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To the fans of this movie, why sit through this?


I just finished watching a 3-minute clip from YouTube titled "Ray's Jealousy" and was cringing by the end.

Sure, it's realistic. But watching him repeatedly kick his wife and call her a *c&&&* I was thinking why would a movie-goer pay money to view scenes like this?

Seeing 3 minutes of Ray's abusing his wife is like watching graphic footage of a puppy being run over by a car. They both happen in real life, but why subject yourself to viewing it?

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Its worth a watch once, I wouldn't sit through it again. Good performances, especially Winstone.

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I bought this movie to add to my own collection and watch it probably once a year. The acting is great and I like gritty realism that grabs you and leaves you feeling like you've been punched in the stomach. However, that being said, I could never watch a puppy being run over by a car because I love animals.

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Because it's raw and gritty.

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because as someone from the east end of the London, who as experianced some elements of the movie, its true to life, I have knowned people like Ray who think there nutters but there nothing, people like the druggie son who there mothers love no matter what, I know mates who talk in telephone numbers!! ( talk in money who have none) I live in the east end

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because as someone from the east end of the London, who as experianced some elements of the movie, its true to life, I have knowned people like Ray who think there nutters but there nothing, people like the druggie son who there mothers love no matter what, I know mates who talk in telephone numbers!! ( talk in money who have none) I live in the east end


Would someone please translate this to English, please?

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I can it type again for you mate, Make it a lot easier for your simple mind to make sense out of it or at least your arrogant attitude to make sense of it at the very least, O yeah in the words of ray in this film *beep* best describe people like you on the internet coward faceless people who think there better then others

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I can it type again for you mate, Make it a lot easier for your simple mind to make sense out of it or at least your arrogant attitude to make sense of it at the very least, O yeah in the words of ray in this film *beep* best describe people like you on the internet coward faceless people who think there better then others


Could someone please translate this to English, please?

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Your an idiot Snes4u

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You're a *beep*

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I personally thought LondonLad's reply was clear enough, and that he gave a compelling reason for having enjoyed the film; however, since I am an editor/proofreader by trade, and bored out of my mind, I'll jump in and help (nearly a year after everyone involved has stopped caring). I've translated this into American "English," as I suspect snes4u is a Yank. He has the typical arrogance, along with an inexplicable pride in his unwillingness to learn or accept turns of phrase from other cultures and/or parts of the world.

Q: Why sit through this?

A: Because, as someone from London's East End, who has experienced some of the things depicted in the film, I know that the film is true to life. I've known these people: people like Ray, who think they are bad-ass but are really nothing at all, people like the druggie son (and the mothers of children like him, who will go on loving their kids, no matter what they put them through). I also have friends who talk in telephone numbers!! I live in the east end.


While I lived in England as a child and teen, and can usually handle Brit-speak fairly well, I wasn't sure how to incorporate the parenthetical near the end - but I think that is mostly because I haven't seen the film yet and don't know the context of "talking in telephone numbers" so don't know how it is connected to "those who have no money speaking in financial terms," (which I think is what he was saying in the parenthetical).

Anyway, no one will care, but I wanted to try to "build bridges..." or something. Okay, no. I just really didn't want to edit yet another legal article. This was more fun. On a parting note, it's always good to remember that "educated" isn't the same as "intelligent." There are folks to whom grammar skills are not a huge priority but who have buckets of good sense and wisdom, and many people with advanced degrees who can barely manage to get their shoes tied in the morning.

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HaplessFan, you are a nice person.

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I should have been nicer. It was wrong for me to imply arrogance on your part. People with the experience of having lived in both countries can forget that, for all their similarities, British and American English - especially when dealing with regional dialects - are really entirely different languages (just similar enough to get an unwary traveler into real trouble!!).

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Hello Hapeless Fan, Thanks for a good reply.. The context of the saying "Talking in telephone numbers" means there are people who like to lie or to put a spin on there lives to make them feel better, mainly there income.

That's what the characters like Ray and his mate are like, Especially when they telling stories of there past..

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You are taking it out of context, that scene you mention is the worst of the very few moments of violence in the film. The film is a hyper real depiction of a group of people and is brilliantly constructed cinematically. The average Hollywood action film has way more violence.

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Thanks for the explanation. I think I'll give the film a shot, then, the next time it appears on cable TV.

I have a feeling, though, that even if I ended up liking "Nil by Mouth" quite a bit, it might be one of those films like "City of God", that are so powerful that one viewing is more than enough

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I started watching the movie last night and got about 30 minutes in before I turned it off. Now I'm not saying I necessarily disliked it, and there were lots of things about it that I liked. Ray Winstone is the man, and his performance was pretty incredible, and I usually enjoy movies like this. Admittedly, one issue was that I had a hard time understandig the dialogue. I pretty much never have a problem understandnig English accents in movies, but this was particularly difficult for me.

But really what made me stop watching was the fact that there didn't seem to be much of a plot, rather it seemed just like a window into the life of these people. Now I see the value in that, but its tough to sit through that much emotional brutality without some kind of driving force behind the story. That being said, I am planning on finishing it, but I'm really going to have to be in the right mood.

On a side note, does the film develop much of a plot?


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"Sure, we may not be proud of it, but isn't that something everyone does? Everyone where I live does. And it's horrible, sure. But then, so is drinking milk which is over a month expired...and we certainly do that as well.

Different people show love in different ways. And for most, it's the manner illustrated above."

You are joking, right?

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"Different people show love in different ways. And for most, it's the manner illustrated above."

Perfectly surmised. Yes, this is a very difficult film to watch. I still remember the feelings it inspired when I watched it many years go of hopelessness, dread, and severe depression. However this is why I choose to watch film depections of horrible things on occasion, it evokes emotional responses and these things happen in real life, not in my safe sheltered one, but in others' much less fortunate so I feel the least I can do is try to empathize by watching.

Another great example of how people express love in an odd or twisted manner is the South Korean film "Breathless" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1373120/. It is not nearly as dark or depressing and maybe has even more physical violence(not gore) but a masterpiece of the human condition. There has been a multitude of excellent films made in S.K. in the last decade and Breathless tops my list of favorites. Yes, even higher than the Vengeance Trilogy.

Thanks to Mr. Oldman for this film, I wonder if it is really based on his upbringing. That would explain how strongly realistic it feels I guess and if so I feel sorry for him.

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I wouldn't want to watch it out of context... but in the film, it's completely IN context.

From my perspective, it shows me anther side of life. By seeing it in a controlled display, the film can either teach you to avoid people like Ray, or offer hypotheses about how to treat them so they don't fall into the same traps as he does.

It's all psychology. It makes about as much sense as asking why people want to learn about others. In learning about others, you can begin to understand yourself. It's the human condition.






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Because if you've ever lived with someone like Ray, it is very healing to know you aren't the only one.

I am very grateful to Gary Oldman for making this film. It changed my life.

I think everyone should see it.

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