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The "ending" (sorta spoiler)


What do people think about the epilogue, showing the filmmaker and crew? Some find it confusing, whereas others suggest it's there to intentionally break-down the mystique of fiction. It's very debatable.

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I watched this movie in Iran in 1997! I think there were 5 people in the theater by the end of the movie!! I have watched lots of movies like this! But this one just made me laugh outloud, not because I think it was a horrible ending, or because it was just soooo genius!!! but becase the director did what exactly what he wnated to do!! He made people pissed off, and some think that it was the most genius thing ever!!The reaction of the people in the theater was HILARIOUS!! Some were screaming with fraustration, and some just left holding and shaking their heads! LOL The thing that annoyed me most was how real the characters were!! I mean in hollywood films, there's this dramatic was of acting that is not real, but Iranian actors act as if they are not! I don't know.. I liked the ending because I think they just wanted to mess with peoples minds!! and it was so unpredictable!!

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!!. !!!. !!!!. !. !!. !. Not to mention, !!!!!.

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I think the ending was a bummer! Up until the ending I thought the movie was pretty good, but after the movie was over I was just "?????"! After that I didn't know what to think of the movie. Only a few other films has made me feel that way ("Idioterne", "American beauty" & "2001: A space odyssey") and this is movies that I can't place a vote, simply because I didn't know what to think of them.
I was also hoping to get some kind of gratifying ending which revealed if he would die or not. Maybe it's true that the director just wanted to mess with people's heads and he did with mine, as I think the ending was way too flat & weird. There are surely people who think the ending is ingenious, and they're more than welcome to think so, but to me that just seems a bit pretentious.

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I thought the ending was an attempt to detach the viewer emotionally from the film, therefore leading to the possibility of a more in depth analysis. This technique seemed to be popular in the Political Modernist period (ie Godard's Weekend) and there were definitely elements of this in A Taste of Cherry, particularly with the wars constantly echoing in the background, through the dialogue and the sparse mise en scene. I thought the ending was purposely done to leave the viewer to decide the fate, or if not even that, to at least show self-reflexively that this is indeed a film and to in effect de-dramatize it.

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I thought the flowers and the soldiers smiling was just a way of saying everything was fine now, that he reached heaven.

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i agree. when interviewed, Kiarostami is clear that 1) he does not want to preach in his movies 2) he does not like tugging on the audiences emotive-strings, 3) he wants the audience to know this is a work of fiction, and 4),perhaps most importantly, he wants the movie itself to underdetermine its meaning so that the viewers, unimpeded by emotional tugs by the director, can be a more integral part of the movie by way of involving oneself in this more open-ended interprative process. The ending accomplishes these. it may seem strange to some, as it was to me when i first saw it, but now that i've seen six or seven other kiarostami films and read a bunch of interviews with him, the ending seems to fit right in line with kiarostamis states aims. indeed, without this ending the viewer would indeed be emotionally manipulated by kiarostami to favoring a certain moral interpretation of these events. This is not to say other peoples interpreations of the movie are false, for the point is precisely that a movie in and of itself is incomplete and underdetermined and that its meaning comes not ready-made but out of, or rather in, an interaction with an audience. so, the other interpretations are not false. however, in addition to the other possible interpretations, I believe at the very least the directors stated aims were accomplished by the ending. that some may not like those aims itself, or that some may feel the same aims could have been accomplished better, is another issue.

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i hate this. films are monologues and can never be anything else. there is no such thing as a non live work of art being a dialogue. running a tractor through the fouth wall doesn't involve me in the artwork. the tractor is still coming at me.

the message that tractor carries - what's on screen is fake, what's in the theater is real - strikes me as unprofound. some might argue that its an unprofound statement which rarely gets put in the driver's seat while other unprofound statements (i.e.: life is precious, adversity must be overcome, etc.) are well overdone, and i understand the intellectual's need to find in film an irreducable truth about film and make that statement. "movies are just light through colored cellulouse" is certainly that, but honestly, we knew that, and to substitute that for a humane judgement or reflection of what was otherwise constructed within the film leaves it incomplete.

there. i said it. call me a philistine, but unresolved conflicts and characters make for incomplete works. two further objections: 1) no brillo is coarse enough or articulated enough to scrub a filmakers judgements from the screen, and 2) lopping off the establishment of a conflict and showing us the resolution or lopping off the resolution and showing us the establishment does not not present the conflict. why it should be a goal of filmakers' to suppress judgement or neuter conflict is something i've never understood.

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I thought the film was superb, and those who actively or vehemently disagree - particularly those mentioned who actually walked out of the theatre in disappointment or frustration - have missed the point entirely. This film is unique, in that it poses more questions than it dares concretely or satisfactorily answer. It is not pre-packaged or formulaic like most films, especially Hollywood films. Even Hollywood films which claim to be "arthouse" or "alternative" turn out to be pretty much closed books, easily forgettable.

The other important point to make is that the pace of the film far more corresponds to the pace of real life than, perhaps, some viewers would care to readily accept or respond to. I found the dramatic effect more than appealing. It gives the viewer time and space to reflect on what the film is saying, as opposed to swallowing it whole-heartedly like a mindless mule gazing at your typical blockbuster flick.

The best review I've found on "Taste of Cherry" is by David Walsh, who is a brilliant art critic.
Check it out: http://www.wsws.org/arts/1998/apr1998/cher-a11.shtml

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In my opinion, I agree with the possibility of many interpretations of this movie because of the ending. There's no graphic scene in which we see the actor has died or if the old man carries on with his promise or whatever, so I'm sure that the director wanted us to think for ourself in a way of creating our own ending.
I think the movie was pretty slow but it's necessary if you want to portray the last hours of a man commiting suicide but it's so full of symbols, like the landscape, or the bends of the road showing us the difficulties of life, etc.
But the ending with all the crew and showing us the real filming of the movie left me almost shocked, I really wasn't expecting that. I am analyzing this movie at college and my teacher says it is a way of taking you out of the film, I mean, during the film we see a man that is apparently alone but then we see that he was not he was with the cast and crew of the film. So it's like saying that in life we feel alone but we are not, we are sorrounded by others that are in the same place as you.
Something like that. For me I think the film would have been better without that last scene; I enjoyed a lot the black scene, it makes you be anxious about what it's going to happen next.
Oh, I got a question, does anybody know if the birds have something to do with what is happening in the movie or not?

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"There's no graphic scene in which we see the actor has died or if the old man carries on with his promise or whatever, so I'm sure that the director wanted us to think for ourself in a way of creating our own ending"

nope. the story of this man's suicide began before the film. the director denied you this part of the story because he was afraid to reveal himself in eploring why. that's what's really outside of this film.

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expanding on my other comment, the gimmics of nonlinearity, false neutrality, constructed ambiguity, hyper-minimalism, the contrived semiotics of screen "realism", etc., make for films which record store poseurs inject into their egos without nessesarily even tasting it.

eg.:

"I thought the film was superb, and those who actively or vehemently disagree ... have missed the point entirely. This film is unique... It is not pre-packaged or formulaic like most films, especially Hollywood films. Even Hollywood films which claim to be "arthouse" or "alternative" turn out to be pretty much closed books, easily forgettable.

"...far more (blah blah blah) than, perhaps, some viewers would care to readily accept... I found the dramatic effect more than appealing. ...as opposed to swallowing it whole-heartedly like a mindless mule gazing at your typical blockbuster flick.

"The best review I've found on "Taste of Cherry" is by David Walsh, who is a brilliant art critic."

and so forth.

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I feel the ending is the best part of the movie - I was taken aback by it but everything just clicked and I "got" it. To me the addition of this footage at the end means the following: you know you're watching a movie, you may or may not associate with the characters, but with this ending Kiarostami wants you to know that there is real life behind the movie - the soldiers are enjoying the colours of the cherry tree, they are happy, just like Mr Badii was when he was a soldier (as he mentions in the movie). It's a very hopeful ending, and its subtlety is mind-blowing.

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A very deep and affecting film. I saw it four years ago and am very happy that there ARE people who have seen it also and were moved. His other work is well worth watching as well but if you don't go to Uni or live in a city there is no chance.

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No, I quite agree: I was perfectly satisfied to leave the story with the main character closing his eyes, leaving his fate unknown to us, but was slightly upset to find the added footage of the film crew. After reading through the other posts on this thread I can make sense of why the director chose this "epilogue", but I still would have prefered the film without.

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Although it is great for providing all kinds of theories on its meaning, there is a much simpler explanation. In his film '10 on Ten', Kiarostami explains that the processing lab ruined his last reel of film, so he had to rely on the 'making of' footage that was shot at the same time.

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cool :) but i liked the idea of the ending, for me there are 2 ways of "understanding":
1) such unfit ending forces a viewer to some kind of re-thinking of the movie, like "what part of the movie leads to it, are there any hints?", and it somehow sucks you in; if it is so, it's a clever trick, and it is fine for me, even if it's a joke :),
2) i like to think that such ending shows how little things can make people truly happy - look at these people at the end, those soldiers, their smiles - green grass, flowers, breathtaking panoramas of nature, participation in some shots of a movie, they enjoy it so much! and it connects to the story of that old man - some fruits helped to return joy to his life, just some fruits..

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I hated the ending. But I know what happened.

Abbas Kiarostami explains all about it in the "Ten on Ten" featurette which comes as a bonus disk to the UK release of "Taste of Cherry".

It was going to end differently (how, we don't know). Abbas finished the film (the footage of the soldiers and the flowers was part of a "Making of"). He took the reel to the lab to be processed, but it got damaged. By then the weather had changed and he couldn't reshoot the ending, so he decided to end the film with the featurette.

He shouldn't have done. Had he finished it where the film "ends", then that would have been a fine ending. But that's the story anyway: it was an accident.

Fun reading all these wild and deep comments of you all though - you guys crack me up sometimes! :-))

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I liked the ending however. Accident has played the role of co-director here ;)
Sometimes, I like the movies that does not have ending because they last for ever. Rang-e-Khoda (The color of the heaven) is another movie in the simmilar way.

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i couldn't agree more!

in an interview i watched kiarostami says he likes making movies which are so slow they make you want to go to sleep while watching them, but then keep you awake at night, or somethin glike that. only he phrased it better.

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For whatever reason "Taste of cherry" ends as it ends, the interest for me is the question it raises about who am I.
As an ordinary spectator, I've been following the film, believing in the reality of the characters. Those guys are here on the screen, so they are true. Then comes this end. Wake up. You were not seeing reality. You were seeing actors in a movie. So, what about my reality? Am I also playing a part in a movie, according to what I have understood reality is? Brilliant.
Secundly, Kiarostami give me hints about my own games: the one who reacts according to his own prejudices (and that's, for me, were the first question about "what is reality?" is suggested by the author: sex? mmm, maybe not); the one who keeps doing blindly what he does, no matter what (the plastic man); the one, terrified, who runs away in front of the very idea of death or just the meeting with an unexpected set of mind; the one who keeps to what he is supposed to do (the afghani guard); the one who moralizes and thinks he follows God's wills as if he could guess them; the one who has the experience and is really human and finally the one who wants to die and hopes he will survive.
So let's not forget we're none of them but just our own film director.

P.S. What also touches me in this movie is the fear of Mr Badii to be buried alive. That's what happened in many places during the war with Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The red army would order to the people of a village to dig a huge hole, then all the inhabitants had to jump in it. And the soldiers were covering them with earth. Yes, it has happened on a wide scale.

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Kiarostami is not an idiot.

While his first idea may have been destroyed by a lab that does not mean that his alternate ending can be seen as merely a patch up job. He would have meditated on whether to have the film end with the black and the sound of rain or what else could be added. He could have done a number of things... he could have had the sound of the old man throwing rocks in the hole... he could have shot the main charater ordering a kilo of cherries from a grocer... yes very corny but I'm just illustrating the many possibilities that were at the directors hands besides shooting in that particular spot..

It was not an "accident"- he chose to finish the film the way the way it did. In making a film one often has to change direction due to unforeseen circumstances.

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Yes, it was very intentionally done. The director's re-emphasizing that this is not a fiction film to be dismissed right after you leave the theater. He wants people to do a double take and really think. It's almost as if Kiarostami doesn't trust all that he's said before (so seriously) is strong enough to make people not miss the point that this film is really political allegory. I mean, think about what the young soldier (willing and unwilling enforcement of socially-sanctioned morals and goals), the seminary student (religious certitude) and the taxidermist (the natural order of the world) represent and what they do in the film. Think about the fictional ending we didn't get to see (the outcome of a man's free will to choose) and what it's replaced with (group of soldiers marching and then their resting without a real clue of what's going on with the film in which they're participating). This is a passive protest about the conditions under which film-makers and other artists/people in the world of Kiarostami is working under. In a way he's okay with it. Ie. that there will always be different means to tell the truth.

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