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sorry, i've never seen this movie. im not sure if i want to after reading the summary. why would you want to seduce your own dad??? what on earth is wrong with this character?

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maybe she wants to be loved.

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so do i, but i wouldnt sleep with a relative

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Yeah, how sick.

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Well, it's probably because she most likely has a mental illness;

the Electra Syndrome is a problem that is actually diagnosed, where a girl wants to be with their father,
as the Oedipus syndrome exists for men wanting to be with their mothers.

I don't think it was simply that she thought, 'Hey, my dad's really cute. Let's kill my mom so I can have him.' It was a combination of things... perhaps the need to be loved, or a mental imbalance.

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I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the input.

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this is what I wanna know...did the father lust or whatever after Ellie??? like i sooo didnt get how he didnt send her to an institute or something b/c all the signs that she LIKED him were in front of his face!
please help lol

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It's just a movie.

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I just saw the movie this morning on Lifetime Movies and all the clues were there for the daughter's twisted attraction to her father:

The mother did the "tough love" thing with the older daughter, Ellie, while the father was overly permissive toward her. Then there was the fact that both parents were unfaithful to each other. Ellie actually witnessed her mother's liaison with the next-door neighbor, Lawson, and the viewer can infer from Ben's and Lena's dinner conversation after Karen's murder that they were intimate before his wife was killed. In fact, Ben probably promised Lena that he would divorce Karen and marry Lena. Remember the "green card" remark that Lena made?

And it's not shown, but Ben acknowledges that he's crossed the line by occupying the same bed with his daughters after his wife's death, first with the two of them, then that night on the sofa with Ellie. That why Ellie had the power to blackmail him into sending Lena away after his wedding to Lena.

So, the whole family was totally messed up. It's not difficult to understand why Ellie easily fell into that trap of first admiring dad because she was his favorite and he spoiled her, then missing him when he was staying away in the evenings, probably with Lena, and--from her point of view--mom was just mean to her and dad! Perfectly fertile ground for an Electra complex!

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Debbie Jordan

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I don't think Ben crossed the line by allowing his daughters to sleep in his bed after their mother's murder. A situation like that can cause serious fear and trauma. And when he cuddled up to Ellie, he thought it was Karen - he was asleep after all. The family bed can be a very comforting situation, especially after a trauma such as the one that family had just experienced.

BUT.

The couch situation was entirely different. There was something very sexual about the way they lay together, and that whole conversation they had before falling asleept (the "kiss me like a movie star" talk) was disgusting. Was she implying that he stuck his tongue in her mouth? Ugh. And even if he didn't, bending you daughter backward and pressing your lips against hers ala Bergman/Bogart is just plain inappropriate and borderline pedophilia.

What a weird, twisted movie.

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And it's not shown, but Ben acknowledges that he's crossed the line by occupying the same bed with his daughters after his wife's death, first with the two of them, then that night on the sofa with Ellie. That why Ellie had the power to blackmail him into sending Lena away after his wedding to Lena.


Are you joking?? How is sleeping in a bed with your kids after their mother's death "crossing the line"? My sister and I slept in the bed with our mom when something really bad/scary happened at night. Is it okay because she's a woman...? It's not a big deal because sleeping in a bed with your parent isn't a crime. It isn't wrong. It is implied that they had sex that night on the couch. Why else would Ellie say that she'd tell Lena about the mole on his left cheek? His reaction made it obvious that they had sex. He starts letting her do whatever she wants after that.

-- I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been

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It's the Electra complex

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I've read all the posts here, and with regard to the "Electra" and "Oedipus" syndromes, I want to say that the Electra syndrome is, in my estimation anyhow, probably much more common. My mother was a wonderful person, and I loved her with all my heart, but I can say with all honesty that I didn't want to diddle her. My dad, though... Well, come to think of it, I didn't want to diddle him, either. I mean, not even a little bit.

Listen, I've had a little something to drink tonight, just forget I said anything. :-[

Terence

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wow.. im sorry i just cant see trying to seduce my dad.. thats very very sick and gross..i love julia stiles but this movie..ranks

Whats your damage heather?-veronica sawyer

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I wouldn't want to murder my parents, beat my kids or wife or sleep with my parents, but those things do happen and an actor shouldn't be judge harshly for portraying a character, that's what they do... That wasn't Julia's story or her wishes, it was a character she played...

Bill Steward

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she was mentally insane basically...



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