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Rose reminds me of Pocahontas!!


Her and Pocahontas (Disney version) have a LOT in common.

- they're both strong willed and independent women.

- They both feel trapped and hate being pressured into things.

-both pressured into marrying someone who they have nothing in common with (Although Kocoum wasn't a jerk like Cal).

- Both their parents disapprove of their love interests based on their race or status. (Ruth hates Jack for being poor and Chief Powtan hates John smith for being white).

- both are rebellious and somewhat stubborn.

-both cheated on their fiancé

-both have gorgeous hair

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Kocoum did slap Pocahontas, so he was a jerk. I don't believe that she had promised to marry him either, so they never were engaged.

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Kocoum didn't really slap her, he just shoved her out the way to kick John's a$$.

Regardless, she was still pressured by her father to marry him.

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Interesting! To most DP fans including myself, Rose reminds them of Jasmine and Jack reminds them of Aladdin. Apart from the death scene, the romance and getting to know each other scenes are very, very similar to Aladdin and Jasmine's. Complete with the lying and trust scenes. "Do you trust me?" - Aladdin and Jack. "Yes... or I trust you." - Jasmine and Rose. Not forgetting the romantic flying machine scene reminds me of A Whole New World magic carpet scene.

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Yeah, but Jasmine didn't get Aladdin killed.

Was Rose like Pocahontas? I don't know; was she 13?

Oh wait! Wildflower said Disney false history Pocahontas. Nevermind.

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Yeah that's why I said apart from the death scene. Pocahontas and John Smith's relationship (Disney version) was more lustful, I think. I understand the OP is focused on the forbidden romance and the death of Jack point of view but based on the class system, the trust issues, the romance between Rose and Jack, Aladdin and Jasmine are more fitting.

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Jasmine also had many arrogant suitors, who were much like Cal was to Rose in "Titanic". Only one of them (Prince Achmed) appeared on the screen though, and even that was only rather briefly.

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I guess that comparison is after all fair, since they both have similar goals. However, personally though, I find Rose's characterization and situation to be more similar to Jasmine than Pocahontas, since we're talking about Disney. Both are essentially poor little rich girls who are trapped in bad circumstances.

In fact, though both Pocahontas is somewhat also trapped, we could arguably say that Pocahontas is essentially more independent than Rose. Pocahontas was in fact not as oppressed and trapped by her social classes as Rose was. Pocahontas could in fact take care of herself, something that Rose in fact had to learn throughout her movie.

Besides, Rose comes across as a more of a tragic character than Pocahontas, since she's clearly so discontent that she becomes downright suicidal (despite that Pocahontas is equally tragic as well). While Pocahontas is discontent with the idea of marriage, she's certainly not as discontent her independence and free-spirit becomes a hurdle.

In fact, if we're comparing both arranged marriages, it's fair to say that Rose stakes were much more higher to fail than Pocahontas'. Though Pocahontas was facing a similar hurdle, her marriage was still not officially settled (as it seems in the movie).

All in all it's fair to cite that Rose had perhaps a greater purpose with her relationship with Jack, since she learned a lot from him (which was most importantly her independence). Pocahontas was the one who learned less from her love interest, while he learned most from her (yet coincidentally, both Jack and John Smith are blonde, hahaha). Yet when it comes to the females family's disapproval, it's fair to cite that Rose's mother was technically the one who disapproved. In fact, though Chief Powhatan was forbidding his people to seek out the English, he didn't even knew about Pocahontas' affair with Smith before the execution.

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In fact, I've always found "Titanic" and "Pocahontas" similar because they share similar elements and truth to the told, both are "Romeo and Juliet"-depictions. But though Pocahontas and Rose's character arcs are about independence, it's fair to cite that Rose's quest for independence is more overtly than Pocahontas. But the biggest difference is that Rose's purpose is about happiness and living an inspired life, whereas Pocahontas' goal is to become a Chieftess and to bring peace between two clashing stubborn.

Personally-wise they were somewhat different as well. Pocahontas was in fact more mature and dignified than Rose. I prefer Pocahontas, mostly due to those aforementioned reasons. While there was a part of me that felt sorry for Rose, she could sometimes become downright mean and rude towards people.

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