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The truth about the Resistance and the Aubracs.


Other contributors have remarked upon the unrealistically sunny scenes in this film, when,in fact, a sombre and darker France might have been more authentic. This, in a nutshell, is largely the essence of this movie, since it sets the whole story of the Aubracs and the French resistance in a wholesome and uplifting light that is quite undeserved. Lucie Aubrac's endorsement of the movie shown at it's end is hardly surprising, since it depicts both her and her husband as people that are so strikingly attractive, both physically and morally, that only a fool would NOT wish to endorse the movie. Much more important than that, though, is that the movie casts them as heroes, when a later investigation conducted by the French government showed that, even with the inevitable gloss put on the story by a government who would not wish to unduly tarnish some of it's few WW2 heroes , the Aubrac's had severely twisted the truth and over exagerated their roles, even to the extent that the full story is not only questionable, but that acts committed by the Aubrac's may well have been both treasonable and trecherous. The French resistance, supported hugely by the British in both financial and materiel aid, did accomplish much useful work that helped free France from German occupation, but notice me taken of the fact that, apart from the various branches of the Resistance regularly betraying both one another (both for political and personal gains )and British intelligence agents, the French police, the French Milice AND a vast proportion of the French population were either supportive or, at best, indifferent to their Grman occupiers.

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It has been said that 1 % of the French were resistants during the war, and another 1 % were collaborators. The rest of the population was trying to survive under very harsh conditions.
To say that a vast proportion of the French population was supportive of the German occupiers is simply not true. "Indifferent" is not an accurate word either. It's too easy to judge people when you are well-fed and comfortably sat in front of your computer.
That the French legal authorities had a shameful behavior during WW2 is alas correct. But on the the other hand, please remember that France ranks third at the Yad Vashem memorial for its high number of people who saved Jews during WW2 (a figure easy to check on numerous websites). The 3/4 of the Jews who lived in France were actually saved.
That the French resistance was hugely supported by the British is not correct either : it took actually quite a long time before London took the French resistance seriously. De Gaulle and Jean Moulin have had a hard time to make themselves heard.
Finally, Operation Overlord would never have been successful without the help and the support of the French Resistance.

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In "Is Paris Burning" liberators found bags upon piled bags of anonamous letters written to the Germans by the French. There was so much that the Germans didn't bother reading them as it would have taken all their time.

The French back stabbed each other over jobs, an apartment, spurned lovers, politics what have you. This whispering nonsense goes all the way back to the Bastille during the Revolution. Back then they were called "Letters of cachet."

So, if someone mad mouthed the Aubracs I would simply say everyone had someone denouncing them. It was a national pastime.

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For your information, the "lettres de cachet" were letters signed by the king of France, countersigned by one of his ministers, and closed with the royal seal (the "cachet"). They contained orders directly from the king, often to allow imprisonment without trial and without an opportunity of defense to imprisonment, confinement in a convent or a hospital, transportation to the colonies, or expulsion to another part of the realm of France. It was a sort of direct justice, when the king could decide without heeding the laws, and even contrary to the laws (that is say... absolutism at its best).
The "lettres de petit cachet", however, were signed simply by a secretary of state for the king; they bore merely the imprint of the king's privy seal, and were entirely exempt from the control of the chancellor. They were employed by the police in dealing with prostitutes, and on their authority lunatics were shut up in hospitals and sometimes in prisons. They were also often used by heads of families as a means of correction, for example, for protecting the family honor from the disorderly or criminal conduct of sons. In the XVIIIth century it is certain that the letters were often issued blank, i.e. without containing the name of the person against whom they were directed; the recipient, or mandatary, would fill in the name in order to make the letter effective.
The "lettres de cachet" were aptly abolished during the French Revolution by the Constituent Assembly as a symbol of monarchism and its abuses.

It seems to me that the connection between feudal direct justice and letters of denunciation sent by mail during WWII is a very loose one, don't you think?

But at least you are right about the fact that thousands of anonymous letters were sent during WWII, out of hatred, jealousy, pettiness, greed... you name it. In this country this activity was called a "national sport" (not a pastime ). Now, I remember a historian saying in a documentary about denouncement during the Nazi Occupation: "Had the people been aware of the consequences of their acts, I don't think they would have sent all those letters in the first place". As for me, I don't believe too much in human kindness, so I don't know to what extent this remark is true.
But were all the senders collaborators? Frankly, I don't know how to answer this question. Given that most of letters of denunciation dealt with petty family matters and not with the French Jews (that's why Nazi authorities didn't bother to read them all), I don't know how we should qualify their senders.
The other interesting thing would be to find out what was the situation in other occupied countries. Not to mention the dictatorships (fascist Italy, the USSR and Nazi Germany) where denouncement was an integral part of state policy.

I doubt that the French are a special kind from that point of view. See what happens these days with the WWW. There was never so much finger-pointing, bashing and denouncement before the creation of online networks. Anonymity does wonders.

If you care to read a little, here is an interesting document (not too long): http://historytodaymagazine.blogspot.com/2008/12/international-colloqu ium-sheds-new.html and more on the very same subject at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/3543112/Petty- disputes-led-to-Nazi-denunciation-in-WWII-France.html.
Henri-Georges Clouzot had captured the very essence of denouncement in his film "Le Corbeau", which was hated by both the Nazis and the French Resistance after the Liberation. If you like old movies, you should not miss this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035753/

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~~~~~The other interesting thing would be to find out what was the situation in other occupied countries. Not to mention the dictatorships (fascist Italy, the USSR and Nazi Germany) where denouncement was an integral part of state policy.~~~~~

France, Britain and the USA were empires (dictatorships) and also made use of denunciation.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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An empire (colonial or not) and a dictatorship are two different things.

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Ask all the colonials denied the vote. America barely became democratic in 1965, never mind 1939. Ask the Phlippinos.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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To deprive a part of the population of a country of its civil rights is one thing.
To face massive and daily brainwashing and terror for the whole population of a country (no matter who) is a different thing. When denouncement is part of the state policy and system, precisely.
Not that hard to understand.

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The Confederacy was proto-fascist and the post-reconstruction south was worse. Remember that paragon of liberal virtue Woodrow Wilson? Who brought Jim Crow to Washington, him or Mussolini?

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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No matter what, as long as you have freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution of your country (and when freedom of the media is indeed effective), you can't speak about a dictatorship. As noone is obliged to think according to the doxa of a given government.

So was France during the war with Algeria. An oppressive state for sure, with the denial of civil rights for a vast portion of the Muslim population of Algeria. But with a freedom of speech preserved. Hence the high number of opponents to the war, both in France and in Algeria.
(Speaking about what I know the best.)

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What did the Klan do to people who thought that they had freedom of speech? What happened in France when people tried to speak in favour of Algerian independence? Remember Aussaresses?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aubervilliers_passerelle_de_la_frate rnit%C3%A9_%26_plaque.JPG

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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1 - Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Klan is not the US government.
2 - Aussaresses was not for Algerian independence (unless you think that torturing Algerians is a way to show them sympathy for their struggles). Please check your facts.

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1.Neither were the squadristi or the blackshirts or the Shankill Butchers. Governments tolerated them though. Can you imagine a left-wing terror organisation being tolerated like them?

2. Ausseresses admitted torture against the Algerian nationalists ( a classic fascist [i.e liberal-when-the-going's-bad] practice).

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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1. Never heard about the Red Guards in Maoist China?

There is a gap between an ideology and its excesses (tolerated within a state or not) and a state system. "In contemporary usage, dictatorship refers to an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state. For some scholars, a dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed (similar to authoritarianism."
There are even dictatorships with no clear predominant ideology, that can not be called "leftist" or "rightist" (e.g. Myanmar).

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Exactly, just like bUShA. Haven't you noticed that 'liberal' states drop the facade of legalism faster than a campaign promise? Your legalistic definitions are all very well but who writes them? Liberals! That's right, the enlightenment paragons who found a principled ability to practice slavery.



Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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Sorry but I fail to see your point, and the connection with French Resistance.

Definitions in the dictionaries are usually written by linguists. And there are all types of linguists.

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You're using legalistic criteria and I'm using moralistic ones, that's why we're at cross-purposes.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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