How Canadian is this?


This film is in the Canadian section at the local video store. The store manager said it is her favourite Canadian movie. However, while watching it, I don't see why it is considered Canadian. Mostky films in the Canadian section are quite prominently Canadian. Aside from many members of the cast, this film seems quite American. The director, writer and producers are all from south of the 49th. It also appears to have been filmed entirely in the U.S. Does anyone know why it is considered Canadian? IMDB lists the USA before Canada as country on the main details page.

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Many of the actors are from Canada, but I don't really know why else it would be in a Canadian section in a video store.

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Actually, *most* of the actors are from Canada if you check their bio's. They are from all over Canada, not just the northwest as someone suggested. I also heard that the movie was premiered in Toronto but I'm not sure about that.

I think they have pretty liberal guidelines as to what qualifies as a "Canadian" production. There are official guidelines for media outlets which are required to show a certain percentage of Canadian content. Even though Smoke Signals was filmed and produced in America by an American company it may have enough Canadian actors to qualify. Or maybe that particular video store just made that decision itself, who knows. It's pretty common to have a Canadian section in video stores. It just helps to promote Canadian films which otherwise would not be noticed.

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how ignorant is that, that this movie ended up in the Canadian section. it was an American movie, filmed in America. the reason most of the actors are Canadian is that many Native American actors are Canadian-- do we forget that settlers here either murdered tens of thousands of Native Americans or drove them out and up north?

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I recognised a couple actors (NOT just Native Americans, though Kewlie has a fine point) from "Northern Exposure", a show set in Alaska--so they were probably alaskan or American-Pacific-Northwestern anyway.

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Just for the heck of it - you managed to hit two of my pet twitches regarding eomnclature.

how ignorant is that, that this movie ended up in the Canadian section. it was an American movie, filmed in America.
In case you hadn't noticed, Canada is part of America.

So is Mexico, for that matter.

Granted, if you're lazy, inconsiderate or just not thinking, it's easy to simply say "American" when you mean someone/thing from the USA - but a Canadian is an "American", too.

It was "US-made movie, filmed in the USA", okay?

And the other is "Native American".

I am a native American. My father was a native American. My grandfather was a native American. My great-grandfather was born in Plzen.

Humanity did not originate on this continent. We are all immigrants - my ancestors arrived on a ship, those of the American Indians came on foot via the Bering Land Bridge.

Canada has it right - they refer to "First Americans" or "First Nations".

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North America south america "Americi's" LOL.

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i dunno about you guys, but i noticed in the film that the actors use canadian slang like "EH?" and "INNIT?". And thomas almost sounds like bruce mccullogh's(spelling?)little school boy character from kids in the hall, more canadian ties. :D

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Not completely, the rest was filmed in Eastern WA, some in my hometown, Soap Lake. I was reading through the paper when I saw an article for "extras wanted" for a movie called "So this is what it is to say Pheonix, Arizona". I thought the name was good so I remembered it. I didn't even realize they changed the name until I happened to catch Siskel and Ebert as they were talking about it. Some was filmed at the dry falls mini mart, some down the streets of Soap Lake. His father's place was out by the lakes. The bus station was the bus station in Wenatchee, WA. It was really neat to see a movie where you are so familiar with the surroundings.

Just a note as well. Northern Exposure took place in Alaska, but was filmed in Roslyn, WA.

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Is it just me or does it seem a little odd that a video store would have a Canadian Section?

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I'm a native american and I grew up on the menominee reservation in wisconsin and we do use the slang terms "eh" and "innit", I didn't know they were canadian words though...anyway I enjoyed this movie, whats the deal with Canada anyway??

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I understand why most people think Canadians say "eh" a lot... because we actually do say "eh!" A LOT. It's common in the west, central and east. BUT "Innit"?? Hmmm... I don't really hear a lot of Canadians or FRIENDS say "Innit" opposed to "Isn't it". I don't really care for "proper" pronunciation of the english language; I'm fluent in Cree and learning French. And trust me... it's tougher trying to properly pronounce Cree words than english words. One slip of your "R's" or silent "H's" and you're saying a completely different word. ALL CONFUSING. Sooo... in my opinion... the slanguage is common in people who speak other languages.

For example: The people who fluently speak cree or no english at all say my name 'S-eena'... but than the ones who speak cree very little or when they HAVE to while speaking to an Elder.. say 'SH-eena'... which is correct! And the reason for that is there is no "SH's" in cree. [Or non that I can think of right now.]

But anyway... I'm rambling.

And I just contradicted my post... So I say now... In General: Canadians [as a whole] do not say "Innit". Just "eh"... I don't know why.

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I'm from the south and I've never heard the terms "innit" or "idnnit" before.

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Here in BC interior we say, "init?". Might be just the rez, but it's pretty wide spread.

Like... damn it, now I can't think of a good example. lol

Dad: "You two ask your mom if you could go?"
Me: "Sure, mom said we could, init?" *nudging brother with my elbow*
Lilbro: "What? Uhh... oh yeah!" *looks at his watch* "We better get going, eh?"
Me: "Umm... can we have some gas money?"

lol

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Not if you live in Canada. We feel it is important to seperate our locally made movies from movies made elsewhere. We like to support our homegrown talent.

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I noticed people here have mentioned the words "eh" and "innit" and that they're Canadian? Londoners in England use those words aswell. Strange eh?

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this is also filmed in my hometown of spokane,and in coeur d lene idaho this is not a canadian film sorry

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Re: this is also filmed in my hometown of spokane,and in coeur d lene idaho this is not a canadian film sorry


I was about to say that!


A fellow Spokanite,

~Ami

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Actually, the bus station was the Greyhound Station in Spokane. Remember it well. Don't think it's there anymore, though, and neither, thankfully, is the apartment building across the street. That place was haunted with a capital 'H'!!!!

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All the freshmen at the University of Montana were required to read Tonto and the Lone Ranger Fist Fight in Heaven. In the book they say "enit" quite often, so my guess is that it is slang on the Spokane indian reservation. I always thought of enit as more like something people from Maine say. As I recall, someone in Pet Sematary said enit a lot.

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That's not Candadian man...Thats just straight rez.

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Innit and Eh are actually very commonly used in reservations. Doesn't matter where you are, most rezes use them.

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I agree, my brothers-in law and my mother-in law are from the Coeur D'Alene rez and I have heard all of my brothers-in law say "innit" at one time or another.

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you haven't been to a res have you? thats normal n8tive slang lol along with caddy,golly etc.

I don't want to win awards. I want a picture that ends with a kiss and puts black in the books.

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that's not Canadian. Natives all over the country talk like that. I'm Karuk Nation and I talk like that, and I'm from California. educate yiurself.

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Hi,

I'm Native and live in Winnipeg and Smoke Signals is definitely NOT a Canadian movie, regardless if a few of the actors come from Canada originally. Are all Jim Carrey movies Canadian too then?

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The book was about Indian's on the Spokane reservation, and had a few short stories about my hometown (Spokane, WA). The author is also from there and I don't know how it would be considered Canadian...

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Listen to yourself dude,

You want more natives from america as opposed to canada, meanwhile what's the difference? do you think there was a border before first colonial contact in the first place?

Considering what the United States has done, and contiune to do to Native Americans over the years, it astonishes me that you would be a truly proud American.

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I believe that there should be more natives from America. Enough of this pan-Indianism. It's time that Natives from certain nations play roles in films from those certain regions.

"Enit" is a term used in Wisconsin and Minnesota. And I have heard others from southern nations say it, too.

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Funny how people forget Canada is part of North America........who cares about who acts from where....do we care that Colin Farrell is from Ireland but mostly acts without his accent? no, so its no big deal if Native Americans from different regions act as characters from other regions.

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the catholics where bitches to natives too, but there are natives who r catholic and they are proud of the fact that they are catholic as well.

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In the book "THe Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven," the book written by the screenwriter that this movie is based on, the characters are living in washington, and in the book they say things like "ennit" and such... so i think its more of a direct book to movie translation than canadian actors ad libbing...

hope it helps

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The word "ennit" is not Canadian. I'm Kiowa and Comanche and live in Oklahoma. I've said ennit and have heard nearly ever Indian I've encountered use the word quite often. It's not unique to the dialect of any certain region. It is a term Indians and only Indians use. It probably doesnt mean what you think. It's essentially an interjection used to basically say something like "is that right?" in a rhetorical context of course. It's too hard to explain and if you need an explanation you have no business knowing what it means. I'm not being ethnocentristic just honest.

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eh and enit are not canadian its just plain rez. Most people on the rez say eh or enit. Its just the way we speak

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thats exactly how i meant it... did i say something different?

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OK everybody says ''innit'' or ''ainit'' or maybe ii nit. Ha? or huh? Now theres a whole new conversation. Ha?

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WOW..I am a Canadian First Nations woman,and honestly I am a little shocked at some of your responses on a whole towards Canada, and Candian Aboriginals.
I KNOW this film is not Canadian. I like to watch Aboriginal films, and we are all on Turtle Island together. I am proud of the Sherman Alexie's of this world,and the Chris Eyre's and all the actors, Canadian AND American.

Obviously this film was just put in the wrong section. So I am not sure where all the hostility towards Canada is coming from.

Most films to be honest, while they may portray Canadian Aboriginals...though I am not sure which ones some of you were talking about, have never been written, directed and produced by Aboriginals. Be proud that Smoke signals was, I am. Not because it is American or Canadian, but because it is a true representation of Aboriginality. I think the term pan-Aboriginal is offensive, and it has been created by non-Aboriginal voices. Not our voices.

Keep in mind who your brothers and sisters are, remember that the concept of dividing us is one that was imposed upon us. We did not create the border as someone else suggested. I have Blackfoot friends here in Alberta whose family lives in the states because of where the governments decided to draw the line. It sucks.

Some rez people say "innit" here, not all. I would have considered it a rez term, not a Canadian or American thing.

Think of who is defining what is Aboriginal and what is not in our society, they are the same people that would then divide us into our cultural groups, areas of the country, language groups, provinces, tribes, states and then nations...Be proud of who you are, where you come from, who your ancestors are, but remember where we all came from. From one Creator, and we are all connected to the bigger picture.

I hope I have not offended anyone, but I feel strongly that the longer we are all divided the longer it will take us to reach our final destination. One of peace, understanding, and unity. Because we battle everyday, and the more unified we are, the more we will accomplish.

All my Relations
Canada Eh?!



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"it is a true representation of Aboriginality"

I like that word: aboriginality. Nice!

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The Review of Smoke Signals:
I did not find the film (1) poignant in any way or (2) entertaining for entertainments sake. I found Smoke Signals to be rather uninspiring, there was a lot of hype, and not a lot of substance. The storyline is disjointed and the acting is well below average and unfortunately, the sad performances from the actors did nothing to propel the extremely weak plot. I found Sherman Alexie's story to be lackluster, trying to prove a point which is quite unclear. I wasn't sure if this was a comedy about two opposites thrown together (because there were very few humorous moments, this film certainly was not the sidesplitter that reviews boast it to be) or if it was a drama about a man discovering who his father really was. Too many themes are attempted to be covered, leaving the viewer confused and uninterested. Unfortunately, because of the poor script and unskilled actors, this film was not moving or compelling at all, no emotion was evoked, except disdain for everyone involved in the making of this film. Additionally, the Native American accents sound incredibly bizarre to me and resemble a strange mix of Irish, Indian (from India) and American English dialects. In addition to the film’s disjointed feel, many scenes felt rushed and contrived. The somewhat interesting dynamic and contrast between Victor and Thomas seemed to resolve itself just in time for the end of the film. Also, Thomas' fascination and appreciation for Victor's father, (as the father he never had) is hardly explored or discussed by either character. Conversely, the relationship between Suzy and Victor's father feels completely unbelievable and seems to work only as a means for Victor to better know his father, although I am never convinced that happens. Because of consistent plot holes, or rather underdevelopments, the audience must take great leaps of faith throughout the entire film, hardly any of which pay off.

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Holy thread-hijack. What did that have to do with anything?

I personally would just like to clear up a post from a while ago which claimed "innit" is a term from Minnesota. I have never heard that term there, and I even live(d) in the Northern Lights district, if anyone here knows what that means. So yeah, not from Minnesota.

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I also found Thomas's accent to be a very odd mix of Irish and (India) Indian, (im irish myself). Mostly Irish tho and i could close my eyes and imagine the stories thomas told as coming from an old irish fellas tongue with the lilting upwards at the end of every sentence which makes foreigners think everythings a question.

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Probably the fact that the two leads in this movie, Adam Beach and Evan Adams (Powell River represent!!), are Canadian qualifies it for "Canadian content".

Either that, or they just stuck it in the wrong section. No biggie. The staff in my local video store make dumb mistakes frequently.

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There's an obvious Canadian feel to this movie, because of the actors and actresses. What stands out to me are the accents--Coeur d'Alenes don't sound like that, but the folks in the movie sound Chippewa-Cree.

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In my reserve, we don't say "Ennit" I'm Dene and I never heard any other Dene people talk like the way they do in the movie.

I'm with the monkey that's using the force!

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The Dene are, by far, the most abundant of Natives still around.

I am a transplanted Peigan from up North. For us, the word "ennit" is possibly the most used and-therefore-most diverse colloquialism that we use.

HeStartedIt is correct. My Dene friends had (have) a difficult time translating the word "ennit". There is no indigenous translation. It often depends on how you say it. It is a colloqilism...not a native word, as far as I know.

"Enitt!" = end of discussion.

"Enniit...." = no *beep*

"Ennit?" = Really?

So on, so forth.

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But I think that it really depends on the area. I have some Cree friends from the same area as I. (I live in Patuanak BTW) My Cree friends don't talk like they do in the movie. Actually, when I first watched this movie, I thought that it was supposed to be funny every time Thomas spoke.

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This post is soo old, but I wanted to point out to someone that said that they said enit in Pet Semetary alot that they were actually saying"Ayuh"(something alot of older Mainers might say, not so much younger people) not ennit.

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Ayuh.

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Frankly, I'm amazed that no one's mentioined that many Brits say "innit."

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Something I've so far only heard from Natives north of the 49th: Ever sick! Sometimes as er'sick...er'sick, boy! Er'sick, enit? I'm very familiar with 'enit' and 'eh', use 'em myself. Also lived for a time in Spokane where some of this was filmed.

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The writer is a Spokane Indian (Washington), also Coeur d'Alene (Idaho). I have seen him speak and read his books. He is brilliant. He's lived in Seattle all his adult live. They had some permit difficulties so it was filmed mostly in the CDA Reservation in Idaho although it's supposed to take place on the Spokane Reservation and be Spokane. They are two of several closely related tribes who spoke the same language. I think the NezPerce and Blackfoot are too.

I didn't know about the accents. Thomas seemed to have the most noticable one to me. I live near CDA Spokane Nezperce tribes. Eilene Miles was in this and was in Northern Exposure. To me her accent sounds a lot like Thomas to me. She grew up in Oregon. She may be putting on an accent too.

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