.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

What can I say? I'm a victim of institutionalized racism and poverty and am reacting accordingly. You should really pity me. Dad bounced when mom was pregnant and left her to raise me by herself. I was destined to act this way and am not responsible for my actions at all.

Don't try to be smart with me. You definitely still are a victim of institutionalized racism: your ignorant street talk and your slave-like-defense for the plantation way of life (a way of life in which there was always a sucker ready ready to beat and betray his own fellow slaves in order to suck up to masa) is proof enough. To put it bluntly, you're what they called a "house *beep* Its really a shame that you brought me stoop low enough to use some of your words.

But keep on running your mouth, you're sounding more and more like the street boys you like to trash-talk so much.

And yes, my computer is having problems.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

To put it bluntly, you're what they called a "house *beep*

^Lol.

Now I'm a house nìgger.

Its really a shame that you brought me stoop low enough to use some of your words.

Personal accountability is a lost concept on you, isn't it?

you're sounding more and more like the street boys you like to trash-talk so much.

The fact that you're negatively labeling an entire group of people based upon how they speak says more about you than me, tbh.

Also:

Using Black vernacular >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Killing your own people at a higher rate than any other racial group in the entire country.

****

These exchanges you've been having with me are extremely ironic considering the board we're currently on, I will say that. Why is it ironic? Allow me to put it into perspective for you:

This film is about a former neo-nazi who gets reformed and subsequently rejected and ridiculed by his peers when he acknowledges the error of their ways. He is branded a traitor, a "nìgger" and cast out of their community.

What you've been doing to me is equivalent to a White supremacist calling another White person who sympathizes with minority issues and promotes real equality a nìgger-lover. And now, we've displayed, for the entire world to see, the problems of division that continue to hold the Black community back. So if anyone outside of the Black community who was confused as to why Blacks just "can't seem to get it together," here is one shining example right here in this thread, people. We are at war with each other. Constantly.

When you are be brought to label your own a "race traitor" for acknowledging internal issues that are destroying our very existence, it can only mean that your views are driven by hate for Whites as opposed to a genuine desire to see your people prosper.

Your hatred and bitterness toward Whites was evident in your reply to that person who said they were bullied by Blacks for being White. Your knee-jerk reaction was to all but justify the behavior of the Blacks and basically blame the victim for "bringing it upon themselves." In other words, he had it coming...for being White.

You seem really angry and miserable and in all seriousness, I find that incredibly sad.

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.

[–] David12222 7 years ago

[–] Judge_JJ 8 years ago

Is Al Sharpton right about some of what he says about White people?

[–] The_Light_Triton 7 years ago

And illegal immigration is bad. I know it's very difficult to get into America, but illegal immigration can cause problems. There's nothing wrong with legal immigration. And Derek was completely right to be pissed off about the immigrants buying the store and firing the American employees just to hire other immigrants. That's incredibly racist and illegal. Of course he shouldn't have raided the store, but he had every right to be pissed.

That's why I love this film, not only does it explain why hatred is not worth it, but it also explains why some racists are angry. Because it seems the general public label racists as such just because of skin color, when 99.99% of the time it's definitely NOT because of skin color.

The grocery store scene is something I understand. In the Fraser Valley of Western Canada, A large quantity of convenience stores and restaurants are owned by Korean and East Indian/South Asian immigrants, who generally don't hire white people (Unless of course it's a young, beautiful girl with pillows stuffed in her shirt.) and usually only hire people of their own ethnicity. EI/SA owned companies also tend to underbid white-owned companies in the construction, Security, and trucking industries.

So I totally understand Derek's Frustrations.

"If my fate is to die, I must simply Laugh." - Magus, Chrono Trigger (1995)

[–] Just_the_facts 7 years ago

"Because it seems the general public label racists as such just because of skin color, when 99.99% of the time it's definitely NOT because of skin color."

Actually it's exactly because of skin color.

"So I totally understand Derek's Frustrations."

That's the racist mentality of many white people, to only understand the frustrations of other white people while brushing off the frustrations of racial minorities as complaining or wanting special treatment.

[–] BonsoirElliot 7 years ago

The first time I watched this movie, I was too young to understand, but watching it years later I do agree... It makes me feel bad to agree, since Derek was such a despicable person, but he did make SOME valid points. Mostly about the illegal immigrants. I don't agree with what they did though.

Anyways, they're all idiots who use any excuse they can to hate minorities.

[–] UseYourHeart 7 years ago

To simplify; Derek did all of the wrong things for all of the right reasons. He was extremely misguided in his beliefs by generalizing an entire group based upon the actions of a few that he'd been personally exposed to. But other than that, I found myself agreeing with a lot of his grievances and I'm Black, so...yeah...

Don't be thinking about me when I'm gone.
I wasn't thinking about you when you were here.