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I just don't get it!?

posted 13 years ago by noirgirl
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Why would Gregory throw Bobby out, and not Ramon?? I can't believe that little creep was still in the house, and people were speaking to him! He was so malevolent from the beginning, bent on trouble. And later in the movie, he's back in the house, AND he's still scratching on Bobby's door, eww, and what kind of a guest is that? What an unregenerate little monster.

I really hate Ramon!

Although the shocked faces on Perry and Buzz were great in the kitchen scene!!

Maybe it was worth it to keep him there in order for Gregory to have the kitchens scene....nah, still should have booted him out into the fields the first night.

[–] mycalangelo 13 years ago

I just replied to that in the Bobby and Ramon thread. I too don't get that. I find it extremely hard to believe you'd let someone stay in your house that just hit on or slept with your lover.

[–] moviemarathoneverynight 13 years ago

Bobby went to his sister's funeral then came back. It might be an open relationship or it's not the first time Bobby cheated. I feel that Gregory is the jealous type while Bobby has the tendency to fool around. They don't seem to love each other as much as they want to and there's something in Ramon that Bobby can't find in Gregory but whatever that is, I also HATE Ramon. I'm so sorry for John because Ramon became closer to his friends. Ramon knows how to have fun and they like him but that doesn't mean they should disregard that he's seducing Bobby. He's not my type and everything he does makes me hate him. If only he placed his hand through the drain....

[–] noirgirl 13 years ago

I ,too, felt for John in a huge way. Always left behind, and the awful silence when he said "I just want you to like me" was just terrible. I never saw any reason to like Ramon at all.

[–] moviemarathoneverynight 13 years ago

John was sooo misunderstood! I wanted to cry when he said that and when he was narrating his first love.

RAMON

[–] artguylarry 13 years ago

I don't get that at all. I must have missed something that keeps getting past me because to me, John is completely loathesome. It's a shame that his former lover treated him the way he did. But everyone gets treated that way at some point in life (maybe not to those specifics, but they do). It's life, and nothing should permit a person to abuse his friends the way he abused his. He said it best himself when analyzing the "F-U" remark:

"I want to make you feel small and insignificant. I want to make you feel every terrible thing my entire life right up until this moment has made me feel."

When life treats you badly, you don't abuse your friends, you lean on them. I know someone like John. Someone like that doesn't WANT to be happy. They don't want to be loved. They constantly seek out misery and subsequently, blame those closest to them FOR it.

[–] puirt-a-beul 11 years ago

Sgrìobh noirgirl:

I ,too, felt for John in a huge way. Always left behind, and the awful silence when he said "I just want you to like me" was just terrible.

I agree, noirgirl. That was such a sad moment, a very human moment. I've known so many people like John — he wasn't bad, he was just perhaps out of step with other people. (Why did they even invite him if they didn't like or care about him?!)

But how they treated him in that moment of pleading was pretty cruel. If there was a disjunct between him and the rest of the group, it wasn't all John's fault. (Hah! Now I'm getting angry in his defence! )

Sgrìobh moviemarathoneverynight:

John was sooo misunderstood! I wanted to cry when he said that and when he was narrating his first love.

Me too, mmen. I think John's place in the script was to show that the others weren't all just lovey party-boys — they could also be snobbish, cruel and unkind.

Sgrìobh artguylarry:

I don't get that at all. I must have missed something that keeps getting past me because to me, John is completely loathesome. It's a shame that his former lover treated him the way he did. But everyone gets treated that way at some point in life (maybe not to those specifics, but they do). It's life, and nothing should permit a person to abuse his friends the way he abused his. He said it best himself when analyzing the "F-U" remark:

"I want to make you feel small and insignificant. I want to make you feel every terrible thing my entire life right up until this moment has made me feel."

Except that wasn't John saying that to the others, or Ramone; that was him saying what he thought constantly saying "F-U" to people was really saying. (Frankly, I think he was right.) It was only when everyone then treated him coldly that he said it for real.

When life treats you badly, you don't abuse your friends, you lean on them. I know someone like John. Someone like that doesn't WANT to be happy. They don't want to be loved. They constantly seek out misery and subsequently, blame those closest to them FOR it.

No-one wants to be unhappy. No-one. I know people like John as well; but I also notice that the people who have issues with the Johns of this world put a hell of a lot of energy into treating them in a patronising or passive-aggressive way, and then making a big issue of blaming them when they don't like it. In my experience, it's never, *ever* a one-way street.

And it's hard to lean on "friends" who are already saying, "It's all your own fault."

You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

[–] noirgirl 8 years ago

Even towards the end, the guys are heading to the the lake, and they say "John, we're going down to the lake". Like, "hey, John, keep an eye on the cat while we're gone." Not one of them said, "C'mon", come with us, etc." Just telling him where they were going, and again leaving him behind. So cruel.

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