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Atrocities watered down?


Of course the atrocities in most war related films have been watered down! Otherwise the audience would be so revolted they'd bolt from the theatre in droves! (Probably "puking their guts out" all the way up the aisle!)

None of us who were born post 1945 can ever truly imagine the pure hell of those who have been incarcerated in WWII prisoner of war and/or concentration camps. There is no way the pure EVIL can be totally displayed... even the more realistic of films, Paradise Road included, CAN NOT depict 1/10th of the actual conditions, or of the suffering, belittlement, fear, misery, despair, or torment of those imprisoned.

The men who liberated the camps in Germany and Poland and witnessed the aftermath of years of Nazi genocide, hatred and torture continued to say years afterward that the films we, the public saw, could NEVER adequately portray the horror they witnessed first hand. That being the case, they only saw the aftermath ... the day to day life within any of these camps was so horrific it would be impossible to show the full extent of the atrocities.



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i was just reading something about betty jeffreys who was an australian nurse on 'paradise road' (i think they must have changed all the names for the movie). it was her journal, 'white coolies', that alot of the movie was based on. she said that she was dissapointed because the movie strayed too much from actual events but she also said she understood why and that was because any more detail closer to the truth would never be allowed into movie theatres. (e.g. the massacre at bangka island wasn't included in the movie).

reading about and seeing some of the things the japanese did made me sick to the stomach. we're so lucky to live in this day and age. i hope nothing like this ever happens again.. war is so futile. we can only make sure that we are thankful to those that went thru all that to protect our countries.

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Better check the news. Preferably in countries with a free press. Atrocities are happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, Guantamo Bay and Palestine. Newsflash! Here's something really different. The "good guys" (United States and Israel) are doing the torturing!

Whoa.

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I fully agree with you (apart from one nuance - the torture comes from every nation, now, but some absolutely do more than their share). People need to realize that while the horrors or past wars are absolutely undescribable, there are still things exactly like that happening today, every minute, every second. Thousands of people are getting killed, tortured, destroyed. It's not a thing of the past, it's the present. We are still living in that age of horror, even though most people don't realize it.

And that's coming from an historian specializing in the 20th century and the WWs, so I fully understand what horrors those entail.

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i agree war is futile. i just think it's stupid!!!! i'm one of those people who thinks you should talk not fight!i loved the movie

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The reason atrocities have to be watered down is very little to do with the nature of war per se but is entirely to do with the nature of Hollywood studio film which aim for soap drama effect. The modern audience are used to seeing atrocities or gore on silver screen. The opening battle scence of Saving Private Ryan was a fairly realistic representation of actual battle. Plus, it had an added advantage of not getting in the way of good (hollywood) story telling.

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One of the Australian nurses in this camp was the sole survivor of a group of 21 Australian nurses who were marched out to sea and shot in the back with a machine gun by the Japanese.

This does not appear in the movie primarily because it would have occurred at the beginning of the film, and anything after that would have been anti-climactic.

The scene of the woman being incinerated and the girl forced to crouch around spears also did not happen at this particular camp. Nurses who were there primarily report beatings and sexual predation as the biggest crimes of the Japanese - along with the fact that they starved all the women to death.

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I agree that no film can ever portray the horror of POW camps, because it's something that has to be experienced to be fully felt.

Many movies do a great job at that, still. But somehow I think it's probably better to water it down a little, even though maybe it doesn't do the victims as much justice as it should, but when I think that even the soldiers who liberated the camps suffered so severly with that they saw and were for that traumatized and scarred for life, I understand that's not the feeling most POW films tries to convey to the audiences in the end. I suppose they try to focus on anti-war messages instead, so that the horror doesn't distract the audience away from the deeper philosophical matters that go with the experience. Maybe if we were shown those horrors in their full intensity we would leave the theatre feeling more hate than anti-war, and that would be conter-productive.

In my opinion I'd rather leave the full horror in detail to the documentary genre instead.
I'll never forget this example that really got under my skin. The example is a documantary called KZ, the subject in this case is the Holocaust; Sure there are many unforgettable Holocaust films but no such film could ever have prepared me for the cruelty of reality I saw in a documentary called "KZ" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492469/). Nothing I ever saw has shaken me so much as that documentary to the point that it's been maybe years since I've see it and I still think about it sometimes, and when I remember what I saw it still stops me in my tracks, whatever I'm doing. It's like a wake up call to how violent and cruel people can be, and that film didn't need a drop of blood to make its mark.
I would recommend KZ to anyone, were it not that only those with a very strong stomach might be able to stand it. It's simply a masterpiece of documentary film, so moving it will leave anyone numb, you will think of nothing more right after you watch it and that feeling will endure, you will feel stunned, speechless and horrified and ultimately heartbroken at the cruelty people are capable of.
That's a good example of a subject that is watered down in movies to their own benefit and the audience's sensitivity, which I think is a good option in that it opens up the film to accommodate a wider audience, and then someone who is also interested in seeing the full graphic extent of the atrocities can turn to documentaries, knowing that's probably to be expected there.


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