want my money back - Suicide Kings (1998) Discussion

[–] sno2dude 20 years ago

I have NO CLUE what you are talking about. This movie is NOTHING like any of the other movies you have listed. It was in order for one, everyone doesnt die for two, the people involved are all DIRECTLY involved and not involved by chance encounters. You know, its also odd that you are the only person that gave this movie a bad review.... interesting. i own Lock Stock and Pulp Fiction and have seen them both multiple times. This movie i actually like as much if not more than the other ones. unlike Pulp, this one has humor elements. Unlike Lock Stock, most of the people live instead of being killed in chance encounters with the other groups of people in the movie. You really need a checkup on your analytical skills.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

There's no need to insult me here you illiterate minge.
Perhaps I've been a little tough on this film. The comparison made to Tarantino's work refers to tone and style, not specific plot points. Pulp Fiction gave us the conceit of characters who are cold-blooded criminals, but who also take time to make conversation involving topics like Big Macs. Where had we seen this before? Where have we seen it since?
I'm perplexed by your remark that Pulp lacks humor. Recall the monolog by Walken? Or Harvey Keitel's encounter with Travolta's stubborn hit man? All this dialog makes you smile. Compare this with Johnny Galecki's shrieking nebbish. His character was supposed to provide comic relief; instead, he brings a grimace.
I did not enjoy this film. Didn't hate it, mind you, just found it a big disappointment. Nothing about it felt fresh or inspired, just more "let's film a heist movie with articulate criminals". And serve it with a twist.
Maybe this one deserves another look, but it won't be easy.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

Well, pt, it seems no one's going to read your follow-up before responding to your original post. I say let them blather on. Perhaps reading is not their strong point; it's obvious from some of these that grammar is not a high priority.

However, if this continues, you will all have to leave my office immediately.

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[–] Ford_Maverick 20 years ago

I really like all the movies you listed with the exception of Lost In Space which I wish I could travel back in time and stop myself from watching.

I thought Suicide Kings was really good. Yes, it does use some common elements from the genre, but that's why there are genres. Stylistically It does use some Tarantino-esque elements, but I think it does it without blatantly ripping him off.

I'm Ford W. Maverick and I'll see you in hell.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

..."Lost In Space which I wish I could travel back in time and stop myself from watching."

HAHA!

Eight bucks for this crap?!? I don't think so.

I got them back that day by sneaking into Titanic for a second viewing.

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

I'm sorry, but you trash Suicide Kings and then volunteer the information that you actually saw Titanic *twice*? Now I can't give you any credit. And... to each his own, but why bother going to a message board just to start a thread to trash the movie of discussion? I never understand why people do that; it just starts huge arguments.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

But you understand why people enjoy contributing to those arguments, don't you? Hypocrite.

Seems Titanic's not cynical enough a film for the narrow-minded viewer who appreciates only one or two specific types of movie. As long as you're smartassing great films that aren't "hip" enough for you, don't forget The Man In the Moon and What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Some of us, however, are enlightened enough to recognize greatness. You should just stick with what you know, which is crap.

You and your credit ain't welcome in my office. Or on my planet.

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

"Seems Titanic's not cynical enough a film for the narrow-minded viewer who appreciates only one or two specific types of movie. As long as you're smartassing great films that aren't "hip" enough for you, don't forget The Man In the Moon and What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Some of us, however, are enlightened enough to recognize greatness. You just stick with what you know, which is crap."

You are highly amusing in your idiocy. That is the only reason I replied to your posts. Well, that, and I haven't posted on anything in a while other than to a friend of mine. Your "office" line sounds like something a stand up comedian would use as a running gag, such as Troy Thurgill's laundry bit. Except, on a message board, it just looks kind of... stupid. But, if you want to continue to appear as a prepubescent boy who has been watching too much professional wrestling, by all means, continue. I'm sure you're providing a service to many people who haven't actually posted anything in reply. At least when Wayne Gretzky was "in his office," it made sense. And it's Wayne Gretzky, so he can do whatever he wants. And, um, did you actually answer yourself before, "pt"? That's... sad, on so many levels. Don't you have any real friends?

Explain a few things to me: A "cynical" film, in your eyes, and what exactly such a film has to do with me. "Narrow-minded," because I actually do have a wide taste in films, so I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion. Just because I enjoy a film that you do not does not make me narrow-minded. It makes me different. Though similar to everyone else in this thread who thinks that you are insane. Are you calling Titanic "great?" Wow. That's awfully flippant use of the word. I'm not sure what you mean by "hip" because, well, I've never even thought to use that word to describe a movie. Or, well, anything, since I'm not a 12 year old girl. Speaking of such, you seem to have a thing for Leonardo DiCaprio. *Grin* That's proof right there that I'm more "hip" than you (no offense to anyone else in this thread who likes Leo, or is in actuality a 12 year old girl). I just despise when narrow-minded jerks like you judge people based on nothing. And like I said before, to each his own. I don't care a bit about other peoples' tastes, just don't preach them to me. Look at the way people are contradicting you at every turn... that should tell you something.

And, in case you were wondering, the directions you're looking for are: "insert crowbar into rectum, push down and out, remove head."

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

"You are highly amusing in your idiocy."

Thank you. Everything else I read here is nonsense pithy highschool debate team bovine excrescence.

And thanks for totally missing the satire of my posts and taking them at face value. Like the cumb dunt u are.

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

So you are, in fact, a prepubescent boy. Thank you for confirming that fact. Why don't you come back when you have some pubes? Perhaps then you can come back with some more mature "insults." Just because you can use dictionary.com doesn't mean your "insults" are any more complex. It just makes you look like you're trying too hard. Got something you need to overcompensate for?

~ "So the compass needle keeps spinning, and the world gets murkier and murkier..." -Spike on AtS ~

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Can I hump u Tiger?

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

Nope. People need to come of age before I can be with them.

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

You are a lovely human being, pt.
And I can assure you that I am neither fat, smelly, nor skanky. So you're definitely barking up the wrong tree. I'd call you a dog, but I'm sure that's implied.
And I have just as much right to be in your office as you do. I own the building, after all. So technically... it's *my* office.

~ "So the compass needle keeps spinning, and the world gets murkier and murkier..." -Spike on AtS ~

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Repeat after me, don't even think of trying to piss off the boss. Have you forgotten that this is a movie thread?

NOW GET OUT OF MY OFFICE SKANK. Either that or I make u suck ol' Buck.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Style is a good thing, and if you like the style of Suicide Kings you have QT to thank for it. If you think that Pulp Fiction lacks substance (don't all the major characters finally receive some form of redemption?), and Suicide Kings has any substance at all, then start your own damn thread and talk with other movie morons about the dustlike substance of this crappy movie.

If you think that you're not in my office, the crack hasn't worn off your izzle brain.

Close the door on your way out runt.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

You're boring.
Bye.

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[–] vsilvio22 8 years ago

You're an imbecile. I know this is 10 years late, but I also know nothing has changed.

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[–] fawnlebowitz 11 years ago

one of my favorite trivia questions....What movie knocked Titanic from Number one?...Answer: Lost in Space!

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[–] singapore51 20 years ago

Well I took a chance too, seeing a similar deal and grabbed Suicide Kings.
I like Chris Walken, and like many, he has good and bad roles, but usually delivers with Walken flair. However, some not even that flair can save. I didn't find this to be one of them. But, like pthomas, liked Pulp Fiction and Resivoir Dogs, as I do most anything noir and pulp related, or "B" movie, whatever spin ya throw on the genre, and have for many years. But to imply that Tarintino isn't obviously derivitave is mising certain elements. Groundbreaking in presentation, no question. New spin on used plots, thankfully so. But the man wears his heart on his sleeve. And Pulp Fiction was nothing if not at many times tounge-in-cheek if in a gallows humor way. And rightfully so. This genre, like War movies, Westerns, Romance flicks stick pretty true to their subject matter. Lock Stock, Snatch etc all are in the same mold, of course they're alike to some degree...but it didn;t start with nor will it end with Pulp Fiction, which is a great movie for contemporary noir. That said, I found the twist, somewhat predictble in Suicide Kings, but the dialouge I thought was meaty and witty. Walken was delightful. Dennis Leary was excellent in his deliveries, the guy who played Ira was an unexpected treasure. Complete reality check on it all...the bored, poor little rich kids all should've been smacked on a daily basis, and were portrayed thusly. The ending was so-so in my book, but for an enjoyable rainy day sit-down, I easily got my $3 worth and dropped it across the hall to my neighbor knowing she'd feel the same. Hardly a loser. Some great lines and character performances, in a delightfully familiar pulp setting. Satisfied customer.

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[–] browneyed_girl25 20 years ago

If your going to compare and hate everything that doesn't add up to QT films your going to miss out on a lot! I personally loved this film...but there's no use bringing it down because it's not Pulp Fiction (which I have yet to see, but yes am dying to).

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

My sweet browneyed girl, this is just one film. I do not "compare and hate everything that doesn't add up to QT films". If I did, the loooong list of movies I love would shrink somewhat. The film is derivative. (As are many much better films.) But upon reviewing the thing, it seems that Johnny Galecki is maybe the biggest reason for my initial reaction. He single-handedly brings the story down from any level of suspense. This character belongs in a freakin John Hughes film. He and a particularly sloppy ending kill it for me.

So if you disagree with me once more, I will never, ever let you use my internet again.

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[–] toliveistodie2001 20 years ago

I wish whole heartly my unit and I could fly our Blackhawk to your work. Then I could step on your neck and you could smell the polish on my boot and i could stick my M-16 in your mouth and watch you die.

Maybe if you removed your lips from QT's c*ck you would see that some of his movies are good, however he's not god's gift to the movie industry.

You've just been owned beotch

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

The term is "whole-heartedly" you ignorant bumlover.

"Don't ask, don't tell" must have benefited you greatly.

Now get out of my office.

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[–] Pandabear419 20 years ago

get out of our thread pthomas_123 !!!!

"Better a witty fool then a foolish wit." Shakespeare

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

Office. My. Out. Get. Of. Now.

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[–] SuperKent 20 years ago

pt, this thread has shown your ignorance. Basically, you have an enormous standard and expectation level for every movie, and if it isn't Pulp Fiction, it ain't good or some non sense. Nobody expects this movie to be Pulp Fiction, just by reading the cast, you kinda get the feeling that this isn't gonna be up to those inflated standards. Why the hell does everything have to be fresh and new by the way? Go to Tarantino's page on IMDB and read all of the stupidity flowing out of people's mouths whining because Tarantino takes ideas and makes his movies and because everything he does isn't 100% original, they are crucifying the man. Why can't we enjoy a movie with a tired plot that was perhaps done well and most of all, entertaining? Ford Maverick made the best point about genres. If you watch a horror movie, you ain't expecting the wheel to be reinvented, you expect the same ole with a new or different twist. Movies in the same genre are gonna be similar. I also see no reasong to be hating on Johnny Galecki. Without him, this movie loses a lil bit of humor and just wouldn't flow right. I don't know if you hate Galecki or just the character. Either way, I found his character to be at least interesting. I like a lil variety, I don't need a full movie of non stop seriousness. Finally, I hope you was joking about Titanic, well unless you liked Titanic, then I just pity you.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

I want you to go now and read what you wrote, because you're a total novice filmgoer and a complete moron.

Tarantino is the man. He is the goofiest and most freewheeling filmmaker of his generation. Do NOT dis my boy Quent!

"Why the hell does everything have to be fresh and new by the way?" I can only assume that this is a big typo. You little titsqueak. Why the hell shouldn't everything be fresh and new? You wanna watch "Independence Day" again? You wanna watch a new, fresh piece of work, or the product of a studio saying, "Hmmm, that made some money, let's make another one!"

My standard is that I want to watch a great film every time. And I don't hate Johnny Galecki. Well, ok, I do hate Johnny Galecki- in this movie anyway.

And Titanic is a great film. You don't recognize that, then you must be a damn teenage movie *beep* So keep your stupid teenage *beep* opinions away from me from now on.

Now get out. GET OUT OF HERE. GET OUT OF MY OFFICE!!

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[–] patrickoriley 20 years ago

pt's right. people are exaggerating and misinterpreting his criticisms. he's been right the whole time. check and see.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

Thank you Basturd, you are wise and noble.

People who can read are allowed to stay in my office.

U can stay in my office. Just sit in the corner.

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[–] Quiet_Tiger 19 years ago

Everyone else seems to like him... and yes, in your opening rant, you did come off as comparing everything to Quentin Tarantino and especially Pulp Fiction. Preview what you type so don't sound so much like an ass. Though I bet Quentin would be flattered.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Everyone else is stupid as hell then.

... and no, I did not compare everything to Tarantino or to Pulp. I compared THIS crappy, derivative, pointless, sloppy movie to QT's work because the resemblance is too great to ignore. The other titles I mentioned just to make a point. (Any of them are superior to this mess.) To paraphrase Louis Armstrong, "No Quentin Tarantino, no Suicide Kings."

Now DAMMIT stop posting in MY THREAD if you can't read!!

There's the door. Get out.

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[–] dkinem 20 years ago

i am a teenager and i love tarantino movies except jackie brown which was ok and i think suicide kings is really good it doesnt compare to pulp but really what can!!!!

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

Jackie Brown is a great film. Only a teenager suffering from Cinematic Attention Deficit Disorder² could call it "ok".

Now off u go, out of my office.

²Famous Reviewer

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[–] deadlove_pho 20 years ago

Hey, if ya want your money back, bring the movie back and tell them it's broke. *eyeroll*

On a personal_opinion_note here, and we /are/ all speaking opinions, I enjoyed "Suicide Kings". Lastly, why compare a movie with another movie? If you spend your whole life comparing one great thing to something else, you're already setting yourself up for a let-down. Give everything new it's own, fresh chance...otherwise don't even waste another breath trying to live. (because that, is /not/ living, be it movie or otherwise)

tuchè!

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

I_am_comparing_your_stupid_response /to /other /stupid /responses /above and I_see_that_there's_no_point_in_explaining_to /you /that /we've /been /over /this /already /you ignorant_twat. *eggroll* *gargle* *puke*

Go /on /and /get_the_hell_out_of_here_NOW /bwooy!

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

I think you are correct, except for what you said.

Because once again I have to read waffling tripe from someone who obviously has not bothered to read my followups.

Didn't I say that I may have been harsh on the film? That many much better films were just as derivative? That the blame for the ultimate failure of this crappy film lies at Galecki's feet and an ending that looks like it was written in a big hurry on the crapper? Did you know that several endings were shot for this thing and they went with the one that test audiences liked? Hmmmm? Does that sound like legitimite art to you? Hmmmmm bwooy? Sounds to me like "product".

Oh, why do I bother. Look at your monitor. Look all around your screen. See all that? That's my office. You're in it. Close the door on your way out.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

So whattya want me to do? Roll over and crap Mars bars?

Do you need telling twice whore?
Get out of my office.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

Get your stupid ass out of my office.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

...k.

I'll hold yer little hand for this one. Look up there ^^^^

Start with the third posting, second paragraph. ("Paragraphs" are groups of sentences, usually seperated by space, often with the first line indented. Thought you might be interested in trying them one day.)

As for proving me WRONG, don't waste your time, as you can see it's been tried. Mental midgets like you need not apply.

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[–] bornperfect 20 years ago

Your office sounds like a fun place. "Hey, let's sit about watching bargain basement dvds and make accurate, if unecessary, comments about them!"

Consider the office vacated... for now. I'm coming back for the Christmas party.

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

U are ok with me, Perfect, u may stay in my office, which is never vacated, long as there are filmloving wankers about...u bring the nog.

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[–] lamak26 20 years ago

Hey Dont Call Snatch or Lock Stock BAd MOVIES !! You didnt liked them fair enough but they were bad in any respect . I love both of them and are in my collection .

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[–] freemontsoffice 20 years ago

I never said that I didn't like those movies, I said they owe their existence to Tarantino, and of course they do.

YOU are the one who says "they were bad in any respect" and "I love both of them". Well which is it you waffle? Cmon, tell the truth... you're John Kerry, aren't you? Hmmmm?

Flip-flop your ass out of my office.

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[–] soozeebee 19 years ago

ass monkey.
I'm glad you feel safe in the padded cell you call your office. Is it difficult typing while in restraints?

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Ask yer dad you piss drinking cretin.

Get out of my office bint.

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[–] eccentric1 19 years ago

Only on a day when I have nothing better to do will I call you out my nebulous friend. Throw yourself bare on the carpet & reveal to all those before you your "PERSONAL TOP TEN" films of all time. If you wish to stand by your list, then be prepared for whatever may come. If you wish to respond, try to do so without profanity, for your intellect (or lack thereof) may show. Please refrain from exposing us to further Stomatopyrotic discharges as we all do not need to visit a medical physician, what with drug prices being what they are today. Profanity is the language of those whom are uneducated. I am sure that somewhere in that big office of yours there is a dictionary and a thesaurus. Please use it, if you so wish to respond. I have muddied my hands this day, so therefore I must truly be human.

NAME YOUR PERSONAL TOP TEN FILMS OF ALL TIME.

Prepare to be villified.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Only on a day when I feel like it, will I grace this thread with my list, but u bet your pompous ass this crappy film won't be in it.

Prepare to get the fluck out of my office.

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[–] lamak26 19 years ago

The flip flop comment was funny. Any ways typo man in the last message, i really loved snatcg and Lock stock. And tarentino is no genius that he made his movies all on his own, he also got his ideas from other and so did guy ritchie.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Tlanks four tha comment taht my comment wuz flunny. Any wais man other message and all but tarenteino just may be genious only times willtell but any ways hes managed to caus all thes other movies too cum into existanse so lets not badmouth him k.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

... good point... uhhh... ok...

The script sucks, the acting sucks... and the film sucks.

Just to reiterate- Suicide Kings SUCKS.

I appreciate your input here red_egg, and I welcome your furthur comments in support of my position.

Shall we blast these morons?

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[–] adrianajesperson 19 years ago

THOUGHT I COULD FEED IT
SIFT THE DEBRIS
HEIR TO THE THRONE OF A SUICIDE KING.

I am perversion,
Secret desire,
I am your future,
Swallowed up in fire.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

LICK ON MY WIENER
SOOK ON DE CORK
FEAST ON THE MASS OF DE TUBULAR FORK

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

IMDb emails me whenever someone posts here. I don't spend time in these forums because the general poster is a moron. The sheer mass of the aggregate movie ignorance I see in threads like this could shift the orbit of Jupiter. Understanding, of course, that most of you are twenty-one or younger and have almost certainly never watched the likes of The Maltese Falcon, Chinatown, Five Easy Pieces, Cries and Whispers, Double Indemnity, etc..., and have no interest in watching them. These people are totally unaware of anything pre-Wayne's World. Their idea of a "musical genius" is Curt Cobain!! Or Eminem!! LMAO

So... why bother arguing the merits of a movie with people who are unaware of a movie's merits. It's more fun to call the twerps names.

Now get out of my office and don't give me no lip child.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

Will u b my friend moviegiraffe?

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[–] mbeaucha-1 19 years ago

Now that I have spent an hour reading every post in this thread, I want my hour back. PT, as you have expressed your dislike of this movie in every way possible and at varying degrees of humor, I walk away from your "office" with the knowledge that a person can write hundreds of sentences and not express much more than a elementary rant, "I don't like it." As we all have opinions on separate issues, opinions are bound to clash. However, opinions are debatable. Mostly, a position taken on this, or any, movie is a matter of taste. What several posters in this thread don't understand is that taste can not be debated, at least not successfully. There is an Roman saying that dates back to ancient times, "De gustibus non disputandum est." Meaning, in loose translation, "There's no way to argue profitably or think critically about matters of taste."

Now, I personally liked this movie. I like Christopher Walken as an actor, and the same can be said for Jay Mohr, Sean Patrick Flannery, Dennis Leary, Jeremy Sisto, and Brad Garrett. I haven't seen Johnny Galecki in many movies or shows outside of Roseanne (Yes, I've seen Roseanne. I don't set it to record on TiVO, but I've seen a show or two.), so I can't very well say I like him as an actor. However, I do like the performance he gave in this movie. You need a squirrelly, nerdy guy with the common sense of knowing actions have consequences. He helps to keep the balance.

Like I said, matters of taste are not easy to debate, but as far as the movie not having original ideas, I disagree. The problem with comparing movies of a similar genre is that their will always be similarities, but it's the original aspects of a movie that should be reviewed and rated. Were the performances believable? Could you see a similar situation being played out in real life?

Anyway, that is my rant. I thank you for the time you have allowed me in your office. I will leave now and hope to hear back from you. You do sound like an intelligent individual, and I've always enjoyed discussing ideas with intelligent people.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

You read the whole thing and all you gleaned from my arguments is "I don't like it"? You should spend more time reading and less time watching useless, copycat, sloppy, disposable movies.

A movie doesn't necessarily have to have original ideas to be worthwhile, so put that stupid idea out of your head. Either the thing works or it doesn't. When an experienced, knowledgable filmlover watches this pointless mess of a movie, it won't work for him because he'll be first distracted by the shamelessly derivative style, then bored with the cheap, stolen dialogue, and finally just annoyed by that damn Galecki, trying to channel Woody Allen (and failing miserably). And then the last straw- the kind of an ending that screams, "WE WERE IN A HURRY, OK??"

I can imagine Tarantino throwing a stick into a lake, and this movie jumping eagerly into the water to fetch it... only the stick's too far out, and the water's too deep, and this movie just doesn't have what it takes to stay afloat, despite its eagerness to please.

There's another Roman saying: Get out of my office.

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[–] estasiak 19 years ago

There is an Roman saying that dates back to ancient times, "De gustibus non disputandum est." Meaning, in loose translation, "There's no way to argue profitably or think critically about matters of taste."

Having just watched "Suicide Kings" for the first time tonight on TV (never heard of this movie before) I have to say that while I liked the movie, it could have been better.

It had a kinda made-for-TV feel to it when it should have come across like a Broadway play (I'm thinking something like "Deathtrap" here).

And while 'pthomas' is clearly trolling with all the Tarintino comments, I'll say that had Tarantino directed this movie and had a hand in the screenplay, it would have been much better flick. He would have given it the necessary darker edge while making the humor less slapsticky.

It seemed like the actors portraying the young kidnappers didn't get enough in-put from the director and were playing it strictly by the script, (i.e. the nervous guy, the control freak, the dorky nerd, the laid-back guy, the quiet doctor type) thou Walken was great as expected and Dennis Leary is always fun to watch.

They all seemed kinda cardboard-ish and IMO more time should have been spent on fleshing them out and this could have been accomplished by dropping the pointless "surprise visit from the cop" and the flash-back scenes.

As for the ending, I'll agree that killing off Elisa and Max was the best route to take and I'm glad they didn't go with the sappy everybody-lives-happily-ever-after bit.

In fact, I'd have rather seen (or have it implied) that Leary's character offed all the kidnappers, one doesn't kidnap an (ex) mob boss, cut off his finger, demand that he help you and then walk away from it all.

Perhaps there could have been a short scene showing each of the kidnappers being found dead one way or another (car jacking gone bad, hit-and-run "accident", ect) before Walken and Leary showed up on the sail boat in the Caribbean?

Was the movie derivative? Maybe, but IMO just about every movie is derivative (and Tarantino is hardly innocent of that) so that's not really a big deal and I suspect that in typical Hollywood style, the original short story was much better then screenplay and that's where the real problem is.

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[–] freemontsoffice 19 years ago

I ain't trolling my own thread boy. That aside, you seem to be on the right track.

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

Man, your vagina must really be hurting right now. You sound like such a little girl:

"Wah! I didn't like the movie and I deserve my money back, wah! I'm a little princess, and I must be entertained, wah!"

It's very obvious that you're familiar with IMDb. If you're such a high-maintenance nancy-boy when it comes to your standards in entertainment, why don't you excercise the common sense that even retards posess and do a minute or two of research on a film before wasting your "hard-earned money". If you cry this hard over $2.50, I imagine you make about what, $12,000 a year?

Blind-buying or blind-renting a movie is a gamble, and you shouldn't be gambling if you're going to cry like a little girl every time you lose.

And I'm not attacking your opinion of the film, either, just your crybaby attitude. I'll leave "your" office now; I'll let you get back to emptying the trash as well as your other custodial duties.

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

You really are one boring miserable little piece of *beep* I hope everybody around you tells you that as often as possible.

Get out of my office amateur.

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

Nice comeback. Took you a couple of weeks to come up with that, huh? I'll try not to own you so thouroughly next time. I will admit, though, I am the amateur, here. You are, after all, a master of the custodial arts, right?

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

It took a couple weeks because it's been at least that long since I checked my spambucket (Hotmail). Sometimes I wish this thread would go away. People like you are the reason why. You're boring and witless. All this effort to call me a janitor. Heh.

This is a movie forum. Talk about the crappy movie or fook off youngun. Better yet just piss off. This thread is for l337 moviegoers only.

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

Took very little effort, actually. You're the one who has gone to great lengths to prove what a bleeding vag you are.

And I was discussing the movie, or at least your sophomoric and moronic reactions to it.

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

What's a vag? A vagina?

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

Something I'm sure you're wholly unfamiliar with, but yes, "vag" is slang for "vagina".

Checking that "spambucket" pretty often know, aren't ya'?

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

I changed the email these are sent to.

So do you pronounce it "vaj" or "vag" like "fag"?

p.s. I looked at Suicide Kings on cable recently and it sucks even more than the first two times I watched it.

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

That would be like "vaj". I never said it was the greatest movie on Earth, just that maybe you should accept the fact that movies aren't always a sure thing. I enjoyed Suicide Kings as I thought the premise was interesting, and while I found many of the performances lackluster, I do enjoy Walken and Leary quite a bit, and Galecki good for a laugh here and there.

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

Of course they're not a sure thing, I need you to tell me that?? Sometimes they're worthwhile, sometimes they're not. Of course.

Sometimes, they're "so bad they're good", otherwise known as "unintentionally funny". For example Roadhouse or Cobra or my favorite, Plan 9.

Others are just plain bad. Independence Day. Jaws 4. These left me with nothing. One can tell that no real thought went into them.

Others are so bad that they piss me off. They start getting on my nerves early and never let up. Lost in Space was one. Ghost. Suicide Kings is another. I didn't come here to make the point that movies aren't a sure thing, I came here to say that this stupid movie got on my farkin nerves. In fact I'm not sure where I'd post a message about how movies aren't a sure thing. Maybe on a message board that doesn't pertain to any specific movie or person, dunno, duncare, but that's where it'd belong.

So this is a public forum, I can gripe all the fluck I want, and I don't want any more these *beep* newbie complaints in my thread. You've said your piece now begone bwooy.

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[–] TheOriginalFakeShemp 18 years ago

"So this is a public forum, I can gripe all the fluck I want,"

And in kind you're whining will be noted and pointed out, seeing as it's a public forum.

"I don't want any more these *beep* newbie complaints in my thread."

So if someone disagrees with you, they're a newbie, huh? New to what, the school of whining when you're disappointed?

"You've said your piece now begone bwooy."

I may have said my piece, but I certainly won't be ordered away, least of all by a mung-chaser.

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[–] freemontsoffice 18 years ago

How telling that you've chosen to respond only to non-movie-related remarks of mine.

You're a sad sad sad bastard who probably wears glasses and watches Star Trek.

Get out of my office before I catch your acne.

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[–] stephan-128 11 years ago

I checked out the OP's profile. There are over 20 comments about this thread over a 2 year period, and one other comment about any other movie ever. Odd.

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[–] raymondunc 9 years ago

Girls,

Give it a rest!

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