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Who can help me here with this? I'm confused about the various factions. Here is what I have gathered so far - is it correct?

Serbs: Dennis Quaid starts movie on their side. Are Eastern Orthodox Catholic. Use Cyrillic alphabet? They have the eagle patch on one arm and a circle patch with colors (from the top) red, blue, white on the other arm.

Bosnians: Muslims. Do they wear something green in the scene where they are rounding up Vera's family? Not sure of their uniform insignia.

Croats: Roman Catholics. Their arm patch looks like it has a bunch of little dots on it - is this supposed to be building blocks or a castle or something? The big ugly guy in the river scene who had the bag of golf clubs (and other clubs) - was he supposed to be a Croat?

UN Soldiers - wear light blue helmets - supposedly from all over and probably are all sorts of religions.

Are the Serbs, Bosnians, and Croats all each fighting the other two factions?

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>>>Serbs: Dennis Quaid starts movie on their side. Are Eastern Orthodox.
Use Cyrillic alphabet?

Correct. It's not quite the same as the Russian cyrillic alphabet apparently. We can also add that traditionally Serbia has been protected by Russia (e.g. the First World War, and more recently it was diplomatically supported by Russia during the Kosovo war) while Croatia has traditionally had close links with Germany (it was part of Austria-Hungary, and more recently it's independence was sponsored by Germany). The two nations have (supposedly) fallen seperately into the Eastern and Western spheres of influence accordingly, hence many of the cultural differences.

>>>They have the eagle patch on one arm and a circle patch with colors (from the top) red, blue, white on the other arm.

The Red, White & Blue tricolore is the insignia of the JNA (Yugoslavia People's Army). The Bosnian Serbs had objected to Bosnia's independence so they were effectively a Yugoslav Loyalist faction.

>>>Bosnians: Muslims.

Many would argue that all parties were 'Bosnians' in this conflict (indeed, some Serbs stayed in Sarajevo to get shelled by their 'brothers', and some served with the Bosnian government, as they felt their loyalties were with their homeland, not with the country that was their ethnic homeland), so the term used for the ethnic Bosnian Muslims these days is 'Bosniaks'. Initially at least, the 'Bosnian' forces were not necessarily just Muslim, they were anybody who wanted Bosnia to be independent and was prepared to fight for the Bosnian government.

>>>Croats: Roman Catholics. Their arm patch looks like it has a bunch of little dots on it - is this supposed to be building blocks or a castle or something?

It's a red & white (red and 'silver' apparently) chequered shield. This also appears on the Croatian flag. Bear in mind, the guys at the end by the lake are Bosnian Croat paramilitaries, not from a regular army.

>>>The big ugly guy in the river scene who had the bag of golf clubs (and other clubs) - was he supposed to be a Croat?

Yep. These guys are all Croats. Ironically these scenes are re-used in the film 'Behind Enemy Lines', in which they are presented as if they're Serbs (on the grounds that they're killing civilians, even though their insignia are still visible. Who ever said Hollywood was simplistic..!).

>>>UN Soldiers - wear light blue helmets - supposedly from all over and probably are all sorts of religions.

Correct. I couldn't tell you the exact composition of the UN Forces in Bosnia at that time, but as you say they came from all over.

>>>Are the Serbs, Bosnians, and Croats all each fighting the other two factions?

Basically. At the start of the Bosnian war, there was a Croat paramilitary force in Bosnia, the HVO (Croat Defence Council) which fought against the Bosnian Serbs, at the same time as the Bosnian Government were fighting the Bosnian Serbs. Notionally the Croats and Bosnians were allies at first, but in late 1992 the Croats turned on the Bosnians (not unexpectedly).

Later, the Croats and Bosnians ceased hostilities and acting together were able to present a united front against the Serbs. Indeed, today Bosnia is divided into a Serbian half (Republika Srpska) and a Bosnian/Croat half. This is not to say that Bosnian/Croat enmity doesn't persist - Mostar is still pretty much divided along these lines, apparently.

Bear in mind also that the Bosnian Serbs received military assistance from Serbia, as the Croats did from Croatia.

All a bit of a big mess really. I'm sure there inaccuracies in the above which passers by may wish to correct.

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Well rather good explenations combatreview. Only detail i can help to clarify a bit better is the armpatch question of serbs in Bosnia.


>>>The Red, White & Blue tricolore is the insignia of the JNA (Yugoslavia People's Army). The Bosnian Serbs had objected to Bosnia's independence so they were effectively a Yugoslav Loyalist faction.

JNA's armpatch colours was(from the top) Blue, White, Red, whilst the one msuspartan describes is the Republika Srpska's armpatch, red, blue, white. Same colours as the Serbian flag, and on other arm the coat of arms of Serbia (two headed eagle). These was not patches of Republic of Serbia(Serbia proper), but Republika Srpska(serbs in Bosnia) wich should not be mixed up.

Heres a link to patches from Republika Srpska, and others if you fiddle around with the link. Maby you could find the one you saw and we would know what unit it was :)

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/World-Militaria/republic-srpska.html

>>>UN Soldiers - wear light blue helmets - supposedly from all over and probably are all sorts of religions.

Well Bosnia was divided in several parts between UN forces. And those sectors was usually handled by a specific UN nation. So if you would be interested to find out what nationality was a majority in an UN-sector it would be somewhat easy to find out.

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It's interesting to see someone apparently up to speed.

What I would like to add as a question : were at any time people in Bosnia (or elsewhere) opposing people of their ethnicity. Like for instance Bosnian Serbs fighting against Serbs from Serbia?

The question comes up as I just read that in the ten day war that resulted in Slovenian independence, the first casualties were helicopter pilots from the Yugoslav army, ironically one of which was Slovenian...

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Altho i dont have a concrete case to tell you, there surley must have been sutch incidents.

It could be like for example a serb fighting for an independant Bosnia, as he could concider himself "Bosnian" and willingly fight for it even if it would mean he would fight his own ethnicity. Or a croat that wished for Yugoslavia not to dissolve and fought other croats against their wish for independance.

This was probably most likley to happen in similar cases like you mentioned in Slovenia. The Yugoslav peoples army was still somewhat functional and concisted of all nationalities. The first casualtie in Croatia for instance was believed to be an macedonian tankcrew(JNA), as he got pulled off his tank and got strangled by croats. And have in mind that these people had no conflict between them what so ever. Its not an inter-ethnic incidend, but it shows that people could attack eachother regardless of who they were, but more beeing an pro/anti Yugoslav conflict in early stages.

Tho i couldnt give you any numbers, or be sure on how many cases exsisted like this, i would doubt that they were in any larger groups. Still the war's was based on nationalism, and fighting your own side would mean that you never could share your lives with them again. But yes, theres always someone that has his own believes and will fight for it. Strictly in isolated cases imho.

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What about Fikret Abdic's rebellion? I don't know, was his autonomous province ever actually 'at war' with the rest of the Bosniaks when the Bosnian Army went to remove him?

With respect to individual examples, though, I can think of one example immediately. Drazen Erdemovic was found guilty of war crimes for taking part in the mass-executions at Srebrenica (although this was found to have been against his will and under severe duress, for which his sentence was reduced). In fact, although Erdemovic was fighting for Republika Srpska at this time, he had begun in the Yugoslav Army and fought the Croats in Slavonia, before returning to Bosnia where he was drafted by Bosnian Croat HVO, before finally ending up fighting for Republika Srpska. Apparently this was a matter of practicality for the man, rather than politics.

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If I remember correctly the UN soldiers were all dutch, as the rest of the world opted to just stay out of it and let the 3 factions kill eachother but the dutch managed to get peacekeeping forces into the province but were told not to intervene and only to administer aid on behalf of the UN. I'm not sure why the UN exists as it appears to me they do bugger all during global conflicts except watch people kill eachother.





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During the war in Croatia, there were many Serbs fighting side-by-side with Croats against the agressor Yugoslav army (JNA) lead by Serbian communists joined with Chetnicks (Serbian paramilitary forces).
Those Serbs recognized Croatia as their homeland and worth fighting for.

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Yes, but that's a bit strange don't you think?

On one side Croats where killing serbs in the thousands and driving them out of Croatia, and on the other side serbs fought with them?

Hmm i'm not so sure this is true, and still today the serbs living in Croatia are not liked by the Croats...

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The Bosnian Croats are a minority in Bosnia, around 15%, and are worried about their survival in Bosnia. That is why in Bosnia, NOT Croatia, some of them formed an alliance with the Serbs in certain parts. And that's why a few of them want to work with Serbs today - the Bosnian Muslim population is now around 48-50% - up from 42-43% before the war. With the Bosnian Serbs, they - (Croats and Serbs combined) - hold a slight majority. They can work together to prevent legislation which gives the Muslims more power, for instance.

There's been some Muslim immigration to Bosnia and the Catholics (Croats) believe their numbers are falling. Recently a Bosnian Croat Cardinal spoke how the Muslims prevented the Croats from building churches (in areas dominated by the Muslims), prevent them from getting jobs, etc. In other words, the Muslims make it hard for others to survive, so they end up leaving for Croatia or other countries and the population falls.

The Croats also wish they had their own entity - such as the Serbs have the RS (Republika Srpska) - while they are in a "Federation" with the Muslims.

In Croatia it is almost ethnically pure - around 90% Croat - so they don't need to worry about their population being squeezed out.

They are a racist people - especially towards Serbs - and want the country to themselves.

This is an article from earlier this month about Croat concerns:

http://bcc.rcav.org/06-05-15/intl3.htm

Cardinal says Catholics feel threatened in Bosnia

By Regina Linskey, Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- Catholics in Bosnia-Herzegovina feel pressure, threats and discrimination from an unfair political system and from Muslims financially backed by Islamic countries, said the head of the Bosnian bishops' conference.

Successful dialogue between Catholics and Muslims, which is solely "about coexistence," depends on the political situation, Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo told Catholic News Service in a May 2 interview.

During the 1992-1995 war for independence and up to today, radical influences from Eastern Islamic countries infiltrated into Bosnia, the cardinal said through a translator during a visit to Washington.

Bosnian Muslims have access to funding and permits to build their mosques, but Catholics do not have access to either, he said. The cardinal said he has been waiting for a building permit for eight years, whereas "the Muslims, whenever desired, they get" a building permit.

In the Serb republic -- one of the two Bosnian federations divided along ethnic lines since the 1995 Dayton peace accords -- Orthodoxy is the state religion, so it is also financially and politically secure, the cardinal said. The other federation is Muslim- and Croat-controlled. The central federal government has a rotating presidency.

The plight of the country's Croatians -- most of whom are Catholic -- is not really about churches, the cardinal said. Catholics in the country are not protected by the government and the police and do not have a voice in the media; they need employment and infrastructure, he said.

Because Catholics do not have access to the media, there is "no way to get our views across," so it seems like discrimination does not exist, the cardinal said.

Meanwhile, most of the Catholic refugees displaced during the war have not been able to return, he said.

To return to Bosnia-Herzegovina, refugees need to prove to the government that they own land, the cardinal said, "but on the other hand, everything was taken away from them. Documents were burned. ... It's an impossible situation ... it's easier to go to another country."

More than 10 years after the Dayton peace accords, "barely 12,000 of the 220,000 refugees" have returned, he said, adding that international funds designated to help the refugees have not been given to Catholic Croats. The cardinal also said that since Jan. 1 donations to Catholic agencies have been taxed 17 percent by the government.

"All we want is that which the other has," he said. "All we want is the same rights as Muslims and Serbs."

Cardinal Puljic said the Bosnian bishops' conference has proposed constitutional reforms that include multiethnic rights and would squash fears that rights would be "taken away even more."

Sometimes Catholics feel like "we are toys in the hands of great players," the cardinal said.

He said he is concerned with the country's youths, who "do not see any perspective regarding their political future."

Cardinal Puljic told CNS that the actual number of Catholics living in the former Yugoslav republic is unclear, although he estimates that 14 percent of the population of approximately 4.5 million is Catholic. The government has not held a census since before the war, the cardinal said, adding, "They don't want to do that because it (census) will make clear the ethnic cleansing."

While he was in Washington, the cardinal visited the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. He also met with representatives of the U.S. Institute of Peace and discussed interfaith relations, the status of Catholics in Bosnia and constitutional reform.



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If you think that the Muslims are racist when Croats and Serbs burned their homes,killed them and raped their women solely based on their race. Of course they're gonna be spiteful against them, who wouldn't. And just so you know, Republika Srpska shouldn't exist, you dont see Bosniaks having Republika Bosna in Croatia or Serbia.

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The Bosnian Muslim had concentration camps of Serbs in the territory their army controlled - in Tuzla, in Zenica, in Sarajevo, etc.

In the Muslim controlled part of Sarajevo their were scores of rape camps - and often abducted Serb women were held in basements of apartments or restaurants. They also barged into Serb homes and raped the women, killed their parents, then put the women in vans to the rape camps.

Investigators found a Muslim army rape camp operating in Tuzla.

There's no DNA evidence of Serb rape of Muslims, nor are there ever and so-called "rape babies" brought forward and proved.

The Muslim Green Berets started the first killings. They shot at Sarajevo Serbs celebrating a wedding and killed the father of the groom and injured many others.

The Muslims have video tapes of Serbs they decapitated.

The Bosnian Muslims never have any sign of torture on them to back up all their claims. None of them shows they starved - no stunted growth on children who lived there during the entire war.

The staged attacks for the cameras and UN officers have testified over this. They were big at PR and would initiate mortar attacks from around UN compound in Sarajevo to draw Serb fire and get them in trouble.

The Ukrainian officer testifying on this was not angry for the return fire (which was near, but didn't hit their building) because he heard the Muslim OUTGOING mortar first.

They SO LIED and exaggerated about the deaths in that war. The dead have been found to be mostly military.

The number of women and children killed in the Bosnian war is a small percentage - as over 90% were men.

This is a smaller percentage than U.S.-run operation or other wars which always kill more civilians than military - Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

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@ imbrod
That is a big fat lie!

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"Many Serbs actually got medals from the Croatia."

I remember one Serb who fought with the Croat army discovered that his mother was killed by Croats. What a fool he was, and he only realized what Croatia was fighting for when he found the mutilated body of his mother.
Hopefully, that guy is stuck in Croatia - where he is unhappy now due to the realization - and he is never welcomed among Serbs.

That dude made his bed - he must lie in it: he supported the side that killed his mother. The Croats just used him to kill off the Serb population.

Plus I hear that Serbs who fought in Sarajevo on the Muslim side are gradually sneaking over to the RS - as the oppression by the Muslims is growing. Sarajevo is almost completely Muslim now. Even your Croats are gradually leaving.

I have found the article of the Serb who fought throughout the war for Croatia only to find in the end his mother was brutally killed (along with many other Serb civilians of Gospic) by the Croats:

http://www.ex-yupress.com/feral/feral147.html

MY ARMY KILLED MY MOTHER
by Ivica DJIKIC

Feral Tribune, Split, Croatia, February 10, 2001

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"On the night of October 16 a truck came to Smiljansko Polje and started rounding up Serbs. The eyewitnesses have told me that the dogs had been barking terribly, trying to break free from the chains," said Dusko Knezevic, but the people that had arrived in the truck didn't mind. They loaded the truck with Serbs and left.

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"My mother has three bullets in the chest, one bullet in the head, she was hit with an ax in the face and in the chest. The lower part of her body is missing," said Dusko Knezevic. Dusko found out about the death of his mother from Bozic's Slobodni Tjednik [nationalist Croat tabloid published in the early 90s]. Sometime in November or December of that year, his wife Zeljka was reading the magazine, which said that Dusanka Vranes had been murdered in Gospic, and that Mercep's people had killed the Serbs from Gospic (the number stated in the article was between 100 and 200). Dusko's friends soon began to call him in Pula to express condolences. Dusko, however, could not believe that Croatian soldiers had murdered his mother.

"I could not understand that the members of the Croatian army killed my mother while I was on the front, fighting in the same army. I could not understand that... In January 1992 it was clear she was gone, but I still didn't believe she had been killed. I asked some of my friends in Gospic if they knew anything about it, but they told me they knew nothing, and that I should keep my mouth shut," said Dusko Knezevic. Years of unsuccessful search followed. They wrote letters to Tudjman, the Government, the Parliament, the International Red Cross, made many phone calls, but found nothing. Wherever they asked about the murders in Gospic, they were told those were lies and misinformation, and that no executions had happened in Gospic.

During this whole period Knezevic did his job in the 119th brigade of the Croatian Army, but could not advance further from the rank of sergeant, which he brought from the Yugoslav People's Army. According to his superiors, his promotion was directly prevented by General Mirko Norac, at that time the commander of the Fifth Military Region. It is clear why, since precisely this waiter from Sinj, who became the favorite Susak's [the Croatian Defense Minister at the time] general overnight, was the only government in the town in which firing squads for execution of citizens with unsuitable ethnicity had been formed.

Generals Monsters

"I found out about my mother's destiny only a few months ago, when the bodies buried on Lipova Glavica were exhumed and identified. It became clear to me that the National Unity Government knew all about the murders of the innocent people in Gospic, but kept quiet. All of them are responsible for what has happened. I also learnt that Serb scouts had found the bodies on no man's land between Siroka Kula and Gospic. The bodies had been were thrown off a truck and lay in the grass for days," said Dusko Knezevic, who testified in the investigation against Oreskovic and his group on January 15 this year, and who considers the Republic of Croatia the murderer of his mother. He would like to find a lawyer who would sue the state for the murder of Dusanka Vranes...

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No it's not one isolated incident - do you have any reading comprehension? There were many other bodies dumped with his mother. Serbs were being rounded up all over Gospic by TOMISLAV MERCEP's death squads. His right hand man, Miro Bajramovic, detailed what Croats did to Serbs. And the Serbs' bodies show EXTREME mutilation.

Also, the Canadian UN soldiers WITNESSED and have photos of tortured and killed Serbs from the Medak Pocket in 1993.

Croats were animals and so were the head-cutting Bosnian Muslims who also roasted Serbs alive. The mainstream media won't publish the horrible photos. They don't want their pet people to be tarnished.

And Tudjman was a RACIST and he brought back some old Ustashe from South America into his government BEFORE the war started.

And Alija Izetbegovic had been jailed several times LONG BEFORE the war for violence towards Serbs - back in the 1950's for instance - and for wanting and independent Muslim state - he was jailed in the early 1980's for that.

The foreign media FALSELY advertised him as moderate and multicultural - he was not; neither was Tudjman.

They hid the MOUNTAIN of crimes and cleansing against Serb civilians in Croatia and Bosnia.

Remember - your Croats were the most happy Hitler helpers back in the day - and a leopard does not change its spots. The Bosnian Muslims were deemed by the Croats as the "flowers of the Croats" and joined with the Ustashe. Plus the Nazi Himmler had a special project forming brigades of pro-Nazi Bosnian Muslims.

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Tudjman GLOATED on the hundreds of thousands of Serbs being ethnically cleansed during Operation Storm, and did nothing about the months of continued atrocities during its aftermath. This sick and elderly Serbs who didn't flee were often murdered - the UN was finding decapitated elderly Serb men - at the rate of several a week, well in to October.

He made some statement, during Operation Storm, about how they didn't even have time to pack clean underwear.

The statement you mention wasn't sincere and was just an empty statement for the international community. He did write a book and said he was glad his wife was neither a Serb nor a Jew.

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Vukovar and Srebrenica were soldiers allegedly killed by Serbs. Notice there are virtually no women names. And I believe they actually died in the battles which were going on at the time. The media acts like no Croat or Muslim soldiers actually died during the fighting at all - that they all were easily captured and killed POW style.

There are no available autopsy reports for these soldiers/men available for the public or for the defense. Official autopsy reports could help genuinely determine if they died in battle, accidents or POW-style.

Plus, you ignore that SERBIAN CIVILIANS were killed in Vukovar and Srebrenica before the killings of the Muslim and Croat soldiers.

Check out Croat Tomislav Mercep and what HE STARTED in Vukovar. Croats started the killings - the began arresting, torturing, and killing Serbs in May 1991.

Also, the Muslims had a HUGE army in Srebrenica - it was a military base. Their commander Naser Oric bragged about killing Serbs and destroying their villages all around Srebrenica.

The Srebrenica Muslims looted and burned down scores of Serbian villages in the area in 1992 and 1993.

They like to claim that their raids were for food - yet they actually slaughtered Serbian livestock and LEFT IT TO ROT.

They were ethnically cleansing Serbs and carrying out a scorched earth policy.

The Croats DID behead Serbs. They did kill them in gruesome fashion. Canadian UN soldiers witnessed this in the Medak Pocket.

Croats put Serb women in fires ALIVE. Canadian soldiers found the bodies of teenage Serb girls tied to chairs in the basement and burned. Their bodies were still hot enough to melt the body bags they were put in.

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Here is a Canadian soldier witness account to recovering bodies of Serb civilians the Croats killed during the Medak Pocket massacre in 1993. It shows that the Croats killed elderly women by shooting them from behind and that they killed teenaged girls and then burned their bodies, and so on:

...The UMO, Capt Kelly Brett, assembled his medics around the body bag that lay at my feet as I shone my light on the two bulky shapes covered in plastic. The Doc slowly opened the first bag to reveal what was left of a teenage girl. How he knew it to be female much less a teenager was beyond me. All I could see was a blackened corps laid out on its back with its arms outstretched and hands that were shaped like claws. The poignant odour of burnt flesh was starting to make me dizzy as the medics, after recording all the necessary info, put the tag in a plastic sleeve and tied it to a charred exposed rib as that was all that was left of what was supposed to be the torso. The Doc then moved over to the second bag and opened it. A pair of legs wearing black zip up boots; that was all I could distinguish! There was only a sloppy looking black mound of flesh where the hips should have been as well there was a woman’s purse at the top of the body bag. The Doc’s best guess was it was a female and so the tag was drawn up and placed in the bag. The medical crew closed up both bags, pulled off their rubber gloves, turned and walked away. I remain behind and prayed the Prayer of the Dead over the bodies and then I too turned and walked back to my bivi site in dark silence...

...The Team arrived back with the first of the days bodies; a sixty year old woman who had been shot, stabbed, roped and dragged around. The Doc and the Load team were visibly upset and disgusted with what they had seen. Granny Annie, as she became know, had been left in a field for a few days and when the Doc went to pull back her outer clothing looking for the cause of death his view was obstructed by the layers of maggots that were now covering the torso of the woman. She wrapped in hessian when they brought her in and when I hoped up into the back of the truck to pray over the body I was hit by the overwhelming stench of rotting flesh. The desire to wretch made praying somewhat difficult.

...The Team recovered a second body that afternoon and both were transported to the local morgue in Medak by last light. Three additional bodies had been discovered a number of miles away and were brought to Delta Company’s Headquarters location. Cpl Bracher and myself took over the ML a.k.a. the Meat Wagon from BDR Andy Grimmer, a.k.a. the Grim Reaper to recover the bodies. As we entered Delta Coy they came under sniper fire and we were forced to switch to blackout drive. We managed to find the bodies despite the confusion caused by the incoming fire but were left alone in a field in the dark with three dead bodies in various stages of decay. They were easy to locate by the intensity of their smell.

...The morning of the third day found us wadding knee deep in a flooded corn field standing before a mound of dirt that had been marked with a cross. With the water some of the sod had shifted to expose a hand just below the surface of the water. Myself, Cpl Bracher and one of the medics, MCpl Joe Lucas, shovels in hand, began slowly moving the sod away from the body trying not to muddy the water too much as we were not sure of exactly how the body was positioned. As soon as we disturb the water a horrendous smell oozed its way out of the water almost like a rising cloud of gas. This smell of death was also strongly mixed with that of human faeces. As we slowly uncovered the corps of an old women it became apparent that we were going to have to try to lift her out of the water without damaging any possible evidence. Each of us grabbed a section of corps, desperately hoping not to make contact with its skin. As we pulled the corps out of the shallow grave and laid it on the ground I could feel the putrid smelling water running down the front of my shirt. The Doc asked if we could search around the submerged grave for further evidence. The three of us returned to the water and hesitantly began searching the murky water with our hands. We discovered a purse and wallet. On my second plunge I pulled up a mock fur coat. As I held it up I could see the bullet holes through the back of it. The Doc mean while had pulled away of the clothing to expose the bullet wounds to the woman’s back. She was obviously fairly old, easily someone’s grandmother, was shot several times in the back with high velocity rounds.

...As we were heading back to our jeep a patrol from Recce stopped us to say they had just discovered a body. Capt Allen and I move to the scene. We dispatched Recce back to their patrol, called for the Team and then remained there with the body.

The body was that of an older man and he lay face down with his arms tucked under him. He was obviously in hurry dressing for he had on two pair of pants and was only wearing slippers on his feet. He had bullet holes running upward from the rear of his left leg to the top of his head, which was missing, and was surrounded by dozens of empty shell casings.

When the team arrived so did the media and they were attempting to take pictures of the body. It was somewhat disturbing to watch the media attempt to break through our lines like a pack of drooling dogs to sneak an illegal picture or two. Though it was rather amusing to see that when they saw what we were trying to protect them from a number of them became very white and were sick. “Every human being deserves dignity no matter what status of being one find oneself in and those who destroy that dignity…” Oscar Wild, 1897.

Late on the fourth day a leg was dug up by C/S 4 as they were digging a trench line. We were called in to investigate as it was suspected that there was a mass grave on this site. Once on site we decided to cordon off the area and continue with further digging the next morning as we were running out of day light. Before we left I gathered up the severed leg on a shovel and returned it to the whole.

http://www.canadianptsd.com/killing%20fields%20of%20the%20medak%20pocket.html

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that is so shallow and ignorat, blatanlty denying croats decapatating and crimes

do you really think all croats were noble

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im sorry, honestly, would you care to elborate on that post, i dont understand what you mean

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