Ice Bullet ???


Is such a thing possible ... and one that could kill someone?

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The show Myth Busters proved the "Ice bullet" is a myth, the ice will evaporate before it leaves the barrell.

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that assumes a gunpowder or heat based propellant, you could use an ice bullet if you used a gun more like a paintball gun which uses cooled carbon dioxide as a propellant and actually cools the gun as it is used

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But would such a propellant be lethal at five-hundred yards?

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"The show Myth Busters proved the "Ice bullet" is a myth, the ice will evaporate before it leaves the barrell. "


Myth Busters is utter CRAP. They reproduce controlled experiments that will of course, fail.

C.I.A. had an ice bullet that could penetrate the skin an induce myocardial infraction (simulating a heart attack).

Very likely that these were used consistently to eliminate people that could expose agency involvement in all manner of things. (primarily witnesses testifying to Committees and Political dignitaries).

They also had a cancer causing bioweapon that Mary Sherman was working on down in Louisiana (Tulane Medical School) during the late 60s...(to be used in attempt on Fidel Castro) it was shown on the Men Who killed Kennedy.

This was revealed in an episode of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"

(Judyth Vary Baker, a cancer-research specialist who was having an extramarital affair with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination. According to her claims (which seem to be substantiated by official records) Ms. Baker was working with Oswald, David Ferry and others, on a secret project to create cancerous compounds with which to poison Fidel Castro) (Final Chapter, ep.8 "The Love Affair", seg.4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNyprupDTU&feature=related



Dont buy into Myth Busters. Theyre the same idiots who tried to De-bunk the science of the Van Allen Belt, which made the "landing on the Moon" IMPOSSIBLE

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You're pulling our leg, right? Or do you really believe all this?

"Mythbusters" videotapes their experiments, and everything they do along the way beforehand. What proof do YOU offer?

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One thing I have noticed about the MYTHBUSTERS is how well they set up their experiments to "lead down the primrose path" and on to their (MYTHBUSTER's) conclusion.

On at least one occasion, they have publicly acknowledged they "didn't take everything into consideration", and downgraded their "BUSTED" conclusion. IMHO, they need at least a handfull more of those public "mea culpa's" for other experiments where they took a left turn right off the start, (one occasion), and others that were possibly only 90% correct.
In my younger readings about magicians, I discovered one very real truth:
"Just because you cannot do something, doesn't mean no one can do it!"

Obvious example: Put a man in a suitcase.
A six-foot tall man won't be able to fit in a suitcase, but one of the little people could do it, (or a child, throwing out the technicality that a child is not a man).
MYTHBUSTERS' methods would have the two guys (competitively) try to squeeze into a suitcase, then have the (smaller) redhead girl try, and also fail. The "distraction" is a magician's trick to cut off other lines of thinking, eliminating the possibility of using a little person, or a child.
What about other unlisted assumptions?
Sure they got a big suitcase, but was it the largest suitcase made, or ever made? Must the suitcase have rigid or hard sides, or can it have stretchy soft sides? See how that "obvious example" goes?


There are sometimes other ways to do things that could be considered "out of the box".
Since the merger/buyout involving COMCAST and TIME WARNER cable companies is in the news, I'll tell you about how TIME WARNER shed its "monopoly status" that required city council approval for rate and program changes, (in at least one growing city).
The law required 30% effective competition to remove the monopoly status, which would then allow them to make changes in rates any way they wanted, and at any time they chose, ("monopoly" limited to once per year). Evidently several satellite companies combined to just a few thousand subscribers less than the 30%, so someone at TIME WARNER decided on another means. They de-staffed their customer service offices, (probably by not hiring replacements at a rate needed to fill vacancies when staffers quit), and contracted/(hired) installers they had not used before. The latter caused more complaints to the lighter staffed service offices. Customer dis-satisfaction rose, and that caused less people to sign up, and more customers to leave out of frustration, (and I won't even start into the issues they started having with billings and collections). Within several months, the threshold of the legal 30% effective competition was crossed, and their monopoly status was permanently removed, as the law was written.
Next came their hiring of more customer service people, and a BIG marketing campaign to both get former customers back, and attract new customers.
See both the logic and the ethics involved?
BTW, does anyone (congress and regulators excluded that is) think their latest proposal to sell off some customers (to what will become a 67% controlled seperate company!!) to become less than 30% of the cable service provider in the USA is a coincidental percentage number?




As far as the conspiracy theories go, without proof, there are a LOT of possible tales that can be strung together, some of them perfectly possible, in addition to **the** real story.

One simple "conspiracy theory" that makes too much sense is how MYTHBUSTERS would not show something that would be an untraceable and/or undetectable weapon because the criminal elements (at least the normally less capable elements) would start using it/them.



BTW, the TV series BONES used a "blood bullet" in one of their episodes, breaking the assumption of an "ice bullet" as an undetectable/untraceable weapon...
Still an iffy proposition, but just sayin'

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That's the point, he was never suppose to kill his target he was a patsy from the very biggining.

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There really was an ice bullet, the CIA admitted it to the JFK house select committee.

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Hey folks,

I am not knowledgeable in cryogenic science, but I am fairly familiar with small arms ammunition and the production of same after more than fifty years of reloading pistol, rifle, and shotgun ammunition. In the case of bullets used in conventional metallic cartridges (pistol and rifle) that are fired via the use of smokeless gunpowder ignited by a primer, said bullets are propelled through the barrel by the expanding gas produced by the burning powder.

Accuracy of bullets depends on a number of different factors, but one of if not the most important factor is the fit of the bullet in the rifled barrel. The inside of the barrel is rifles with lands and grooves which twist along the length of the barrel. The twist of the rifling imparts spin to the bullet while in flight and increases accuracy dramatically compared to a smoothbore musket where the bullet sort of bounces along the inside of the barrel as it makes its way toward the muzzle. In the case of a rifle bullet, the bullet is designed to fit the inside of the barrel tightly as it travels on its way to the muzzle. The tightly fitting bullet is gripped by the lands of barrel as it travels toward the muzzle, and the lands impart the spin to the bullet that is so vital to accuracy.

Like I said earlier, I am not schooled in cryogenics, but I do not believe there is any way to freeze water in any manner that would insure it would fit the barrel's lands and grooves sufficiently to obtain the required spin imparted to conventional bullets made of lead or lead with copper jackets. If one made a bullet of ice, it would have to be the exact dimension for the lands and grooves of the barrel, and it would have to be loaded into the brass case in some facility that is kept at extremely low temperatures. Then it would have to be kept at an extremely low temperature until fired in the rifle. A bullet made of ice and kept that cold would be extremely brittle and likely to break before it could be chambered. If it would chamber and was fired in the rifle, the extreme heat of the expanding gas would shrink the frozen bullet and keep it from filling the lands and grooves. I suspect it would most likely melt before leaving the muzzle.

The concept makes for great drama, but I doubt it works in real life.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

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Pure ice would definitely be too brittle. Pykrete or something like it would be an interesting experiment, though.

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That's the point, he was never suppose to kill his target he was a patsy from the very begining.


Yes, he was set up to look like he killed the wife of the President.

The ice bullet would be a ploy by the real killers and should Dunn actually fire his weapon no second full metal jacketed bullet would be around to cause forensic problems.

If the ice bullet melted before leaving Dunn's sniper rifle then so much the better for the people framing Dunn for the hit.

Of course, the baddies could get the same end result if Dunn had been given a non-working gun or a blank cartridge to fire.

The ice bullet just makes the storyline appear more original than it really actually is for the movie. Heck, it gets posters commenting years later about a so-so movie.

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In fairness, Mythbusters has been wrong from time to time, like when they said it's impossible to shoot someone through the scope of their own rifle... even though this actually happened in real life in Vietnam.

But in this case, yeah, they're probably right. Might work in a pneumatic weapon though.

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I'm guessing the ice bullet thing was just for the movies. A sniper in real life is going to use a real bullet.

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