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I totally love this movie. But I hated . . . [spoilers]


I have fallen in love with this movie, I have inhaled, absorbed, internalized it to the point that I can quote and sing it pretty much verbatim. I've drawn up timelines, analyzed the color palette of the costumes, all of this pretty much in isolation because NO ONE else is posting or, apparently, thinking about this movie--I guess I'm about 12 years too late. It is really the most romantic movie I can think of and time after time leaves me breathless and in an endorphin-induced state of bliss.

Nevertheless there is a huge section of the movie that I absolutely hate, something that Fletcher does that I think is unbelievably stupid and totally out of character with Fletcher as I envision him. Here it is:

Within a day or two after bringing Ros to San Antonio (and after knowing her for only a day), he subjects her to a party where she meets (1) his "oddball, cracker" friends, (2) his nosy grandmother who makes far too many assumptions about Ros and Ros's acceptance of Fletcher, and (3) a large social group all of whom seem to know (or assume) things about her, when she knows nothing about them. This is SO out of keeping with the character of Fletcher as I understand him. I know that had I been her, I would have run screaming from that garden party long before I got buttonholed by Celeste Holm in that lovely indoor patio.

As I understand Fletcher's character, he is not perfect, he is floundering about trying to figure out how to make her fall in love with him. But his instincts are pretty much spot-on as he teases, flirts and romance-talks her to a fever pitch of desire. He brings her back to San Antonio where he can have more control of her and to introduce her to his way of living. The metaphor of a puppeteer is a little crude, but that is exactly what he is--and very effectively up to a certain point in the story--controlling her feelings (emotional as well as sensual) by keeping her aroused and unfulfilled, and refusing to give her the thing that she claims to want (sex) until he knows that what she is really giving him is her soul, not just her body.

That stupid party literally ruins everything and I just don’t think it is something Fletcher would have done. Granted it is a movie and some kind of a conflict/crisis had to arise out of which the final resolution would come, but the crisis could have been precipitated from an event that didn’t completely take the movie off course. Rather than the (stupid) party the screen time could have been used to develop the romance, and especially to explore those dreams that the two shared. I also felt that we were cheated from hearing Fletcher's full exposition of the "family trait" and his own dreams--interrupted by the beer delivery and the party! Aaargh! How much better if he could have completed it at the table with Ros, when she is going along with it, rather than later, when she is fighting him and he uses his "vision" as a trump card (and fails).

I guess the bottom line for me is I wish the director/writer had developed the relationship more deeply, that we had had an opportunity to see what happened when they discovered that they had the same dreams (that could easily have been the crisis that would precipitate Ros’s running away).

I’m just sorry that the director made some bad choices when good choices were easily within his grasp. He could have presented a more persuasive case for Ros to fall in love with Fletcher.

As it is, I fast forward from the moment the beer is delivered to the moment that Fletcher and Ros start their final scenes together (the argument in the "Ida room" and outdoors, culminating when Ros asks for Fletcher's keys). I really like Toby Huss (he’s great in this as Cameron, as well as as one of the ubiquitous companions in “Bedazzled”) but his tamale speech is just pathetic, as is much of the dialogue through the party scene.


You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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I think you made some really good points about the party... but it is there for several reasons, one is that San Antonians love their parties (& tamales) and it is kind of an old-fashioned tradition to have a party for a visiting guest. It also allows the Jim Cullum band to play the Chopin piece, and it is when Roz figures out he's not the mark. Plus the executive producer has bit part in the scene!

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hmmm . . . JFrobinson . . . either you are the director or you are POSING as the director, but you write with too much authenticity to be a poser!

I kinda figured there were "local color" reasons for the party itself and for much that happens in it.

Well, at least she came back--that's what counts, right?



You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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I think you have over analyzed this movie. I loved the party scene. When I lived in SA I wished someone would have invited me to one of these parties! My husband was stationed there for only 2 years and I loved every minute of it. His farewell party was on St. Patricks Day on a dinner cruise at the River Walk and the river was dyed green. I guess that is one reason I love, love, love this movie! and the quirky characters.

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over-analyzed . . . are you kidding? I didn't even go to film school.

I think every director has to decide . . . is he making a love-poem to his home town, or is he making a movie?



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Maybe over-analyzed is a bit harsh. But no, I'm not kidding and I am a fan of good movies. And this is a good movie and I vote for love-poem! since I lived in SA.

I have to disaggree with you on this point:
"I guess the bottom line for me is I wish the director/writer had developed the relationship more deeply, that we had had an opportunity to see what happened when they discovered that they had the same dreams (that could easily have been the crisis that would precipitate Ros’s running away)."

Had the director developed the relationship more deeply, ie discussion of the dreams, the movie would have been longer and some scenes would have to be cut short or cut out altogether. Finding out she missed her mark and feeling stupid was reason enough for her to cut out of the party and Fletcher's life.





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It is really wonderful just to have someone on the board (other than the person who either is or is pretending to be the director) that I think I'm not going to disagree with you about anything anymore. I love this movie. It's just like everything else, however, I love it with reservations!

I mean, how many people do you know who have even seen this movie, let alone troubling to track down a discussion board? So I'm satisfied with ANYTHING you have to say, wrightx6 since I have been waiting about four months for anyone to respond at all!

I wish I had seen San Antonio. The movie makes it look like a wonderful place to live. I knew some people from there who raved about it as the most wonderful place in the world. I've never felt that way about any place that I have lived, having lived mostly in suburbs of big cities.

Also I peeked at your profile, and I've never met anyone else who has seen Don Juan de Marco, another of my favorite underrated movies. I watched that because I am a Depphead, and it was Fraser-fandom that brought me eventually to watch Still Breathing.



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I love this movie. I have loaned this out to some friends and they can't get past the collage scene at the beginning of the movie. ~sigh~ I am thinking about having a "girls movie night" and showing it.

I am a pre-POTC Depphead. Loved him in Chocolat...bad accent and all. Benny and Joon is another fav. My daughter even appreciates Don Juan de Marco.

Another great and under watched movie is Enchanted April.

My father was in the Air Force and so was my husband and of all the places I've lived SA has to be may favorite.

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Hey Brain Cloud, I read your original post months ago, and have composed my response to you many times while I walk my dog a 6 in the morning.
I could talk about still breathing for days....
I just spend tooo much time on a computer at work, so I am all typed out at night.
Anyhow, party scene, I lived in a tiny town in Canada for ten years, (where I had no cable and had my film festivals) and I think the party scene works.
I can think of a few times when a much anticipated guest arrived at a neighbours house, and the best defense again nosy neighbours was a house party, so all can meet and greet and stop speculating.
Specifally a fellow named Nick from London,(my landlords 20 yearold daughter met him overseas and told everyone she was going to marry him) who at his welcome party wore a plaid shirt and sang "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay" and everyone approved greatly!
So party scene works on small town level too.


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My problem with the film is that a guy like Fletcher wouldn't fall for someone as cold and snotty as Roz.


I guess part of the deal is that, no matter how she acts ("how can you possibly like me the way I am??!!!"), Fletcher sees who she really is under that act. And I guess that Roz (the one he sees with his magic eyes) is the one who comes back.


You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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It is just nice to discuss an obscure film with someone who knows it as well as we both do!
I think Fletcher is crazy like a fox, Roz comes back because she is so damn curious to see what it is he sees in her.
My only concern as the film winds down is - how long will Roz be happy in SA with a bunch of crackers, I fear she will break Fletchers heart by wandering off, I cannot really beleive she will be happy playing tuba in SA for the rest of her life. I believe she would be happy for five +/- years, and then I think I am over anylizing the whole darn thing!!!!!!!

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I think she comes back because he has kept her on a leash of desire. In spite of her coldness and reservations she really wants him. He has awakened desire in her that she's never felt before and that he deliberately refused to satisfy.

I actually think it might work out as well as anything ever does. I don't think Roz likes her life in L.A.

I like to think that he lives on a huge trust fund and they can just spend the rest of their lives travelling. I can't see them settling into domesticity.

You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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Niki from the BFFC took Rick O'Connell doll and created a series of photos from the dolls perspective where Fletcher would have been at the Alamo. Very cute. I wish I new how to find it.


ha ha, very funny, I'd love to see that. IS there a Rick O'connell doll? I'm going to have to track one of those down! Ebay I guess . . .

I actually found references to those photos you are talking about, but they lead to abandoned links. Love to see them!



You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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well thank you. I am honored that you spent so much dog-walking time preparing to respond to my post.

I think the problem was Roz's response to the party. She was still that "L.A. gal," cold and suspicious and totally unprepared for a big warm welcome. I like your point about the party being a defense, but Roz just wasn't having it.

But of course, the bottom line is--she came back.

You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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Hey brain cloud I finally figured out that you meant THIS Stil Breathing board. I kept looking on the Still Breathing website for some kind of message boards.

DUH!!!

Now that I am here I'd like the first thing I say to be that I totally agree with you about the party. That scene really threw my movie-watching mojo off. Sort of puts Ros in the position of being a performing curio on display for all his cronies. Even if it is a San Antonio tradition it seems Fletcher would have given her a heads up about it.

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I think it's just my urban background (I'm from L.A. too!) that makes me feel as I do. I liked the responses that I got from robinson (the director I guess) and wright--which defended the scene really well. Especially the notion that the party is an "anti-gossip" device.

But even so Fletcher would have to have completely misread Ros to believe that she would tolerate that kind of a social set-up.

But HEY REN welcome to this board! There's not a lot of action, but when it happens, it's very good.

Still Breathing was probably the first Brendan movie that I absolutely fell in love with, although I reached a point (as I probably said earlier) where I just skipped everything from the beer delivery to the confrontation between Ros and Fletcher. I DO wish that the scene in the kitchen had been developed more. So much is left unsaid.

Back to BF . . . I have an idea for a thread . . .

You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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I've enjoyed reading the back and forth on this post.Brendon Fraser is on of the few actors that is great at serious and comedy roles. Keep up your posting.I'm reading here in Virginia Beach.

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I like what you wrote. I haven't ever analyzed the movie this thoroughly and I really don't agree about the party scene. But, it's interesting that you brought up the puppeteer as a metaphor. I didn't see it as a metaphor for his character pulling Roz's strings. I think he just allowed Roz to think whatever it is she was thinking until he could really tell her what would essentially send the average person away screaming. I didn't see it as controlling at all, or manipulating her. I thought of it as a metaphor for fate bringing them together and interfering with the path their lives.

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