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This film was absolute horseshyte! As an afrolatina, Rosie Perez should be ASHAMED of herself for starring in this blasphemous piece of trash. The makers of this film had the sheer AUDACITY to make the ancient religion of Ocha, better known as Santeria into some "satanic" cult that performs human sacrifice! As an initiated priestess of Ogun, I found this film REPULSIVE and hope that anyone who has seen it does their research and learns that no one in Santeria supports human sacrifice FOR ANY REASON. We are not "demon worshippers" or "witches." Ocha is a very early faith which was brought to the shores of the Caribbean and South America by Nigerian slaves. We have fought long and hard to keep our spirituality alive for HUNDREDS of years and at NO point in history have we EVER had anything to do with human sacrifice.

Rosie Perez is an Afro Puerto Rican from New York and should KNOW BETTER than to insult and embarass our people with this type of nonsense. Shame on you, Rosie! NO WONDER your career has been in the toilet for years when you bring shame to our orishas in this manner!

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Well said, Angela. I also loke Rosie perez, and this film is just awesome. I have the original cut DVD-somewhere from Germany-i think. It also includes the soundtrack. The U.S. DVD is cut.

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I don't care WHAT you do or don't choose to associate yourself with- If you've chosen Christianity as your path in life then more power to you. But that doesn't somehow erase the historic ties between the African Traditional Religions and your own bloodline! Like it or not, your ancestors not only practiced these religions but managed to KEEP THEM ALIVE under the guise of Catholicism for HUNDREDS of years. Don't YOU dare label my faith as 'brujeria' when you clearly don't have ANY firsthand knowledge of the religion in the first place. Keep your obvious self loathing to yourself and stick to the topic at hand, rather than adding insult to injury by further legitimizing the half truths and LIES that the media has so long portrayed about Santeria.

I think it's SHAMEFUL for an afro latina 'in this day and age' to be willing to make fun of and belittle the ancient customs of her own ancestors just because it doesn't fit into the 'white man's idea' of normality. Gosh, I guess in your case it turned out to be a 'good thing' that your ancestors were dragged to the Caribbean in chains and stripped of their cultural and religious traditions! Just think, if that had never happened, you'd know nothing of the white man's savior and would be just as "lost" as your average Santeria practioner.

And secondly, our relgion isn't "underground" because we are 'ashamed' of any of our 'blasephemous' beliefs. It has become part of our TRADITION to keep our beliefs quiet to avoid being OSTRACIZED by those who can't fathom anything other than traditional western beliefs.

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Because you CONTINUE to berate my religious beliefs and those of your own ancestors in your attempt to convince me that Christianity is a legitimate religion where as Yoruba belief is not. On top of THAT, you label "most people who practice Santeria as lowlives" and that ALONE makes your sorry ass unworthy of a continued discussion.

Don't try and tell ME about MY OWN beliefs and WHY we were FORCED to guise our religion under Catholicism. Being that I'm a long term practioner and crowned Iyalocha, don't you think I KNOW the history of my faith? Our religion was guised under that belief system by our slave ancestors who were FORCED to find a way to keep their religious traditions alive. If that makes us "not respectable" in your eyes, then so be it. Once again, aren't you just a lucky duck that the spaniards thought enough of your ancestors to rob them of their homeland, religion, and customs so that you could have the "benefit" of being a Christian! SHAME on those darn slaves for doing whatever they had to in order to keep their native customs alive! Blasphemy, I tell ya! <sarcasm>

BTW- Those spaniards who "taught" us all about Christianity were indeed WHITE MEN, you idiot. Crack open a book and stop embarassing yourself on your pathetic quest to discredit the religion of your ancestors. You not only made yourself look ignorant of our customs (sorry to break it to you, but you don't know JACK about Santeria OR Yoruba belief and btw, I practice TRADITIONAL Yoruba belief, not the Catholic blend you know as Santeria) but you make remarks that you would likely consider PREJUDICED if they were coming from the mouth of a white person. (such as calling us "ghetto lowlives" and people "with no class") I'm embarassed FOR you because of the things you've said.

I have nothing further to say to you- STAY AWAY from my pm box, with your pathetic cries for attention and say nothing further to me on this thread unless you don't mind your reply falling upon deaf ears. I pity you, I truly do.



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Your own words showed much better than I could just how IGNORANT you are on the subject, my dear. I have better things to do with my imdb time than argue with someone who already has their mind made up. If you were simply ignorant of our customs, that would be one thing, being ignorant on TOP of being HOSTILE and DEFAMATORY is quite another. If I were on here telling you that all Christians were "lowlives" and such, I'm sure you'd feel the same way. Frankly, you aren't worthy of conversation , being that you are far outmatched in intellect and subject knowledge. (I also find it amusing that you label we practioners of Yoruba belief as having "no class" but your entire reply is full of nothing but degradation and remarks that ONLY a "lowlife" would utter) I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who care what a pathetic soul like you has to say- I simply am not one of them.



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You seem to have forgotten about Adolfo Constanzo and what he did back in 80's. I'll refresh your memory; he skinned his victims alive and used them in his Santeria practice to help his drug running buddies evade the law among other things. This is an uncommon usage of this spirit worshiping religion but not unheard of. Most commonly it is animals that are used. They were always finding mutilated animals in the mountains around El Paso when I was there. I'm not making any claims here but they have been finding the bodies of women in the deserts around El Paso for years, no one seems to know what is really going on, but some believe it is linked to Santeria.

But more importantly, you seem to have only watched parts of the movie at best. The religion that Romeo was practicing was his own version of what he believed the Aztecs used. If you would have watched the whole movie you would have seen him pointing to the picture of the Aztec priest and saying that was him and then to the sacrifice on the alter and telling the boy that was his role.

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as being indicative of what is standard or accepted in our way of life. Those 'Christian' zealots who stand outside of abortion clinics and pump holes into physicians certainly aren't indicative of what the majority Christians believe in, are they?

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You still seemed to have missed it. The religion in question is only Santeria because that is what you think it looks like it's imitating. He is trying to mimic what he thinks the Aztecs did as far as sacrifices. I'll point out the fact again, he was pointing to the picture in the book of an Aztec priest sacrificing someone. Pointing to the sacrifice then telling the boy that was him, then indicating that he was the priest.

You must not have watched the whole movie or you are so blind with personal hatred that you missed that fact.





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to the practioners as "Santeros." That's enough for me to connect it with Santeria, my friend. Just another Hollywood fabrication of an ancient faith's customs.

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If it was based on a true story, is it really a fabrication? I don't think that this movie was making a commentary on Santeria itself, only that what this particular man took part in he THOUGHT to be Santeria. There are people of every religion who practice their own twisted version of it. This movie happens to be about one of those people.

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just changing "Chrisitanism" with "Santeria".

Repeat after me...

It.is.only.a.movie.

No better than the many uses and abuses of other religions in movies... enjoy it as it is. I did love the film.

"You meet a better class of people in pubs."

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No es para tanto, remember, it's just a film...

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There is some confusion within the film itself over what religion is being practised in the film. Despite Romeo refering to Perdita as his 'Santeria High Priestess' in the film the actual rites seemed to me more similar to Palo Mayombe which is a separate religion that pratices black magic. Through further reading I discovered other similar religions that such as Abaqua and Brujeria, this latter one uses elements of Aztec religious rites, especially human sacrifice which would tie in with Romeo's discussion with Duane in the film when he descibes how he will die.

And Barry Giffords book (that I'm re-reading at the moment) that the film is based on refers to both Santeria and Palo Mayombe, so who knows which religion is actually being portayed in the book and the film!

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