Bacon was not British


Bacon was most definately Irish and not British.

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It is true that Bacon was born in Ireland, but as far as I know, his both parents were British, which makes quite rightly makes Bacon as British.

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he speaks the truth

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Born in Ireland but everything else about him was British. Oscar Wilde was more Irish than Bacon. As you may know, the Irish (both my parents are Irish so I am not being anti anything or anyone) will claim anyone as Irish even if that person only had a great grandparent that once thought about Ireland.

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The best bacon is Danish.

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According to the Passport Office. If you are born in England or you are born to English parents abroad, then return to England later on, you are English. I suppose this goes for the Welsh, Scotch and Irish too.

What ever his nationality, he was a complicated man.

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He was born in Ireland, he was Irish. End of discussion.

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So if I was born in japan, while my parents were on vacation, and say I spent the whole a a week there before the returned home with me and I never went back, I would still me japanese? That doesn't make any sense. I mean does it really matter on way of the other? It's not like that destroys the plot or anything.

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if your trying to suggest that the above artists chose to live abroad due to their "hatred" of ireland you are hugely incorrect, if james joyce had "hated" ireland then please tell me why he would be quoted as saying "when i die dublin will be written on my heart" please check your facts before making such a bold statement as Bacon and these other artists "hated" ireland and thats why they chose to live abroad, Ireland in the early and mid 20th century was practically a 2nd world country which unfortunately meant their was little room for art to flourish. you ignorant, ignorant person.

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I'm not quite sure what your point is with regard to Joyce, Wilde, Shaw & Samuel (not William) Beckett. This thread is about Bacon's nationality. Francis Bacon, the artist, is neither exclusively Irish nor English, but a product of both, among many other things. An Australian born man and an Irish born woman, born both to British parents gave birth to a son in Ireland. He grew up swapping between Ireland and England and as a grown man chooses London as he's home. At that time, for a homosexual artist, that's not exactly an unusual choice, both personally and professionaly.

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I was born in Thailand to one English and one Australian Parent. Am I Thai?

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"Liv Ullmann was born in Tokyo she's Swedish"

Actually, Liv Ullman is 100% Norwegian - not Swedish. But you are right, she was born in Tokyo.

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I have a friend who was born in the Gambia to British parents but she is British not Gambian !!

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OK Bacon wasn't born in Ireland and lived her for a week he lived here till he was 16 and yes he wasn't very fond of ireland but claims his feelings about Ireland had a large hand in shapping his artistic palette, also to the person who said the Irish will claim anyone as being Irish you got that the wrong way round, its people claiming to be irish coz they once owned an Irish setter or something.

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zenith2000 has a point! Look at the Yanks, they ALL 'think' their Irish, when often the only Irish relations in their family are 2 or 3 generations back, and often on only 1 side of the family.

I think only Bacon himself is the only person 'who' could have cleared this up. Are there any quotes of him commenting on whether he considered hmself Englsh? Home is where the heart is, which is why I myself am a Martian! :-P

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The dispute over which nation has "bragging rights" over as complicated a man as the painter (as opposed to the playwright) Bacon seems petty at best, but as the button I wear on St.Patrick's Day reads (my partner of 25 years is completely Irish on both sides of their family - I can only claim one great-grandmother, so it's a bit of a joke between us), "IRELAND: Gem of the BRITISH Isles."

But for tragically bad management verging on that applied to the 13 North American colonies driven to independence in the late 1700's, we'd hardly have an issue to discuss today.

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"IRELAND: Gem of the BRITISH Isles."



Say that off Kevin Street of a night and you're likely to get a slap in the face...

In relation to the OP's point: Bacon's parents were English so he most likely considered himself English too (especially since he moved there).


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fanx 4 the info

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Francis Bacon was born in 1909, in the City of Dublin, administrative center of the Province of Ireland, in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Ireland was partitioned in 1921. The six northeastern counties, which never wanted home rule, got it in the form of their own provincial parliament, prime minister, etc. This is now the Province of Northern Ireland.

The rest of Ireland became the Irish Free State, a dominion of the British Empire, that continued to recognise George V as Head of State; then, in 1936, Edward VIII and George VI.

The Irish Free State adopted a written constitution in 1937, which replaced the Governor General with a President and changed the name of the country to "Eire" - which still recognised George VI as King of Ireland.

Eire finally severed its ties with the British Empire and monarchy by passage of the Republic of Ireland Act in 1949. At the time, a dominion could not become a republic and remain within the Commonwealth. Less than a year later, however, in January 1950, that rule was changed so that the Dominion of India could become the Republic of India.

So, Francis Bacon was born a British Subject and died a British Subject. He also became, in the course of his life and in gradual succession, a citizen of the Irish Free State, of the dominion called Eire and, finally, of the republic called Eire. But he also remained a British Subject to the day he died; and his parents were not ethnic Irish but ethnic English.

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Most conclusive answer to anything, ever.

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So all of the Irish people born in the same era are English? His Daddy was born in Australia to a mixed couple. He was born in Ireland making him Irish. He lived in the UK and so do many Irish, this does not make them British. The English have a strange habit of cherry picking people from Ireland, especially artists, and calling them British. It has always being a source of amusement and I'm sure that it will continue to be in the future. Its very childish behaviour.

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When he was born, Ireland did not exist. So he could not have been born in Ireland.

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The new Irish state came into existence in 1922 (after 900 years of occupation by the English), but people have inhabited it since 8000 BC. You are confusing political states with countries. America always existed for example. It states on his birth cert that he was born in Ireland and he is therefore classified as Irish. His time in Ireland greatly influenced his art and he is on the record stating this. From the room that he was brought up in, to constant depictions of Catholicism in his paintings. Any person born in Ireland is classified as Irish. There are over 300 hundred thousand British people living in Ireland at the moment and when they have kids, they are Irish. Bacon was very fond of Ireland and donated his studio and all its contents to Ireland after his death.

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Ireland has existed since the last Ice Age. I think you mean the Republic of Ireland... which doesn't even comprise all of Ireland.
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Clearly when speaking about nationalities one speaks about nations and not land formations.

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Northern Ireland is also Irish...

Just as East Germany was German, and North Korea is Korean...

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Do people born in northern Ireland get Irish nationality or british nationality?

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They're eligible for both since the Good Friday agreement. This was the case informally before that as well. Citizens of the ROI can vote in all UK elections (including NI) and were eligible for welfare in the UK prior to the EU - if they have a UK address.

However Irish and Ireland still refer to both parts of the island. In soccer, the Irish Football Association is the governing body for NI for example. There is a single rugby team for both parts.

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I see. Things seem to be more complicated than they should.

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The real Bacon was British: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon

Your Irish Bacon was an imposter and came couple hundred years too late.

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All good Bacon is Danish.

It's that man again!!

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Purely out of idle interest......would you say Daniel Day Lewis was English or Irish?

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