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this movie annoyed me on so many levels.

posted 19 years ago by signe-8
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I bet it's one of those movies where you have to be in the right mood to enjoy it. However, I just could not stand it, and stopped watching about 1/3 into the movie.

first of all, Robin Wright Penn's voice made me want to kill her. I hope her voice isn't like that in real life, but I wouldn't know, I have only seen her in one other movie, and can't remember what her voice sounded like. But anyway....

second, she is smokng and drinking while she's pregnant, something I can't overlook and try and enjoy the movie. I can't get over that.

Next, they were all so DUMB! I couldn't LIKE any of the charactors, because they were just so.....stupid. And he was just nuts.

I mean the acting was perfectly great, but the story, the story was just awful. Actually, they were sort of adorable, once you got over how messed up they were. So, yeah, just posting, horribly bored, nothing to do, and this takes care of it for 5 minutes. So................... reply or whatever, if you'd like. I'll probably forget I ever posted and won't respond, but anyway......

In order to be irreplaceable, one must always be different. -Coco Chanel

[–] peej115 19 years ago

What are you on about?!your'e entitled to your opinion but you switched off 1/3 of the way through!At least watch the whole film,so she was smoking while pregnant,who cares,it's not exactly real life,it's a movie!Yeah Robin Wright Penn was dumb and Sean Penn a few sandwiches short of a picnic but that's why i liked it.Maybe you didn't really get the irony in it,and the humour was great.When Eddy went to the hairdressers LOL...Sean Penn's performance was outstanding(business as usual)Really enjoyed this film.

8/10

[–] clockwork_orange2001 19 years ago

Great film... crude, black, twisted humour! Sean Penn delivers another fantastic performance! I thoroughly enjoyed the film from beginning to end. I know everyone hated Robin Wright Penn in the film for leaving her husband and returning to Sean, but they were made for each other. This was the best scenario for everyone. So in an odd sick way, there was a happy ending.

I think that silent films got a lot more things right than talkies. --Stanley Kubrick

[–] adamforsman 19 years ago

i dont like this movie but does anybody know the name of the song James Gandolfini plays when he takes Sean Penns girl in his apartment and beats her?

[–] swanrj1 19 years ago

What everyone seems to be overlooking is that this film is actually a John Cassavetes film. He wrote the script and was going to direct but he died before they could do the movie. If you watch the rest of John Cassavetes films you will have a better understanding of the world that his characters inhabit, a world where all of the "dumb" behavior and contradictions not only make sense, but are absolutely crucial.
P.S. If anyone asks "Who is John Cassavetes?", I will reach through the monitor and choke them into a coma. Thank you.

[–] Jg7 19 years ago

' P.S. If anyone asks "Who is John Cassavetes?", I will reach through the monitor and choke them into a coma. Thank you. '

LOL , Beautiful - very good ................. ! Sjonny.

[–] podwilliams 18 years ago

LMAO@If anyone asks "Who is John Cassavetes?", I will reach through the monitor and choke them into a coma. Thank you.

Beautifully put.

The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep.

[–] abelcher13 17 years ago

every time someone mmentions john cassavettes i just wanna yell 11 at the top of my lungs.

[–] txd131 17 years ago

so who is John Cassavetes?

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[–] ActorMan22 17 years ago

The fact that John Cassavetes wrote it makes me lower my opinion of Cassavetes, NOT raise my opinion of the movie.

[–] Ankhenaten91 17 years ago

This movie was one of the single worst I have EVER seen! First there isn't one likeable character in it. Sean Penn is just disgusting. I saw it on the first days it came out and I walked out.

[–] wolverene13 17 years ago

That's the point though. You're not really SUPPOSED to like any of them. They are there to gawk at. Like Jerry Springer or a car accident. Not good people or things, but still interesting because they are all screwed up.

[–] [email protected] 12 years ago

For you I suggest "Bambi", "Sissi"and "the Sound of Music"

They are all likeable characters and will not disturb your sleep.

[–] nursewhitman 12 years ago

I agree. It was hard to get through the whole thing.

[–] sfrsez 11 years ago

yes, its amazing how easily penn plays such an ugly person. and its not coz hes a good actor

[–] sfrsez 10 years ago

so true ank. are we supposed to feel sypmathy for this disgusting socio midget?. good filiming , wright and travolta were great.

[–] wolverene13 17 years ago

John died while writing the script. The rest of the directing and writing was done by his son, Nick. It would have been a great movie if it weren't all piece mealed together like that.

[–] rorygunn 8 years ago

John didn't write this..he wrote the original script which his hack of a son Nick then took and re-wrote int this garbage and stuck his father's name on it to make everyone think that his father wrote it..

[–] rorygunn 8 years ago

If you knew who John Cassavetes was then you would know that this ceased being a John Cassavetes film after his hack son Nick got a hold of it and butchered the original script with his hellish re-writes and stuck his father's name on it in order to con everyone into believing that this was a John Cassavetes film script when it wasn't...

[–] amandapoopie 18 years ago

haha

[–] sunryse 18 years ago

>>>I know everyone hated Robin Wright Penn in the film for leaving her husband and returning to Sean,>>>

Yeah, everyone except for her CHILDREN. But as long as they were 'made for each other' and all....

[–] neil_mc 19 years ago

I would like to say that there was black humour in this film, but apart from some obvious "shut up and drink your beer" lines to the 9 yr old daughter, there wasn't.

John Travolta was OTT and was very good. But he's the only one.

"Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try."

[–] Stuntrocker 19 years ago

Actually I felt Travolta was his usual "Revolta" self in this film.
I loved everyone elses performance in this film, especially Harry Dean Stanton who is one of the greatest living American actors!

[–] spider_guy85 18 years ago

Who is John Cassavetes?",

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[–] LITDEBCAK 18 years ago

I CANT BELIEVE AS A CATHOLIC YOU COULD SAY THAT GOING BACK IS A GOOD THING. SHE IS LEAVING ALL HER CHILDREN BEHIND A HUSBAND THAT WORSHIPS HER HAS CALMED HER DOWN IN HER THOUGHTS. THE CHILDREN ARE BEAUTIFUL AND ADORE HER. MAYBE YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MOVIE AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. LEAVE THIS AND GO BACK TO NOTHING. BEING RAPED ALONE BECAUSE YOUR HUSBAND IS OUT OF HIS MIND. I CANT BELIEVE AS A CATHOLIC OR A CHRISTINA YOU COULD EVER OK THAT. NO WAY.

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[–] jakekelly 18 years ago

I hated this movie as well. I cannot stand people who smoke and drink while they are pregnant. It's just in bad taste. I know it's a movie but, oh well, fooey on it. If I see something I don't like I turn it off. I still haven't seen Jaws all the way through because that poor little boy gets eaten on that raft and I didn't think they had to kill a little boy just to prove that the shark was dangerous.

[–] wolverene13 17 years ago

News flash: Robin Wright Penn is not ACTUALLY pregnant in the film, nor do they ACTUALLY kill a little boy in Jaws. That is the purpose of a movie; it is fiction. It is there to entertain you and bring you into a world that does not exist. You are part of the reason censorship exists. But, I will say you do have the right idea in one respect. If you don't like something, turn it off. We don't need people telling us what we can and can not see.

[–] wolverene13 17 years ago

Holy hell, lady relax. Not all of us are Bible-thumping sheep who do everything they're told. Live a little. Bottom line, it's a MOVIE. Thank God people like you don't blindly follow movies as much as you do the Bible, or the world would be in horrible shape.

[–] crash_into_me420 18 years ago

i couldn't agree more. what an INCREDIBLY ANNOYING film. Robin Wright is actually mind-bogglingly annoying here... it's not even just her voice but her apparent need to show her upper teeth at ALL times. Could she have made herself look any less appealing ?

even Sean Penn embarrasses himself in this one... i can only surmise that he let himself waste his time on it because of his love for Robin who must've seen something in the material? Whatever that might be.

Just a totally banal, worthless project.

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[–] skatterbrane 18 years ago

I agree, this movie should've been titled "She's a Piece of Crap".

[–] bwfc9 18 years ago

In retrospect, or morning after review, I thought this was a fair movie. Not sure what the message from Cassevetes was, but my first words to my girlfriend as the credits rolled was: Well I guess the moral of this story was, Once trash, always trash. referring the the character played by Robin Penn and extending to her friends. They come from a trashy existence of urban slums, cigarettes and booze. It shows why these people have little or no chance to get out, cos even when they physicall transfer, mentally they can't. It's also why stupid black people in the ghettos can't get out, even if they are intelligent enough to SEE there is another life out there, they are still to stupid to mentally make the jump. Okat that does not make much sense but you get the drift!!

[–] adpolonsky 18 years ago

have you looked in the mirror recently? noticed anything? probably not as that phallus growing out of your forehead's been there for ages, no doubt. your pop psychology might work on your girlfriend when you want to get laid, but shows your true colours to everyone else. in a word, bigot.

[–] bls1-2 13 years ago

Yeah, my thoughts of the moral of the story was,

You can take Maureen out of the pond scum, but you can't take the pond scum out of Maureen.

[–] activista 10 years ago

@bwfc9

"Stupid black people"? For your information, you stupid *beep* bigot, the only reason a lot of people can't get out of the ghetto is because they can't afford to, or can't find any jobs in those particular area because they tend to be economically depressed as hell. And trust me, some of them want to get the hell out--especially if the area's unsafe as hell to live in.Nice way to generalize and spout off some stupid racist s***, as usual. And black people are not the only ones who live in ghettos, FYI---do the damn research.

[–] toulous_lautrec 18 years ago

I agree, this movie should've been titled "She's a Piece of Crap".

Tee hee! ~ KH

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[–] simsant77 18 years ago

This movie had a lot of potential especially in the begining with the Penns, but the core of the movie was Maureen and for the middle section of the movie she is not in it. The movie becomes about Eddie, which is where I felt the movie started to come apart. Then Travolta is introduced and all he does is ham it up for the camera. To me he wasn't convincing at all. Maureen is practically a mute, I didn't think the character had to go that far over to the other side because she is with Travolta. The movie has its moments but it is far from excellent.

[–] Mnk! 18 years ago

It was an excellently acted and nicely directed movie and a pretty good script - except I cannot in any way empathise with a woman who could be so utterly selfish as to walk out on three innocent children in order to go back to her first husband - and even leave their legitimate child behind! What kind of morality is this? Yes, of course, in real life this does happen, but surely the romanticised shot at the end of the picture and the whimsical music laid over it subtally endorses their monumentaly selfish act. So, nice, while her children weep, she can get majestically laid that night, and lots of other nights, and wash it all down with more liquor while smoking herself to death. No matter how much she loved her first husband, a mother, even a pathetic one like that, must put her children first. And you don't have to be a good Catholic to hold to that, by the way.

[–] xgingerxsnappedx 18 years ago

I thought this movie was brilliantly acted and put together. The black humour appealed to me, and the script was mainly very good. However, what I like most of all about this movie was the portrayal of the characters, their imperfections (and there was a HELL of a lot of those) were magnified for the audience to see in all their disgusting glory.

Eddy was mentally ill, Maureen was a weak willed, whining addict, Shorty was a chain smoker, Joey was aggressive and all of these major character faults were blatantly exposed to the audience for all to gawp at.

Yes, Eddy loved Maureen and yes, she loved him, but at the end of the day, they were all they had, she felt she needed him to cling to a shred of her humanity, and vice versa. In short, the two addicts could never give up their biggest and most serious habit: each other. Not even their own children could divert them from their ultimately selfish (Mnk!) quest of existing with each other.

I did like the touch of the light-hearted music at the end though, it was deeply ironic as Maureen and Eddy probably would've ended their days drugged up to the eyeballs in the gutter. How lovely =]

[–] BethH24 18 years ago

i'm surprised she didnt get over him after ten years though

[–] photoseller 17 years ago

exactly. and what kind of a person would so easily dump her 3 young children for some drunken phycho leaving a man who loves her and who provides very well for her, how screwed up is that.

“Do not fear death... only the unlived life.” - Natalie Babbitt

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[–] wolverene13 17 years ago

Irony is the key here. Not intended to be a morality tale.

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[–] photoseller 17 years ago

I Agree with you, Robin never was close to the equal of her husband Sean Penn, Forrest Gump was the only movie in which I thought she did a very good job acting, I am a big fan of John Travolta but this was for sure not his best work.

“Do not fear death... only the unlived life.” - Natalie Babbitt

[–] lizardkxng 17 years ago

Great movie and people do dump others as she did for for Penn all the time thats life.

[–] pocomarc 15 years ago

This excuse for a movie STUNK.

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