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They pretty much spoiled the ending at the start


We know Rose lives, and can assume Jack dies.

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We actually didn't know anything about Jack at the start, and had no idea if he lived or died in the film. In fact, we weren't even sure how Rose survived the Titanic, because not many people knew the whole story of the actual Titanic at the time this movie came out. It wasn't until it hit theaters, that it sparked people's interest in the actual historical event.

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Yeah... Jack could have been Rose's granddaughter's grandfather as far as we knew at the start.

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Don't take this the wrong way but both Rose and Jack are fictional. They were created for this movie. Unless you were only talking about the characters in the movie not knowing.

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I think you misread what I wrote. We all knew Jack and Rose were fictional, because of what we heard from advertisements. We knew that the Titanic sank, but we didn't know what happened in detail as how and what happened during that time.

Now they did give away the fact that the ship sank at all, not everyone survived, but Rose did and lived to tell the tale 84 years later. But other than that, we as the movie-goers didn't know a lot of things going in. We didn't know:

- that Rose was in love with Jack but had to let him go at some point
- what the deal was behind the naked Rose wearing the jeweled necklace in the drawing
- how Rose survived
- details behind the Titanic's sinking
- what the world was like in 1912
- what kind of technology they were using on the Titanic at that time
- details involving the iceberg accident
- details involving key players in the Titanic's maiden voyage
- why the ship sank from the iceberg, and why it took 2 hours
- what happened during that time
- if anyone survived
- what kind of weather they had out in the North Atlantic at that time of year
- the story behind the Heart of the Ocean
- what happened after

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I see what you mean now.

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I'm not sure what you mean when you say "not many people knew the whole story of the actual Titanic at the time this movie came out" The sinking of the Titanic has been common knowledge since it sank. Movies had been made about it. I knew about it as a child (the 1960's). My parent's cerainly knew about it. What makes you think that not many people knew about it? (If you're referring to current understanding of the engineering that led to the sinking, that has been an evolving set of hypotheses since the sinking, but such details don't really count to not knowing about it.)

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I'm talking about the younger generations that didn't seen the older Titanic films, people who knew it sank, but didn't know why, or why it was such a significant event in modern history. In fact, I had never even heard of the Titanic before that film came out!

So you see, the story of Titanic wasn't common knowledge among the younger generations by the time the 90s came around.

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I have never met anyone who did not know about Titanic. That includes people I met and spoke to in the eighties and nineties. Perhaps you didn't. Unless you can produce some specific evidence that the sinking of the Titanic was not well known to young people in the eighties and the nineties, I don't see any reason to lend credence to you thesis.

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You know, when people start pulling the word "evidence" into a discussion, that's when you start realizing they didn't come on here to really have a discussion. They came on here to belittle you and say "you're an idiot" or "you're wrong" through veiled words.

Well guess what, the world's a different place from when you were in the 80s and 90s, and you were obviously an adult (or at least a snotty asshole posing as an adult) and I know this is a foreign concept for you, but at least 2 generations of kids born in those times who knew nothing about Titanic until the James Cameron film came out. I have no doubt parents from the Boomer and Gen X generations knew about it, but their kids did not, and I was one of them.

I know you like going off on tangents in telling people they were wrong, but it makes you look like a snotty, arrogant asshole who is so dumb they lost the plot of the conversation, and honestly, I don't waste my time with idiots like you. So enjoy pretending like "your truth" is the real one, because everyone else on the planet knows it is. Good day and pound sand.

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We keep tightening the time line. And you make assertions but can't back them up. When you claim something, it would be a good idea to present something to support your claim. I can say "Everyone in 1990 had an intimate knowledge of the Titanic's structure and the engineering applied to build it." By your apparent standard I don't need to support that assertion. After all, why do I need evidence?

I don't make that claim, by the way. I do claim that the Titanic was common knowledge and I make that claim from my own experience. I'm sure you can say you know people who didn't. There are always people who don't know about something considered common knowledge by most.

You said " In fact, we weren't even sure how Rose survived the Titanic, because not many people knew the whole story of the actual Titanic at the time this movie came out." Such an assertion requires some sort of evidence to back it up. That isn't being an asshole, as you so quaintly express a ad hominem attack, not a mark of someone who actually wishes to discuss something.

You are free to make any claim about your own knowledge of the Titanic. You can't claim the same about others without some backup.

You might also like to explain why the film attracted so much attention if so few people knew about Titanic.

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You might also like to explain why the film attracted so much attention if so few people knew about Titanic.

Because of Leonardo... 😍😍😍
Just kidding. And I CAN believe that younger generations don't know anything about the Titanic. Today's kids don't learn counting anymore but all about "gender topics".

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lol

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Yeah, who would have ever guessed that the ship ends up sinking and lots of people die.

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SPOILER ALERT YOU DICK!!!! No reason for me to watch it now..


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LOL! Too soon!

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And why was it a spoiler? The movie implied that Jack died, but it never truly spoiled it. Besides, it's a Romeo and Juliet-esque story, so it was easy to assume that Jack would die, nonetheless.

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Before I watched that movie, I heard a Celine Dion's song called "My Heart Will Go On"--a song implied someone died at the ending and it was a hit with teenager girls. I knew it was not a woman died at the end, but Jack because the girls get swoon over Leo, the star.All because of Jack's romantic gesture for Rose.

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Alright, fair enough. But at least the single spoiled the demise, not the beginning of the movie itself.

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But Romeo and Juliet both died, unlike Rose and Jack.

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Fair enough.

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I dunno about that - it's strongly implied, but it could've ended with, "and that's how I REALLY met your grandfather"

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I love it.

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And keep in mind Bodine's line at the beginning -- when he says, "Her name was Rose Dawson [in the 1920's]."

At some point in her life, we are told, Rose had the same last name as Jack. So the inference could be made that they were married at one time. Since she was a De Witt Bukater when she boarded *Titanic,* when did they get married if Jack went down with the ship? Ship captains do preform marriage ceremonies from time to time, but somehow, I doubt Smith would have done so and not made any acknowledgement of it in the logs.

So the fact that Jack dies during the sinking is actually a pretty good twist.

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That wasn't the payoff though, the payoff was that she had the diamond the entire time and that she lived her life the way she wanted to without having to depend on Cal.

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Titanic was a true historical event. So clearly everyone knew it would sink and people would die. No spoiler there.

I don't recall old Rose mentioning Jack's faith at the beginning of her story.

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i'm not sure what the suspense was all about at the end when she's blowing the whistle either..

like we KNOW she survived. lol

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