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I dont get the "grew out of it" comment about billy's wife's clothes. His wife died of cancer.

I also don't get the purpose of that other lady commenting that he gave a sweater to nicole and she was wearing it the day the bus crashed... Then he got all defensive and accused her of calling it bad luck. Why would that be bad luck?

I also don't get how nicole's family could have no idea about the incest between her and her father. Were they that clueless in the book as well?

Also, i've seen in prevous posts people saying that the purpose of zoe's story was to show that the lawyer was driven by the loss of his daughter and wanted to defend the honor of all other parents who have lost their children..... okay.... so then why did he want 1/3rd of the settlement?

Does the book ever say if zoe really did test positive or if she was lying to get money? And what was the point of the "I can hear you breathing" discussion?

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The stuff about Billy's wife clothes confused me too.

Why was Nicole's family clueless about the incest? Well, it happens all the time in real life. The adult always knows how to manipulate the child to keep him or her quiet. Plus, quite often family members suspect at some level but don't let themselves make the obvious conclusion because of the emotional and practical consequences (e.g., the father is the breadwinner).

But as for the lawyer, he was just being a lawyer. I'm not a big fan of civil lawsuits done "on spec" the way they are in the U.S., but that's how lawyers get paid here in civil suits (I don't know if that's the case in Canada). Keep in mind that lawyers have to pay all their costs in preparing the case out of their 1/3 of the settlement, and if they lose they don't get paid and so are out those costs. However, from the disappointment on Stevens' face at the end of the movie when Nichole said the bus was speeding, it's clear Stevens was looking for a payday and not acting solely out of altruistic motives. Like everyone else in the movie he was a flawed person.

As for Stevens and Zoe, the film makes it clear they've got a long history. It's to the point where Zoe's not even really trying anymore to come up with a good story. She knows she just has to touch Steven's guilt and he will cough up the money even as he is well-aware he's being manipulated. So in the Kabuki dance of their interactions, the "I can hear you breathing" comment is her way of telling her father "you can't get out of it by not responding, just send me the money".

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I had a number of questions after watching this movie as well, which is why I came to this discussion board.. I believe that the "I can hear you breathing" lines were drawing the connection back to the moment when Stevens was trying to keep calm as Zoe was close to dying, and he was waiting until she stopped breathing to perform the emergency surgery. He said that he didn't have to go all the way, but he was willing to.. just like he is willing to still support her even through her countless problems with drug addiction and the pains of her desertion.

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Cannot believe I did not put that together in the five years since I first saw this...

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I read the end of the movie completely differently with regard to Stevens. The film drew obvious parallels between him and the town "losing children", and Ian Holm's played it so genuinely that I don't think it was an act. For example, take his encounter with Billy Ansell - he tells him about his drug addict daughter spontaneously, and Billy's reaction is "why are you telling me this?" They've both broken from their roles as "calculating lawyer" and "angry honest townsfolk" in that moment, so to me that says it wasn't an act.

But going back to the deposition at the end. Stevens wasn't just disappointed, or angry at Nicole, which you might expect if he was going for the payday. He was speechless. He could barely answer the other lawyer. He appeared dazed, as if in a trance, much like he did on the plane while recalling the spider bite incident. Clearly Nicole's actions meant more to him than a simple "you're changing your story, what the hell!" Shortly after, having recovered his composure, he tells Sam that to lie and do that to her father, there must be something terribly wrong with her. Who else does he know who lies and manipulates her father? It recalls that theme of "losing children" again. So I saw the final scene as his witnessing another daughter become "lost" to her father, and being floored by it.

That interpretation alone doesn't answer what his original motivations were from earlier. There are moments where he seems like he's working his pitch, and there are also moments that seem to truly strike a chord, so I would guess a little of both. It's deliberately unclear.

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^At the end when the lawyer says that there must be something wrong for a daughter to do that to her father...I could be wrong but I took that to mean that Stephens thought/suspected the father had done something wrong for her to lie like that. I might be totally off on this. Just the way he said it, I thought he was kind of saying that line to himself...like he's wondering what HE himself has done to make HIS daughter, Zoe, do what she has. It just seemed like he wanted to blame himself for how she turned out...Maybe I heard the line wrong though. I searched the quotes and googled them but couldn't find the exact line.

I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue...

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the "grew out of it comment" still has me scratching my head, too.

The comment about clothes- lots of people think it is bad luck to wear a dead person's clothes.

And he flipped out because she backhandedly blamed HIM twice in that confrontation- stating the bus was faulty (which HE serviced) and that the sweater that HE gave brought bad luck.

Most families are either clueless or in denial regarding incest.

Zoe's story was MUCH deeper than that. IMO Zoe's story was the MAIN one, with the bus incident used to explain it. When he has his moment after talking to Billy... "we've already lost our children" speech. The movie, it seemed to me, was about the loss of innocence and corruption of the family/parenting in society through greed, drugs, etc. But yes, his intentions were intended as noble and 1/3 is less than most lawyers would require (1/2 is typical).

"I can ehar you breathing" brought them back to the car when she was three (weren't there also visual flash backs during that scene??) He was instructed (and prepared) to do whatever it took to save her- but only once her breathing stopped.

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The lawyer's intentions were anything but noble. He wasn't sleazy or slimy, but his main motivation was the prospect of a big payday.

I don't know what experience you've had with contingency fee arrangements, but a 1/3 contingency fee has long been typical. Sometimes a higher percentage may be specified, often triggered only if the case goes to trial. If lawyers in your neck of the woods typically charge 50% contingency fees for personal injury cases, even those that don't go to trial, then the world is going to hell faster than I thought.

-- TopFrog

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I suppose he may not have meant physically growing to big for the clothes, but mentally growing out of them... I mean it seems they were apprpriate for a fifteen year old girl, so perhaps his wife hadn't really grown up yet - or perhaps in his mind she hadn't grown up yet. Or perhaps he had wanted her to keep looking girlish.

Just some ideas. Perhaps the book makes it clearer?

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when he said she grew out of the clothes, i thought he meant that she lost so much weight, because of the cancer, that the clothes were too big for her. she "grew" too small for them. one of the defenitions of grow is to pass into a condition, or to become, as in..she grew pale..so in this case, she became too thin. i'm not sure if that's right, but it's what i thought he meant at the time..

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Is there a chance Billy's wife might have been pregnant?

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